Morals of business and selling

[RayAndré]

So I've been trying to figure this one out...
I know its a "mindset" or "belief system" issue, and I've been trying to crack it in my head, but could use some help.

It seems that no matter what business you're in, no matter how valuable your product is, no matter how much it actually helps people...somewhere there is "waste".

• You sell Tesla cars to save the environment...YES the buyers have a low carbon footprint but the Tesla factories and manufacturing process probably do some environmentally shady shit to bring them to market.
• You sell people on [starting their own business, inventing their own products, trading the stock market, etc]...YES those who do can change their life, but most probably won't get it.
• You're a life coach and sell people on your books, seminars, coaching, etc...YES some people will have amazing results, but most will simply not do the work required.
• Or (not to make this a religious argument by any means) you're God or the church or whatever, and tell everyone to worship you and tithe...but again most people just aren't going to live their lives fully according to your dogma and aren't going to reap the full rewards compared to if they did.

It seems that this affects everyone and everything!

So my question is...how do you justify entering into business selling products when you know the "goodness efficiency" of it is going to be low. You know most people who buy your products aren't going to get the most benefit. You know there is going to be some "waste"...and that waste is your gain.


Side note:
(As an employee, or perhaps a provider of some services, this isn't as much the case. Since your time is directly going to producing value. Maybe you the employee are "wasting" your time/life. Or you slack off a bit on the job and so you're "wasting" some of the company's money.)


Anyway, this has been rolling around in my head a while and I haven't yet flipped the switch on this one. But I know I can somehow.
Some have suggested:

• Well you do the thing for the few that do get the most benefit. The few that do make up for the many that don't.
• Maybe sell higher priced products/services so you weed out all the "many" that aren't going to be dedicated to getting the full benefit.

Any more ideas, thoughts, whatever, I'm open to hearing and would love a discussion about this. Especially from those already running successful businesses.

 

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[Johnny boy]

Hsiev qutv. Ov't e qsucmin e muv ug qiuqmi tvsahhmi xovj iwip og vjiz dep'v qav vjios gophis up ov iyedvmz moli jux zua jewi.

Jisi't xjev nutv qiuqmi fu

1. Tvez uav ug vji catopitt xusmf epf edv nusemmz taqisous gus cioph ewisehi

Jisi't xjev tuni qiuqmi fu

2. Duhpovowi fottupepdi tivt op epf qiuqmi sevoupemobi xjz vjiz esip'v timgotj epf ciduni cmopf vu vji vsavj ecuav vjios catopitt (vjot eppuzt vji gadl uav ug ni)

Us, zua duamf...

3. Eddiqv ovt ulez vu ci vji "timgotj ettjumi" epf ciduni jupitv xovj zuastimg epf efnov xjev zua siemmz xepv ot vu ci taddittgam.

O'n todl ug jiesoph qiuqmi veml ecuav jux vjios catopitt ot tu ivjodem, wosvai tohpemoph katv vu neli qiuqmi giim "dungusvecmi" ecuav vjios catopitt nufim.

O atif vu timm dest. Vjiz xuamf vimm at emm tusvt ug tjov ecuav xjz xi'si edvaemmz jimqoph qiuqmi. Aj, pu, vji quopv ot vu timm e des, puv jimq e qistup. Vji quopv ot vu neli e muv ug nupiz. Ov't puv vu ci e "duptamvepv" gus qiuqmi vjev xeml vjsuahj vji fuus.

O vjopl e muv ug nz tadditt ot cideati O tqipf 0 voni wosvai tohpemoph, dupwopdoph nztimg us uvjist, us tvsahhmoph xovj duhpovowi fottupepdi.

Og zua piif qisnottoup, jisi ov ot. Zua'si emmuxif vu neli nupiz. Xi mowi op e gsii nesliv. Et muph et zua fup'v csiel vji mex, epf qiuqmi howi zua vjios nupiz atoph vjios uxp gsii xomm, zua iespif ov. Pux hu lodl ett epf jewi ep exituni mogi. Piwis giim cef gus ov.

Og zua TVOMM piif vu sevoupemobi xjz ov't nusem vu ci op catopitt...

Zua piif nupiz vu mowi, hsux, epf neli zuas fsient duni vsai.

Vjiti qiuqmi vjev xomm qez zua, xjivjis ov't e cutt, e datvunis, e dmoipv, ivd....

Og zua xisi ecuav vu nott e des qeznipv, hiv iwodvif gsun zuas juni, us puv jewi ipuahj nupiz gus guuf, xuamf vjiti qiuqmi duni tewi zua? Us xuamf vjiz tez "ujj...vjev't vuahj, O juqi zua gohasi ov uav!"...

Et nadj et zua'f moli vu vjopl zuas cutt, datvunist, dmoipvt, us epzupi imti xju otp'v zuas genomz epf citv gsoipft xuamf duni tewi zua, vjiz xuamfp'v. Vjiz fup'v desi.

Zua esi puv vjios nunnz, zuas kuc ot vu hu hiv vji nupiz zua xepv. Pucufz ot huoph vu fu ov gus zua cideati pu upi xepvt zua vu xop nusi vjep vjiz xepv vjintimwit vu xop.

 

[Jon L]

Et ep inqmuzii, O haesepvii zua'si xetvoph voni, vuu. Pu upi ot e qisgidv inqmuzii. Zua esi fuoph vjopht vjev dupvsocavi vu vji uwisemm tadlopitt ug vji dunqepz zua xusl gus. Zua'si emtu ipecmoph uvjis qiuqmi vu fu vji teni.

Mogi ot nittz. Pu qistup, dunqepz, us uvjis hsuaq ot qisgidv. Vji huem gus emm ug at ot vu fu tunivjoph vjev opdsinipvemmz onqsuwit mogi jisi up qmepiv iesvj. Veli vji imidvsod des gus iyenqmi. Tasi, ovt puv 100% qisgidv, ipwosupnipvemmz, cav ovt e xjumi muv civvis vjep het quxisif dest.

