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O Sh*t! How I accidentally became unemployed, and what I'm doing about it.

Discussion in 'Hustles, Freelancing, Bootstrapping' started by 404profound, Jul 10, 2018.

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    Hey Forum folk!

    I've been diligently building my product while working my full-time job... until yesterday.

    Yesterday I was asked to do something no moral man would allow himself to do: layoff colleagues. As a consultant, sometimes the depths of hell surface to rear their ugly face. Well, yesterday was that day for me. As an operations expert, I was tasked with identifying the teammates who contribute the least value to my team, and once identified inform them that they're laid off. I told the requester that that work exceeded my ethical boundaries, and that I was unwilling to do it. And so, not surprisingly I was the first one to go!

    While I am terrified, it feels good to have stood up for my morals. Alas, I am presented with a quite pressing challenge: sustaining income. While my project remains intact, I am now building a service firm doing the stuff I was just doing. I can only pray that I get a client in the next two months, or else my situation will get tight. A scary time indeed, but I will be resilient. Sharing my plight out of fear. Hopefully the boat will sail on in a few weeks!

    - Cheers
     
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    Ok no input then.

    You'll take a pat on the back and a 'good for you' though? :thumbsup:

    Dan
     
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    This is an interesting case. Obviously there is a time for firing people who aren't performing. Your feeling was that this was not your role since these were your colleagues and you were not officially in an oversight position?
     
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    hmm, perhaps I should not turn away input haha
     
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    It was not a case where anyone's performance was detrimental. The team budget got squeezed, and management enforced a performance distribution layoff. That's essentially forcing folks into a percentile regardless of whether or not they are doing their jobs well.
     
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    My only advice, pick up the phone and dial.

    Again. And again. And again.

    Then take a break and figure out how to do it better.

    Then do it again.
     
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    I like your advice, but dial who? Share as much info as you'd like, but I'm new to service sales so I'm looking for any guidepost really.
     
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    Gotcha. In that case, I respect your decision and wish you well on your new adventure!
     
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    If I have people on my team, and they need to go, even if its just from an operations standpoint and not performance based, they'll be gone. I've had to let a few people go. I've been laid off from a job in the past as well. It happens. You're an "operations expert" yet you cant lay down the hammer of that which is a layoff. You didn't save those people from losing their jobs, they're still going to.

    What happens when you get a client who wants you to come in and cull their team? Are you gonna say "WOAH, that's way out of my comfort zone."? No, you're going to get the job done because that's what has to be done.
     
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    Who is your ideal client? Figure out who they are, where they are, and what they eat for breakfast. Then dial.
     
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    Yes, you raised a few good points there. Perhaps I'm too soft for that line of work. Just didn't feel right - like I was betraying the people I work with on a daily basis.
     
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    If the company is squeezed, and you don't get rid of the least-performing, everyone will go down.
    Would you rather put 10 people out of a job that don't deserve to be unemployed, or 100 people?
     
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    I don't necessarily disagree with that logic. I do disagree with asking someone internal to the team to execute the command. If you were on my team and I laid you off, how would you respond? How would the rest of the team view me once that happened? I could not be trusted, and I would have a faction of disgruntled colleagues forming against me. Had I done that work, I would have dug my own grave regardless.
     
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    How is that morality?

    Maybe you disagree with the assessment of those people as being low performing. OK, that's fair. Maybe you believe that the team is better off with those low performers because the team is greater than the sum of its parts, and losing anyone would be a huge disservice to the team.

    Fair enough.

    But refusing to lay off people who are indeed low performing and don't contribute their fair share to the team? How does that have anything to do with morals? It sounds to me that it was just something that you didn't want to do for whatever reason, not due to some value.

    I don't mean to call you a coward. It just seems like you lack the willingness to deliver the killing blow... which is really not a good thing.
     
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    Were you truly a colleague? Or were you the team lead? Or supervisor?
    You said you were an Operations Specialist, were all the others?
    Somewhere there is a disconnect between what you saw your position as, and what management saw your position as.
     
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    Well it comes back to.. they weren't really poor performing. I agree that poor performers have no right to job security; they don't provide value commensurate with their cost. However, the folks in the crosshairs were all pretty strong performers. The only case against them is that they were relative low-performers to the rest of the team. They still did great work for the client, and were highly competent. I refuse to take out people genuinely devoting themselves to the team and doing what it takes to make the client happy. It seems some of you disagree with me, but that's my philosophy.
     
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    I am a six sigma black belt and operations specialist that was working with a large team on a client project. No supervisory role.
     
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    focus on getting a job?

    work on your product on the side as before, maybe you can find something better
     
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    Yea, unfortunately I am still beholden to the man. I really have to swallow my ego on this one.
     
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    So you're an operations expert, who's unwilling to identify and correct operational inefficiency by firing people? And you've been making money as a consultant? No wonder you were fired.

    If you think firing people is unethical, I'm not sure why you think this is an appropriate community for you. The position here is actually usually that you'd be doing those people a favor by firing them. If you'd gotten off your high horse, you'd have been in control of the firing, and could've done so in the most helpful way possible -- such as giving them understanding advice on what to do next. It's not like they didn't get fired because you didn't fire them. They're now going to get fired by someone who gives less of a sh*t about them. The whole idea that firing is unethical is nuts. Keeping someone employed where they don't generate value to the company is waste in both directions. Otherwise lets pay people to dig ditches while we pay others to refill it.

    There was no accident in this, you fired yourself.
     
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    First of all, unless you understand the intricacies of FMEA, monte carlo simulation, and/or mixed-model regression analysis, I suggest you reserve your critique of my technical qualifications. I have saved, and will continue to save my clients millions of dollars due to suboptimal processing conditions.

    Second of all, had you read any of the conversation instead of responding with the first neanderthal thought the plopped into your reptilian brain you would have had enough context to understand why, in fact, the folks being considered for termination were not waste. It was a forced performance distribution layoff, which means that even high performers get on the chopping block. It is a reflection of senior management's sh*tty accounting practices and inability to sustain hires. So before you attack me as having fired myself, why don't you get down off your pedestal and dig for more information. But I guess you're the kind of guy that likes to swing the axe on a guy when he's down.
     
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    Then it sounds like you didn't sell your view strong enough, which caused you to lose your job. What have you learned from this?
     
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    I'm curious to how you fastlaners would respond to a client who wants you to perform something outside your normal consulting duties or if they wanted you to do something unpleasant.

    Charge more money?

    Tell them that it means renegotiating your contract?

    Something else?
     
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    Charge more money.
    This is why accountants have engagement letters. We clearly define what we will and will not do for the price we give you, and then we tell you that we'll bill you extra if you ask us to do something outside that scope.
    I'm more lax than most, but even I draw the line occasionally.
     
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    1. Print out Resume copies
    2. Buy large box of Krispy Kremes
    3. Head to your nearest Recruitment Agency relevant to your line of work
    4. Let the vultures swarm you as you hand out your resume to each recruiter
    If you're building a physical product its going to take cash to get started
     

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