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To respond to your comments:
1. All of those charities you mentioned are great causes. My idea is not necessarily to partner with specific charities, but allow the members, as a community, to decide which charities to support. I figure this will occur around the various prize levels as well. The first prize level will occur at 1000 members, then 10,000, etc. This will all be in the FAQ of the website when it is loaded there.

2. Absolutely that section is weak. It hasn't been edited yet. I sent the info for that section to Tom at Apto last night along with text for FAQ. Eventually, I will know how to edit that section myself and can make changes quickly. When I started this, I had essentially zero technical knowledge. Right now, I am still on the steep part of the learning curve.

3. If you have any ideas for another slogan, great. I didn't even have that idea. The guys at Apto came up with the penguin and the slogan. I just had the idea for the site and the plan. I'm not all that artistic. I do think the penguin looks cool though.


This is strictly opinion but I think you need to make a choice on the charities, up front. This, as I understand it, will be one of the key factors, which sells your customer base and gets them excited to sign up. An opportunity to support an organization, which resonates with me, might help inspire me to sign up. Seeing a comment that I will get to vote - sometime down the road - as to which organization gets funding is less concrete and, to me, less exciting.

The cash prize drawing is already out in the future. Would be great if you could give users some part of the eqaution NOW.... too many people operate in the now - instant gratification, etc.

I think Yankees may be on to something here.... give the users a chioce of a few organizations. Perhaps, it could even be part of their profile..... like an icon, which would show up next to their avatar, or whatever that looks like. This might even create a bond between certain users. I would go with broad, wide reaching, organizations. Seeing as it is the hot trend right now, I would make sure to add something GREEN to your list.

Merkin is absolutely right. You need to know your target demographic. It doesn't matter that you are not creative.....all you need to know how to do is ask questions. Survey your focus group. Ask everyone you meet who fits your demographic profile (perhaps start a new thread here and ask).

It is not enough to just come up with the concept and then put it into other people's hands. It's your baby and no one will care about it as much as you do. Not suggesting you learn code...... just that you really start talking to people in your target market......the ideas will come.
 
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OK, so here is the deal:

The new website is Pleben.com. It will be ready to "go live" on or about Feb 5th which is one month prior to anticipated. It is a social network which will have a unique business model. First of all, it is subscription based and priced at $25 per year. This will do several things:
1. It will allow revenue to be made from day #1. I won't have to find creative ways to create revenue like selling out users or marketing to them.
2. It will allow Pleben.com to be totally ad-free. I have been to many websites recently where there are so many ads that the content is difficult to find.
3. It will encourage serious social networkers. It is unlikely that people will just sign up to have an account and let it languish. This will likely keep the network smaller but more engaging.
4. Maybe security will be enhanced? Will an internet stalker want to spend money and create a paper trail when there are other free possibilities? Maybe.

My plans with the site are to encourage positive growth and development of the members while having fun. Twenty percent of revenues will be used for philanthropic purposes. Twenty percent of revenues will be used for sweepstakes like prizes (no purchase necessary). When the site hits one million subscribers, I plan to begin giving away $1 million prizes. Also, if there is ever a large investment of $50 million or greater (or an IPO), then half of that money will be used for prizes to reward the subscribers who created the content and made the site valuable in the first place.

Further, I am estimating that 20% will be used for marketing and research toward new business opportunities, 20% for website enhancements and maintenance, with 20% left over for taxes/profits. Right now, I will not take a salary but am seeking to grow the site and create some buzz. If anyone wants to go play around on the site, feel free. There is no cost yet until Feb 5th. Don't spend a lot of time making a profile because I will end up deleting it when the 5th comes. I will even be paying for my own subscription as well as my two teenage daughters.

Finally, if anyone is interested in becoming an associate/moderator, PM me. I am looking for one individual from each of the 50 states as well as the provinces of Canada. Plus, I would be interested in having one person from each country (I see Mr K is from New Zealand). Again, if interested, PM me, and I will give some details as to what I would be looking for from you and what is in it for you.

I cannot say enough good things about Tom at aptohosting.com. I would encourage anyone who might be considering something web-based to give him a call and see what he can do for you. Check out Pleben.com to see his work. I would appreciate any comments or questions that anyone might have. Thank you for your time and thank you MJ for allowing me to post.:thankyousign:
 
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I just checked Apto's domain checker.... I would register foodservicesalesmen immediately. Redirect.
 

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Allthingz,
You did not miss it. All of the text has not been completed yet. Absolutely, the cost will be spelled out. I also suspect the text for the FAQ has not been loaded yet since Apto is still working on some of the other coding issues.

Mtnman,
Don't know what to say since it has always loaded fine for me as well. Sorry
 

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Merkin,
Do I think people will be willing? Yes, I believe some will. I believe some will pay for the opportunity to win prizes. While you are correct, the average user will be unlikely to win big money, the odds are much better than any other type of prize or even lottery.

I can certainly poll. My question for you is what do you want for your $25 subscription? Personally, I am at a loss to determine what I could offer, but my perspective is limited.

Two things...