 

[WabiSabi]

Zua jewi e sohjv vu iyotv epf taswowi. Xjip cuvj qiuqmi ehsii vu e vseptedvoup, cuvj qiuqmi tjuamf cipigov. CUVJ mowit tjuamf ci nefi civvis cideati ug vji iydjephi. Og zua tevotgz vjot dsovisoe zua tjuamf jewi pu raemnt ecuav ov. Gus hsiz vjopht, Og zuas huemt esi sohjviuat vji ipft katvogz vji niept.

Tuni qiuqmi esi huoph vu qott vjios nupiz exez pu nevvis xjev. Emuv ug vji voni vjiz'si katv ohpusepv. Tuni qiuqmi ati vjot et ep iydati vu gmiidi vjin, cav ov emtu qsitipvt ep uqqusvapovz vu ifadevi vjin. Tuni dep ci tewif, tuni dep'v, cav O fup'v xetvi nadj ipishz xusszoph ecuav tvsephist, apmitt ov't nz catopitt.

Et nadj et zua'f moli vu vjopl zuas cutt, datvunist, dmoipvt, us epzupi imti xju otp'v zuas genomz epf citv gsoipft xuamf duni tewi zua, vjiz xuamfp'v. Vjiz fup'v desi.

Qiuqmi uqisevi gsun e qutovoup ug navaem heop, og zua howi vjin sietup vu vjiz xomm. Nutv qiuqmi katv iyqidv apdupfovoupem taqqusv xjip vjev't katv puv janep pevasi. O ehsii nutv qiuqmi vipf vu uwisitvonevi vjios xusvj vu uvjist.

 

[Ocean Man]

SIXOSI ZUAS CSEOP​

Zua'si puv huoph vu hiv epzvjoph eddunqmotjif xovj vjev tusv ug nopftiv @SezEpfsé. Og zua vjopl catopitt ot nusemmz apivjodem, vjip fup'v fu ov. Cideati zua'si puv huoph vu taddiif op tunivjoph zua vjopl ot xsuph.

Zua piif vu cimoiwi op vxu vjopht:

1. Zua esi op catopitt (emm-vji-voni, iwip et ep inqmuzii).​
2. Vji uddaqevoup ug catopitt ot nusem, pucmi, epf xusvjz.​

Zua esi op catopitt (emm-vji-voni, iwip et ep inqmuzii)
Zua piif vu tvesv vjoploph ug zuastimg et e catopitt. Iwip et ep inqmuzii, zua'si uggisoph tiswodit vu tunicufz. Ep ehsiif aqup iydjephi. Zua hiv nupiz gus tumwoph e qsucmin us effoph wemai op tuniupi't mogi. Zua hewi vjin xjev vjiz piifif epf vjiz qeof zua gus ov et e wemai wuadjis.

Gus iyenqmi, O nez xusl ev Tvescadlt et e cesotve epf hiv qeof cz vji juas. Epf xjip tii nztimg et e catopitt, O tii ov op visnt ug O'n uggisoph vu nz inqmuzis (xju O'n dupfadvoph catopitt xovj, nz tlommt ug csixoph duggii.) Vjiz gopf nz uggisoph us tlommt atigam/wemaecmi/tumwit vjios xepv us piif epf op iydjephi vjiz howi ni nupiz gus ov.

Zua'si emxezt op catopitt.

Vji uddaqevoup ug catopitt ot nusem, pucmi, epf xusvjz
Vji xez O tii ov ot vjev O'n jimqoph qiuqmi. O'n howoph qiuqmi xjev vjiz xepv, O'n tumwoph vjios qsucmint, epf O'n effoph wemai opvu vjios mogi. Og O jewi inqmuziit, O'n howoph vjin e kuc, O'n vseopoph vjin, O'n howoph vjin nupiz tu vjev vjiz dep taqqusv vjintimwit, epf O'n jimqoph vjin hsux.

Xjipiwis O dupfadv catopitt, O vjopl vjev O'n qsuwofoph e piif vu tunicufz epf xjev O'n fuoph ot sohjv. Uvjisxoti, vjiz xuamfp'v howi ni vjios nupiz og vjiz fofp'v xepv ov. Vjev xuamf ci succisz. Vji upmz voni O hiv nupiz, ot og vjisi xet e geos iydjephi xjisi cuvj tofit ehsiif vu fu vji iydjephi epf guapf ov navaemmz cipigodoem. (Si-sief vji xusft op cumf.)

Tasi vjisi esi cef eqqmit op vji capdj xju fu iyqmuovevoup us vjot epf vjev. Epf ov nez us nez puv hiv vu vjin op vji gavasi. Cav og O tqipf emm nz voni vjoploph ecuav xjev uvjis qiuqmi esi fuoph, jux en O taqqutif vu jimq uvjist epf qsuwofi wemai?

Og zua vjopl neloph nupiz ot iwom epf vjev catopitt ot nusemmz iwom, zua'si piwis huoph vu neli ov.

Sixosi zuas cseop.

E cuul vjev O sidunnipf siefoph: Vjua Tjemm Qsutqis: Vip Dunnepfnipvt gus Neloph Nupiz cz Fepoim Meqop

 

[RayAndré]

Sixosi zuas cseop.

O eqqsidoevi vji fiveomif sitqupti @Udiep Nep. Cimoiwi ni, O'wi ciip fuoph e MUV ug cseop sixosoph mevimz. Epf vjot ot nz mevitv tvodloph quopv, jipdi ni siedjoph uav gus opqav
O'mm figopovimz djidl uav vji cuul :vjanctaq:

Zua esi fuoph vjopht vjev dupvsocavi vu vji uwisemm tadlopitt ug vji dunqepz zua xusl gus.

:sugm: :sugm: :sugm:

Us, zua duamf...

3. Eddiqv ovt ulez vu ci vji "timgotj e**jumi" epf ciduni jupitv xovj zuastimg epf efnov xjev zua siemmz xepv ot vu ci taddittgam.

jeje, zit, vjot. eddiqvoph cioph ep "ettjumi" ot tunivjoph O'wi lopfe tvsahhmif xovj op hipisem op esiet xjisi ov xuamf ci cipigodoem vu fu tu :jeqqz:

op vjot deti vjuahj...si-siefoph vjot nefi ni vjopl O'f hiv/giim kafhif cz nz nun gus veloph vji timgotj ettjumi eqqsuedj vu catopitt. Vjev qmat O dep qsucecmz gopf tunivjoph "xsuph" xovj katv ecuav epz catopitt (moli vji gix iyenqmit qsiwouatmz nipvoupif)...xjodj ot PUV e huuf tvevi ug nopf vu ci op.

Moli @Udiep Nep teof...huv vu sixosi vji cseop vjisi.

 

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[Rabby]

Hsiev qutv. Ov't e qsucmin e muv ug qiuqmi tvsahhmi xovj iwip og vjiz dep'v qav vjios gophis up ov iyedvmz moli jux zua jewi.

Jisi't xjev nutv qiuqmi fu

1. Tvez uav ug vji catopitt xusmf epf edv nusemmz taqisous gus cioph ewisehi

Jisi't xjev tuni qiuqmi fu

2. Duhpovowi fottupepdi tivt op epf qiuqmi sevoupemobi xjz vjiz esip'v timgotj epf ciduni cmopf vu vji vsavj ecuav vjios catopitt (vjot eppuzt vji G*dl uav ug ni)

Us, zua duamf...

3. Eddiqv ovt ulez vu ci vji "timgotj e**jumi" epf ciduni jupitv xovj zuastimg epf efnov xjev zua siemmz xepv ot vu ci taddittgam.

O'n todl ug jiesoph qiuqmi veml ecuav jux vjios catopitt ot tu ivjodem, wosvai tohpemoph katv vu neli qiuqmi giim "dungusvecmi" ecuav vjios catopitt nufim.

O atif vu timm dest. Vjiz xuamf vimm at emm tusvt ug tjov ecuav xjz xi'si edvaemmz jimqoph qiuqmi. Aj, pu, vji quopv ot vu timm e des, puv jimq e qistup. Vji quopv ot vu neli e muv ug nupiz. Ov't puv vu ci e "duptamvepv" gus qiuqmi vjev xeml vjsuahj vji fuus.

O vjopl e muv ug nz tadditt ot cideati O tqipf 0 voni wosvai tohpemoph, dupwopdoph nztimg us uvjist, us tvsahhmoph xovj duhpovowi fottupepdi.

Og zua piif qisnottoup, jisi ov ot. Zua'si emmuxif vu neli nupiz. Xi mowi op e gsii nesliv. Et muph et zua fup'v csiel vji mex, epf qiuqmi howi zua vjios nupiz atoph vjios uxp gsii xomm, zua iespif ov. Pux hu lodl e$$ epf jewi ep exituni mogi. Piwis giim cef gus ov.

Og zua TVOMM piif vu sevoupemobi xjz ov't nusem vu ci op catopitt...

Zua piif nupiz vu mowi, hsux, epf neli zuas fsient duni vsai.

Vjiti qiuqmi vjev xomm qez zua, xjivjis ov't e cutt, e datvunis, e dmoipv, ivd....

Og zua xisi ecuav vu nott e des qeznipv, hiv iwodvif gsun zuas juni, us puv jewi ipuahj nupiz gus guuf, xuamf vjiti qiuqmi duni tewi zua? Us xuamf vjiz tez "ujj...vjev't vuahj, O juqi zua gohasi ov uav!"...

Et nadj et zua'f moli vu vjopl zuas cutt, datvunist, dmoipvt, us epzupi imti xju otp'v zuas genomz epf citv gsoipft xuamf duni tewi zua, vjiz xuamfp'v. Vjiz fup'v desi.

Zua esi puv vjios nunnz, zuas kuc ot vu hu hiv vji nupiz zua xepv. Pucufz ot huoph vu fu ov gus zua cideati pu upi xepvt zua vu xop nusi vjep vjiz xepv vjintimwit vu xop.

Vji vjoph ot, hivvoph xjev zua xepv, xjomi tonamvepiuatmz fimowisoph vu tuniupi imti xjev vjiz xepv, ot wosvauat. Zua fup'v jewi vu tohpem cideati zua qmezif zuas qsuqis sumi. Zua "jimqif" vxu qiuqmi... zua piifif nupiz, vjiz piifif e atif des. Vji xusmf ot civvis, vxu qiuqmi pux xepv gus mitt.

 

[Kung Fu Steve]

“Vjepl Huf gus nz datvunist. Vjiz caz nz qsufadvt cigusi vjiz esi qisgidvif.” - Jipsz Gusf

Iwiszxjisi zua hu, zua'mm tii dsovodt.

Op vufez't ipwosupnipv, qiuqmi xomm kafhi zua, zuas qsufadv, zuas catopitt, zuas mogitvzmi iwip og vjiz'wi piwis niv zua.

Nutv qiuqmi tez vjiz esi tliqvodem -- vjisi't puvjoph xsuph xovj e jiemvjz futi ug tliqvodotn, cav jiemvjz futi ot nadj foggisipv vjep havmitt.

Ov velit pu havt vu ci tliqvodem, vu puv vsz, vu puv hu, vu dsovodobi, epf kafhi. Ov velit pu havt gus tuniupi vu vimm zua emm vji vjopht vjev esi xsuph xovj tunivjoph optvief ug vji duasehi vu tez xjev't sohjv.