1. I don't see the connection between a MySpace type of website and a pay website whose biggest draw is the chance to win prizes. Its as if the two ideas are at the opposite ends of the internet. My opinion is that people who will pay $25 for the chance to win prizes are highly unlikely to be positive contributors to your community. And you said you want a community of serious networkers - I don't see how this type of website attracts those types. Unless the money is the more important issue to you.

Plus, didn't you say that the big money won't be given away until you have 1 million subscribers? What types of payouts can subscribers expect in the mean time?

2. As far as what I want for a $25 subscription, I can't say. What I can say is that I have never paid a subscription to belong to anything online. There are simply too many free websites available to make opening my wallet an option. If I were the hope-to-win-prizes type, I would probably just stay on MySpace and buy a $1 lottery ticket every so often. Maybe that's just me, though.

I really think you need to offer something more UNIQUE to your subscribers. What it is I don't know. Maybe you need to narrow the scope of your demographic and make it a paid website dedicated to a particular field, where you're selling a membership into a community that not everyone qualifies for, or along those lines.

Instead of the main incentive for joining being the chance to win prizes, maybe with all the revenue from memberships you coordinate conventions where people can get together, meet in person and possibly even have guest speakers. That I might pay to join.
 
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Merkin,
I understand your position and have wondered myself at some of the issues you raise, specifically whether I can truly attract a group of serious networkers.

Also, I am not sure exactly what I would do to make it more unique. I do know that I am learning alot and having fun doing it. This is definitely a work in progress. Worst case scenario is that nobody at all joins and I am out the cost to develop the site and some hosting expenses. But I still learned a ton and will be able to make a better go of it the next time.

Regardless, I am happy to share my experiences and appreciate your honest opinion and the respectful way in which you make your points.

I am adding speed to phlgirl for a good idea and merkin for his respectful discussion.
 

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I have been working with Tom at aptohosting.com to create a new website. I am not sure how much detail I can provide without violating the spirit and rules of this forum, since it is a commercial venture. I will say that I am looking for people who might be interested in helping to advance this venture. If you might be interested, PM me.

What I can definitely say is that the work and service I have received from Tom Cruz at aptohosting.com has been incredible. I came to them with an idea, and they ran with it. If I have MJs permission, I would be happy to provide more details but will refrain until I hear more. I would recommend Tom and Apto. I don't know how they compare on price but I can say that what I got was worth it.
 
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Re: New Website

Please do provide more details -- its great to see people putting their ideas to action!!
 

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Yes please do post. the website itself will show his work!
 

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Thank You for your invitation to Pleben.com. The Site has a very nice fresh clean feel to it. The concept is understandable. I am curious as to how you determined the fee for registration. In addition, a considerable amount of Marketing will be required to achieve a successful launch. What are your plans with respect to this aspect of the Business?
 

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Think,
The price was basically just picked out of the air. I think it is enough that it is worth the effort but not enough that it is out of reach of many people currently on social network sites. As to marketing, that will be the most difficult aspect since I am bootstrapping it. I want to get some revenue before I spend a ton. Currently, I am having business cards made with the penguin on the right side and the name of the site with words saying "A place for chillin' where you can win a million".

The other part of the current marketing plan is to generate some sort of buzz. I would like to do some of this using the associates/moderators the details of which I will reserve for those interested. I have also seen some info about article site (including threads on this forum) and will look into that avenue as well. If you have any brilliant, low-cost, ideas feel free to share.
 
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I don't see anywhere on the site where it tells me it's $25 a year, maybe it's in the billing section after I start to sign up, but if I don't see how much, or even catch that there is a cost until after I've committed my info, I'm not a happy camper. I have not used other sites that have done that for that very reason.

Did I just miss it?

It is a nice looking site.
 

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Is pleben down for upgrades? It never actually loads.
 
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Site look really good. "clean" and not overcrowded. I like it....hope the venture works out for you and great job Tom & Apto!
 
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Allthingz,
You did not miss it. All of the text has not been completed yet. Absolutely, the cost will be spelled out. I also suspect the text for the FAQ has not been loaded yet since Apto is still working on some of the other coding issues.

My apologies. Good luck, it's a nice looking site.
 

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Site look really good. "clean" and not overcrowded. I like it....hope the venture works out for you and great job Tom & Apto!

Thank you and everyone else that had kind words about our work! We really appreciate the feedback and we will put the same effort forth for anyone else that needs help getting their website on the fast lane!!!

Thanks,
Tom C.
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The site does look great! It's going to be exciting to see how the site does.

BTW Tom, does the girl on your page who you have pictured for the "live support online" really work with you? If so is she single? :)
 

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The site does look great! It's going to be exciting to see how the site does.

BTW Tom, does the girl on your page who you have pictured for the "live support online" really work with you? If so is she single? :)


Haha unfortunately not!!! It cost me $8 to "buy" her from a picture stock site!!!!!!!