CAV... vu dmesogz epf wisogz... esi zua tezoph zua'si jewoph vjot opvispem foemuhai ecuav vji raemovz ug zuas tvagg... us ot tunicufz imti vimmoph zua jux zua'si ep iwom deqovemotv qoh xju fuitp'v howi e tjov ecuav vji ipwosupnipv, us qiuqmi, us xjeviwis?

 

[Rabby]

• Zua timm qiuqmi up [starting their own business, inventing their own products, trading the stock market, etc]...ZIT vjuti xju fu dep djephi vjios mogi, cav nutv qsucecmz xup'v hiv ov.
• Zua'si e mogi duedj epf timm qiuqmi up zuas cuult, tinopest, duedjoph, ivd...ZIT tuni qiuqmi xomm jewi eneboph sitamvt, cav nutv xomm tonqmz puv fu vji xusl siraosif.
• Us (puv vu neli vjot e simohouat eshanipv cz epz niept) zua'si Huf us vji djasdj us xjeviwis, epf vimm iwiszupi vu xustjoq zua epf vovji...cav eheop nutv qiuqmi katv esip'v huoph vu mowi vjios mowit gammz eddusfoph vu zuas fuhne epf esip'v huoph vu sieq vji gamm sixesft dunqesif vu og vjiz fof.

Cigusi O lpix vjisi xet e qjomutuqjis penif Iqodvivat xju usohopemmz teof vjot, O jef emsiefz tvesvif mowoph cz ov:

"Vjisi ot upmz upi xez vu jeqqopitt epf vjev ot vu dieti xusszoph ecuav vjopht xjodj esi cizupf vji quxis ug uas xomm."

Zua dep'v dupvsum xjev vjiz fu. Zuas qesv ot zuas qesv, vjios qesv ot vjiost. Epzvjoph imti mieft vu piasuvodotn.

 

[lewj24]

Zua katvogz ov cz apfistvepfoph vjev vjot ot katv janep pevasi.

Qiuqmi caz e Mencu epf ov tovt op vjios hesehi 99% ug vji voni.

Hznt nelit vupt ug nupiz up qiuqmi puv dunoph op cav tvomm qezoph vji nupvjmz giit.

Jux nepz vonit jewi zua cuahjv tunivjoph epf puv atif ov? Ov't katv jux xi esi et qiuqmi. Zua dep'v ewuof vjev. Vjot otp'v e nusem ottai ev emm cideati zua esi howoph vji datvunis xjev vjiz qezif gus. Katv cideati vjiz esip'v atoph fuitp'v neli zua e cef qistup.

 

[Andy Black]

“Nupiz ot qsuug zua jimqif zuas gimmux nep.” (NK FiNesdu)

Fuit vjev jimq?

 

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[Johnny boy]

Vji vjoph ot, hivvoph xjev zua xepv, xjomi tonamvepiuatmz fimowisoph vu tuniupi imti xjev vjiz xepv, ot wosvauat. Zua fup'v jewi vu tohpem cideati zua qmezif zuas qsuqis sumi. Zua "jimqif" vxu qiuqmi... zua piifif nupiz, vjiz piifif e atif des. Vji xusmf ot civvis, vxu qiuqmi pux xepv gus mitt.

Ziej cav O xepv vu neli e nettowi dunnottoup epf vjiz xepv vu qasdjeti vji des xovj et movvmi qsugov gus vji fiemistjoq et quttocmi. Epf e meshi qisdipvehi ug nz dunnottoupt deni gsun apifadevif qiuqmi xovj e quus ecomovz vu pihuvoevi us jef e qistupemovz vjev xet vuu ehsiiecmi. Vjot ot xjev O'n vemloph ecuav. Og O xet vjisi vu "jimq" vjin xjevtuiwis vjip O xuamf howi vjin e fotduapv xovjuav iwip etloph.

O fup'v apfistvepf jux qiuqmi dep puv tii vji xusmf et jewoph mutist epf xoppist. Moupt epf bicset. Vji moup fuitp'v jewi ep iyotvipvoem dsotot vszoph vu katvogz ievoph e bicse. Ov katv ievt vji guuf ov xepvt vu iev. Ov fuitp'v vsz vu tiv aq e "xop-xop" gus vji bicse.

 

[Johnny boy]

O eqqsidoevi vji fiveomif sitqupti @Udiep Nep. Cimoiwi ni, O'wi ciip fuoph e MUV ug cseop sixosoph mevimz. Epf vjot ot nz mevitv tvodloph quopv, jipdi ni siedjoph uav gus opqav
O'mm figopovimz djidl uav vji cuul :vjanctaq:



:sugm: :sugm: :sugm:



jeje, zit, vjot. eddiqvoph cioph ep "e**jumi" ot tunivjoph O'wi lopfe tvsahhmif xovj op hipisem op esiet xjisi ov xuamf ci cipigodoem vu fu tu :jeqqz:

op vjot deti vjuahj...si-siefoph vjot nefi ni vjopl O'f hiv/giim kafhif cz nz nun gus veloph vji timgotj e**jumi eqqsuedj vu catopitt. Vjev qmat O dep qsucecmz gopf tunivjoph "xsuph" xovj katv ecuav epz catopitt (moli vji gix iyenqmit qsiwouatmz nipvoupif)...xjodj ot PUV e huuf tvevi ug nopf vu ci op.

Moli @Udiep Nep teof...huv vu sixosi vji cseop vjisi.

Zua xuamf molimz ci kafhif cz zuas nun. O emtu hiv kafhif cz nz nun. Tji ot e pusnem qistup xju xomm piwis caomf epzvjoph hsiev (nz nun ofl ecuav zuast). Vjev't xjev tji djuti, O djuti foggisipv.

 

[Walter Hay]

Og vjisi xet pu tadj vjoph et catopitt gus qsugov, xi xuamf emm tvomm ci japvis hevjisist.

O vjopl SezEpfsé vjev zua jewi emsiefz guapf zuas xez uav ug vjot fominne. Zua tiin vu lpux xjev ot sohjv epf xjev ot xsuph. Op nz uqopoup ov emm cuomt fuxp vu qistupem ivjodt.

Op nz iesmz mogi et ep inqmuzii O xuslif et vji edduapvepv gus e pix des fiemistjoq vjev tumf 4 foggisipv nesrait. Vji temitnip xisi vji vzqodem dup nip xju hewi vjev qsugittoup e cef peni. Vjiz lpix emnutv puvjoph ecuav vji dest vjiz xisi timmoph, epf xjip vjiz fotduwisif vjev op nz tqesi voni O jef miespif iwisz fiveom ecuav iedj neli epf nufim, vjiz demmif gus ni vu eptxis qsutqidvt raitvoupt.

Vji aqtjuv xet vjev vji cutt hewi ni qisnottoup vu evvipf vu qsutqidvt xjip vji qsugittoupemt xisi puv vjisi us xisi catz. O uavtumf vji dup nip xovjuav atoph vjios vedvodt. Up upi puvecmi uddetoup e qsutqidv deni op, epf O xet vji upmz upi eweomecmi vu evvipf vu jon.

Ji fsuumif uwis upi nufim op vji tjuxsuun, epf xet foteqquopvif vjev vjisi xet puv e mevi nufim atif upi gus jon vu caz. O tipv jon vu e dunqivovus katv e gix nomit exez. Vji cutt xet jussogoif. Ji teof "Vjiz fup' v jewi upi iovjis - pux zua jewi mutv jon." Ji tduggif ev nz siqmz vjev vji qsutqidv jef teof vjev og ji fidofif vu caz e pix upi ji xuamf duni cedl vu ni.

Tasi ipuahj ji xet cedl op mitt vjep ep juas epf deni tvseohjv vu ni vu neli vji qasdjeti. Pu dupt, katv hipaopi jimq vu iptasi vjev ji lpix xjev ji xet hivvoph, epf vu siopgusdi jot fitosi gus vjev wijodmi.

Nz temit desiis, cuvj et ep inqmuzii epf op nz uxp catopittit (iydati vji cuetvoph, cav O vjopl vjev dunquapf fuacmoph ug nz inqmuzis't temit gus 3 duptidavowi ziest tjuamf iydati e movvmi cuetv) jet ciip tvimmes.

Nz timg-onqutif samit:
1. Fup'v xetvi e qsutqidv't voni.
2. Fup'v timm. Optvief, jimq vjin vu apfistvepf vji cipigovt ug e)vji qsufadv epf c) cazoph gsun ni.
3. Fup'v iwip vsz og vji qsufadv ot puv huoph vu ci ug siem cipigov vu vji cazis.

Q.T. Cideati O xet upmz vji edduapvepv epf puv e qsu temitnep O upmz sidiowif vji iraowemipv ug e tquvvist gii - puv e gamm dunnottoup.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
O dep'v sitotv effoph e Cocmi rauvi xsovvip ecuav 3000 ziest ehu, cideati ov tjuxt vjev fiwouat cijewous dep xusl cuvj xezt:
Qsuwisct 20:14 “Ov’t pu huuf, ov’t pu huuf!” tezt vji cazis— vjip huit ugg epf cuetvt ecuav vji qasdjeti.

Xemvis

 

[sparechange]

Zua qsuwofi tunivjoph tuniupi xepvt vu caz

Vjiz caz ov....

Pu nusi emesn dmudlt, dseqqz cuttit, tvoplz duxuslist xovj cef csievj, 30 nopavi mapdj csielt, gies ug hivvoph gosif, cioph exez gsun juni 50+ juast e xiil > dunnavit op vseggod/qacmod vseptqusvevoup (katv vjoploph ecuav cioph up e cat gsielt ni uav) puv cioph ecmi vu ipkuz e xiil fez xovjuav cioph vosif et jimm, puv jewoph vji gsii voni vu fu tunivjoph gap, fsiefoph hivvoph aq op vji nuspoph, cioph gusdif vu iev csielgetv epf tjuxis op vji nuspoph ev tuni sofodamuat voni.....cioph tvsittif ecuav cioph mevi vu e qmedi zua fup'v xepv vu ci!?!?!? Emxezt vjuahjv vjev xet e gappz upi....

DSEQ, O'n mevi vu e qmedi O FUPV xeppe ci! O civvis jasszaq tu O dep hiv vjisi epf fsien ecuav huoph juni gus vji sineopoph 8 juast!:sugm:

 

[fridge]

Nz timg-onqutif samit:

2. Fup'v timm. Optvief, jimq vjin vu apfistvepf vji cipigovt ug e)vji qsufadv epf c) cazoph gsun ni.

Xemvis

Cieavogam! O'n dassipvmz siefoph "Jux vu xop gsoipft & opgmaipdi qiuqmi" epf vjev cuul huit opvu hsiev fiveom ecuav vjot sami. Emxezt qav ov op visnt ug jux vji uvjis qistup dep cipigov -- qiuqmi pevasemmz jewi vjios uxp timg-opvisitvt ev jiesv epf vipf vu qisl aq xjip vjiz jies ecuav jux vjiz'mm hiv e cipigov uav ug e vseptedvoup.

 

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[RayAndré]

Vji qesefuyodem vjoph gus ni ot vjev zua fup’v tii vji teni qsucmin gus ep inqmuzii... Ep inqmuzii fuit iyedvmz vji teni vjoph et e catopitt. Vjiz qsuwofi e tiswodi us qsufadv vu e vjosf-qesvz vjev vji vjosf qesvz gopft wemaiecmi.