Tom C.
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Nice website! ;)

Good luck!! You should also think about donating $1M to TFLTM members Lol
 
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Kidgas, I agree with everyone that your site looks nice. Very interesting concept too. I have an idea that you might wanna use. Instead of marketing the subscription as $25 per year, you might wanna say less than $3 per month or something similar because people don't like big numbers especially money when it is out of their pocket.


Camski, your forum looks good. But when I clicked on one of the subforum, google ads banner expanded. Just wondering if you know about it.
 

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Kidgas,
I see you can accept members 13 years old and up.

I remember reading an article online about providing services to minors, but I can't find it again. I think it was in relation to virtual worlds, but it still applicable.
The closest I could find was:
http://www.e-consultancy.com/news-b...ust-do-more-to-protect-thier-child-users.html

How are you addressing this issue?
I appreciate young kids are into the social networking sites and can form a large part of the membership, but are you asking for trouble, even with the $25 barrier?

regards.
 

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Kidgas,

Do you think you should see that site with members before it went live? It would suck to have someone sign up and see like 5 other people there only. I was thinking that before you went live you should give members of the fastlane free membership in return for creating quality profiles.

I'm not saying this for a freebie, but if I went to the site and clicked around and didn't see anything, I wouldn't sign up.

I also agree with the above post that pricing should be broken down to the monthly rate so it looks cheaper. $1.99/mo sounds good especially if you give away a $250 prize at the end of February.
 
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To answer the various questions:
1. Pleben comes from the Latin plebe with an -n (like American) so it does have to do with common people. The idea is that the site will be giving back to common folk through charitable contributions and the possibility of winning cash prizes. 50% of the big payday will go to cash prizes for the common folk. So if Microsoft makes a $250 million investment, 125 $1m prizes will be handed out.
2. I know about the big number issue...on the home page will read, "for less than 7 cents a day"
3. The subscription is intended to be a barrier albeit a soft one. Ideally, parental permission will have to be granted. Of course, dishonest people will try to skirt the system. Thank you for the link...I will read it later this am.
4. Populating the system will come from associate/moderator for the different geographic locales (states, provinces, or countries). They will have to pay but can earn a commission. So I will be giving back to those who make good quality content. That will be the only layer to get it started. It will not be MLM. If you are interested in becoming an associate/moderator, you can PM me.

Thanks for all the feedback.
 

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Kidgas:

I love this idea, and I am eager to see you succeed with it. I think there is loads of potential here.

How do you plan on selling people on paying a subscription fee to something that they could get for free through other venues - Myspace, Facebook, the Fastlane...?
 

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Merkin,
The selling points are:
1. Totally ad-free. I will not exploit your info to merchandise you.
2. Heart strings. 20% of revenue goes to charity. And if that doesn't get you...
3. Prizes. 20% of revenues go to sweepstakes type prizes (no purchase necessary). First contest is for $1000 (there will be more than one) when Pleben.com hits 1000 members. When we hit 1 million members, I will give away $1 million prizes (between 3 and 5 of them for each 1 million members). So your odds of winning $1 million becomes 1 out of about 250,000. Compare to McDonalds monopoly 1 out of 180 million or eg the Hoosier lottery 1 out of 12 million to win the Jackpot.

If neither of these 3 get them, they can stay with the free sites and enjoy the ads.
 
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3. It will encourage serious social networkers. It is unlikely that people will just sign up to have an account and let it languish. This will likely keep the network smaller but more engaging

I think I may be a little confused, then. It would seem that the subscribers you are looking for in “serious social networkers” would be in direct contrast to people whose main perk in signing up is a 1/250,000 chance at winning money. Besides no ads and feeling good about charity, what else is in it for the subscriber?

Have you stopped to ask yourself if you were to stumble upon a website like the one you created if you would sign up and purchase a membership?

I apologize if it seems I am cutting your idea apart – that isn’t my intention, and again, I am sorry if it comes off that way.
 

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If neither of these 3 get them, they can stay with the free sites and enjoy the ads.

You may not have intended this the way that I read it.....but this does not sound like a very good attitude. You are now in the business of serving people - better start thinking that way.

I really like the concept you have come up with here. Everyone loves a chance to win $$$.

My problem upon first visiting your site is that I did not get a good understanding of the concept right off the bat. Aside from the comments off to the right - odds of winning/odds of giving - I did not see any indication of my potential to win a prize. I would expect to be hit in the face with 'WIN $$$' because that is what would get me excited. Would be great if you could aslo indicate When the first chance to win would be.

Perhaps you want to add that slogan you mentioned.... Chillin and Winnin.... right at the top, in the header?

Also, people who are interested in the chartitable side of things are going to want to know where the $$ is going. I feel very strongly about charitable giving but I also feel very strongly about where my dollars are spent (there is a whole separate thread about this somewhere).

Perhaps, you might want to partner up with one, or a few, specific charities. This would give your users a better feel AND you might be able to build up some synergy with those organizations - thus building your user base with some of their current supporters.

Of course, this is just my 2 cents.... I am certainly no web guru... but I am an extremely heavy user! :)

The very best of luck to you. I wish you great success!


Camski - if you haven't done it already, I would suggest starting a new thread for your venture.
 
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