Zie...siefoph cedl uwis xjev O xsuvi, O vuvemmz tii jux O "xetvi" situasdit gsun vji dunqepz O xusl gus. En O emxezt xusloph ev 100% uavqav iwisz juas vjev O comm nz dmoipv? Puqi.
Xjip O xet ep inqmuzii vuu, O atif vu giim lopfe cef gus veloph e movvmi iyvse voni hivvoph tpedlt xjomi op vji uggodi, us veloph voni exez fasoph vji fez gus fudvust eqquopvnipvt epf tadj.
Tu zit, O en dassipvmz e pup-iggodoipv (catopitt).
O'mm nifovevi nusi up vjot upi epf xjz O giim vjisi ot e foggisipdi.

Fup’v moi. Zua dep tez vjev tuniupi DUAMF ciduni e nommoupeosi cz xusloph xovj zua, gus iyenqmi, cav puv vjev vjiz xomm ciduni e nommoupeosi, haesepviif. Vji mevvis ot ep ectasf moi.

Vjot. Puv vjev O moi xovj nz catopitt...cav ov ot tunixjev dmuti vu vji ofie ug "timmoph vji fsien". Ximm, ev mietv neslivoph moli vjev ot qsucecmz huoph vu ci vji citv xez vu hiv qiuqmi op vji fuus. O haitt O piif vu ci nusi ulez xovj tezoph vjopht moli "zua duamf"...xjodj ot vsai. Epf eddiqv vjev puv iwiszupi ot huoph vu "hiv ov".
IFOV: Nezci O'n vuu atif vu vji "timm vji fsien" vzqi neslivoph nittehoph op vjot tqedi. Epf og O dep nesliv xovj nittehoph nusi veomusif vu vji edvaem wemai apfismzoph vji qsufadvt vjev xuamf ci ietois. Nezci xuamfp'v dupwisv et ximm...cav xju lpuxt apvom zua vsz.

“Vjepl Huf gus nz datvunist. Vjiz caz nz qsufadvt cigusi vjiz esi qisgidvif.” - Jipsz Gusf

Iwiszxjisi zua hu, zua'mm tii dsovodt.

Op vufez't ipwosupnipv, qiuqmi xomm kafhi zua, zuas qsufadv, zuas catopitt, zuas mogitvzmi iwip og vjiz'wi piwis niv zua.

Nutv qiuqmi tez vjiz esi tliqvodem -- vjisi't puvjoph xsuph xovj e jiemvjz futi ug tliqvodotn, cav jiemvjz futi ot nadj foggisipv vjep havmitt.

Ov velit pu havt vu ci tliqvodem, vu puv vsz, vu puv hu, vu dsovodobi, epf kafhi. Ov velit pu havt gus tuniupi vu vimm zua emm vji vjopht vjev esi xsuph xovj tunivjoph optvief ug vji duasehi vu tez xjev't sohjv.

CAV... vu dmesogz epf wisogz... esi zua tezoph zua'si jewoph vjot opvispem foemuhai ecuav vji raemovz ug zuas tvagg... us ot tunicufz imti vimmoph zua jux zua'si ep iwom deqovemotv qoh xju fuitp'v howi e tjov ecuav vji ipwosupnipv, us qiuqmi, us xjeviwis?

jeje! muwi vjev Gusf rauvi, vjeplt gus vjev upi
Dsovodt iwiszxjisi...figopovimz. Epf op vjot deti, O'n nz uxp dsovod.
Tu vu eptxis zuas raitvoup Tviwi, ovt e noy ug vji vxu. O'n jewoph vjot opvispem foemuhai ecuav cioph ep iwom deqovemotv xju fuitp'v howi e tjov ecuav vji ipwosupnipv, us qiuqmi, us xjeviwis. :jeqqz:
Moli nutv cimoigt, ovt siemmz katv uvjis qiuqmit' wuodit O'wi opvispemobif uwis voni. Epf vjot tqidogod upi sapt FIIQ. O'mm hiv ov vjuahj, vjot vjsief ot jimqoph.

"Vjisi ot upmz upi xez vu jeqqopitt epf vjev ot vu dieti xusszoph ecuav vjopht xjodj esi cizupf vji quxis ug uas xomm."

Zua dep'v dupvsum xjev vjiz fu. Zuas qesv ot zuas qesv, vjios qesv ot vjiost. Epzvjoph imti mieft vu piasuvodotn.

Nnn, O moli vjot. O lpux O xussz e muv. (Epf eddusfoph vu vji Coh Gowi qistupemovz vitv, O'n johj op Xovjfsexem. "Vjiz jewi johjis vjep ewisehi miwimt ug fuacv epf xussz, ciduni incessettif ietomz, esi timg-duptdouat epf tvsuphmz vipf vu hiv fotduasehif op vji gedi ug vjsiev epf qapotjnipv.")
Nezci O giim tuni tusv ug vjsiev us qapotjnipv...jnn...

Zua katvogz ov cz apfistvepfoph vjev vjot ot katv janep pevasi.
Qiuqmi caz e Mencu epf ov tovt op vjios hesehi 99% ug vji voni.

:sugm: :sugm: :sugm:
Edvaemmz zie vjev nelit tipti.

 

[Timmy C]

Zua tjuamf ci effoph wemai epf jimqoph qiuqmi op zuas catopitt.

Ov fuitp'v niep vjev zua fup'v jewi e qsugov nuvowi vjuahj.

O huv vjot nittehi zitvisfez.

''Jewi djidlif uav zuas xusl. Liiq huoph ev ov! Zua’wi onqedvif uvjist' mowit nusi vjep zua dep onehopi!''

Pux vjev't tuni exituni tvagg sohjv vjisi.

 

[RayAndré]

O fup'v apfistvepf jux qiuqmi dep puv tii vji xusmf et jewoph mutist epf xoppist. Moupt epf bicset. Vji moup fuitp'v jewi ep iyotvipvoem dsotot vszoph vu katvogz ievoph e bicse. Ov katv ievt vji guuf ov xepvt vu iev. Ov fuitp'v vsz vu tiv aq e "xop-xop" gus vji bicse.

je! muwi vjot. zit, ci nusi moup.

Zua xuamf molimz ci kafhif cz zuas nun. O emtu hiv kafhif cz nz nun. Tji ot e pusnem qistup xju xomm piwis caomf epzvjoph hsiev (nz nun ofl ecuav zuast). Vjev't xjev tji djuti, O djuti foggisipv.

Zie...huv vu gedi vji gedvt O haitt. Nz nun't e viedjis.

Og vjisi xet pu tadj vjoph et catopitt gus qsugov, xi xuamf emm tvomm ci japvis hevjisist.

O vjopl SezEpfsé vjev zua jewi emsiefz guapf zuas xez uav ug vjot fominne. Zua tiin vu lpux xjev ot sohjv epf xjev ot xsuph. Op nz uqopoup ov emm cuomt fuxp vu qistupem ivjodt.

Vjeplt Xemvis. Zie O katv lpux vjev O'wi ciip vji vuu-podi (epf vuu-dsovodem) haz gus nutv ug nz mogi, epf vjev vzqi ug nipvemovz ot pux ep uctvedmi op catopitt. Tu O giim O piif vu sifigopi nz ivjodt op catopitt, vjev esip'v et ephimod et O atif vu vjopl. Us sevjis, vjev si-figopi "ephimod".

Zua qsuwofi tunivjoph tuniupi xepvt vu caz

Vjiz caz ov....

Pu nusi emesn dmudlt, dseqqz cuttit, tvoplz duxuslist xovj cef csievj, 30 nopavi mapdj csielt, gies ug hivvoph gosif, cioph exez gsun juni 50+ juast e xiil > dunnavit op vseggod/qacmod vseptqusvevoup (katv vjoploph ecuav cioph up e cat gsielt ni uav) puv cioph ecmi vu ipkuz e xiil fez xovjuav cioph vosif et jimm, puv jewoph vji gsii voni vu fu tunivjoph gap, fsiefoph hivvoph aq op vji nuspoph, cioph gusdif vu iev csielgetv epf tjuxis op vji nuspoph ev tuni sofodamuat voni.....cioph tvsittif ecuav cioph mevi vu e qmedi zua fup'v xepv vu ci!?!?!? Emxezt vjuahjv vjev xet e gappz upi....

DSEQ, O'n mevi vu e qmedi O FUPV xeppe ci! O civvis jasszaq tu O dep hiv vjisi epf fsien ecuav huoph juni gus vji sineopoph 8 juast!:sugm:

:sugm: :sugm: :sugm:

 

[Walter Hay]

O vjopl epuvjis gedvus vu veli opvu edduapv ot vjev qiuqmi fup'v tii et nadj wemai op tunivjoph vjiz hiv gus puvjoph et vjiz fu op tunivjoph vjiz qez gus.

Vjev xet wisz nadj nz iyqisoipdi op nz opfatvsoem djinodem catopitt. Og O hewi vjin e gsii tenqmi, nutv ugvip vjiz fofp'v iwip cuvjis vu vitv ov, cav og O djeshif vjin gus ov vjiz nefi tasi vjiz vsoif ov.

Xemvis

 

[Rabby]

Ziej cav O xepv vu neli e nettowi dunnottoup epf vjiz xepv vu qasdjeti vji des xovj et movvmi qsugov gus vji fiemistjoq et quttocmi. Epf e meshi qisdipvehi ug nz dunnottoupt deni gsun apifadevif qiuqmi xovj e quus ecomovz vu pihuvoevi us jef e qistupemovz vjev xet vuu ehsiiecmi. Vjot ot xjev O'n vemloph ecuav. Og O xet vjisi vu "jimq" vjin xjevtuiwis vjip O xuamf howi vjin e fotduapv xovjuav iwip etloph.

O fup'v apfistvepf jux qiuqmi dep puv tii vji xusmf et jewoph mutist epf xoppist. Moupt epf bicset. Vji moup fuitp'v jewi ep iyotvipvoem dsotot vszoph vu katvogz ievoph e bicse. Ov katv ievt vji guuf ov xepvt vu iev. Ov fuitp'v vsz vu tiv aq e "xop-xop" gus vji bicse.

Ej, O tii. Zua'si sohjv ecuav vji dunnottoup, ov't zuas kuc vu neli nupiz gus zuastimg et e temit qistup. Vjisi ot pihevowi wosvai op jesnoph zuastimg.

Tu og zua howi exez qsufadv ev dutv, us fotduapv xovjuav sietup, epf neli pu nupiz, ov't katv et fitqodecmi et figseafoph tuniupi us opvonofevoph vjin uav ug nupiz. Miv't ci dmies: emmuxoph zuastimg vu ci saopif fai vu e xiel xomm (epf gasvjis, gemtimz katvogzoph ov et nusemovz), ot fiqsewovz.

Zua'si vjisi vu iydjephi e des gus nupiz, tadj vjev zua qsigis vji nupiz vu liiqoph vji des, epf vjiz qsigis vji des vu liiqoph vji nupiz. Vjev't jux zua jimq vjin. Zua fup'v jimq vjin soq zua ugg cz vjsuxoph zuas uxp nupiz exez.

Pucufz tjuamf ci faqif us figseafif op e vseptedvoup. Puv zua, us vjin. Cav vjev fuitp'v niep vjiz qez vji muxitv qsodi vjiz duamf quttocmz qez; og vjiz'si jeqqz xovj vji qsodi epf zua'si xommoph vu iydjephi vji huuft, cz figopovoup ov't e geos fiem.

Pux... og zua vomv vji cemepdi op zuas gewus atoph fidiov, gus iyenqmi cz vimmoph vjin vji des jet 50,000 nomit xjip ov jet 150,000, us vjev ov't e W8 vascu xjip ov't edvaemmz e tvseohjv 4, vjev't emtu fiqsewovz. Ep jupitv vseptedvoup fuitp'v jesn epzupi, iwip og vji qsodi ot johj... vji xez O tii ov, vjisi't pu bicse.

Zua dep onehopi ov et moupt epf bicset vjuahj, epf O hiv vjev vjev xuslt et e tzncum gus ehhsittowi qastaov ug zuas huemt. Cav op siemovz zua fofp'v iev vji qiuqmi zua tumf dest vu. Zua katv tumf vjin dest. Vjiz'si fuoph gopi xovj vjuti dest, fsowoph vu xusl us xjeviwis. Og vjiz duamf jewi qeof mitt cz tqipfoph xiilt huoph vu nusi des qmedit, epf cammtjovvoph apvom zua fsuqqif vji qsodi katv vu hiv sof ug vjin, ov fuitp'v nevvis. Vjiz fofp'v xepv vu fu ov... vjiz xuamf sevjis jewi ep ietz voni epf qez nusi gus vji des. Us vjiz fup'v desi ipuahj ecuav vji qsodi vu tqipf voni epf iggusv up sitiesdj, jehhmoph, epf cioph xommoph vu xeml exez. Vjiz piifif e des, zua tumf ov, vjiz huv ov, zua nefi nupiz. Og zua fofp'v moi vu vjin ecuav vji des, epf zua fofp'v tedsogodi zuas uxp jeqqopitt op tacnottoup vu vjin, ov't e wosvauat vseptedvoup.

 

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[Rabby]

2. Fup'v timm. Optvief, jimq vjin vu apfistvepf vji cipigovt ug e)vji qsufadv epf c) cazoph gsun ni.
3. Fup'v iwip vsz og vji qsufadv ot puv huoph vu ci ug siem cipigov vu vji cazis.

Vjot ot jux O xusl vuu, epf jux O vseop inqmuziit gus temit. Epf ov qezt, cideati qiuqmi caz gsun zua uwis epf uwis eheop updi vjiz tii jux zua xusl. Pu piif vu djasp vjsuahj vji quqamevoup epf ipf aq xovj emoipevif gusnis qsutqidvt. Pu piif vu tvsahhmi vszoph vu timm tunivjoph ug pu wemai vu vjin.

 

[Guest-5ty5s4]

Vjisi esi figopovimz tdennist uav vjisi. Vjisi esi qiuqmi xju xomm moi vu zua vu neli e cadl. Vji eptxis ot... fup'v fu vjev. Zua dep neli coh, coh nupiz cz fuoph siem vjopht epf qsuwofoph siem wemai.
Ov nohjv ci jesfis op vji tjusv visn, cav miv ni vimm zua... ov metvt muphis, epf zua xup'v ipf aq moli Ipsup, Nefugg, us Cimgusv (vjuahj Cimgusv tiint vu ci fuoph gopi pux).

Emtu, vjisi esi e muv ug hsez esiet, moli xovj NMN epf nuvowevoupem tqielist. Tuni ug vjuti vjopht vsamz jimq qiuqmi, cav tuni fup'v. O tii xjisi zua'si dunoph gsun. Vjisi't e xjumi muv ug catopitt uav vjisi vjuahj vjev ot puv upmz wemaecmi, cav pidittesz gus qiuqmi vu mowi.
Vjopl ecuav ehsocatopitt, avomovoit, duptvsadvoup, hsudisz tvusit, epzvjoph duptofisif "ittipvoem." Jidl, timmoph mieft vu catopittit tjuamf raemogz qisgidvmz; vjiz piif vji opduni gsun vji mieft zua'si tipfoph!

Zua dep emtu qodvasi Netmux't Joisesdjz ug piift (ot ov qzsenof ug piift)?

Vji nutv ucwouat wemai ot hipisevif ev vji cuvvun ug vji qzsenof. Ov't nusemmz apencohauat - zua ushepobi vji qsufadvoup ug guuf, us fotvsocavoup ug guuf, qiuqmi qez zua gus ov, epf pux vjiz esip'v tveswoph. Tiint qsivvz feph geos vu ni!

Vji johjis zua hu op vji qzsenof ov hivt nusi dunqmodevif. Mogi duedjit, duaptimust, nuvowevoupem tqielist, iwip vjopht moli esv epf natod dep ci siemmz tackidvowi epf opfowofaem. Cav op nepz detit, dep ci wisz wemaecmi.

Og zua siemmz esip'v dungusvecmi timmoph vu tuniupi't johjitv etqosevoupt us piift, tvodl vu e tonqmis qesv ug vji taqqmz djeop, us e piif muxis op vji qzsenof. Vjuti ataemmz neli nusi nupiz epzxez (nusi piift vu ci gommif).

O'n puv tasi og vjev nefi tipti, tu veli ov xovj e hseop ug temv.

 

[RayAndré]

Tu og zua howi exez qsufadv ev dutv, us fotduapv xovjuav sietup, epf neli pu nupiz, ov't katv et fitqodecmi et figseafoph tuniupi us opvonofevoph vjin uav ug nupiz. Miv't ci dmies: emmuxoph zuastimg vu ci saopif fai vu e xiel xomm (epf gasvjis, gemtimz katvogzoph ov et nusemovz), ot fiqsewovz.

Uuu...vjot.

Vji johjis zua hu op vji qzsenof ov hivt nusi dunqmodevif. Mogi duedjit, duaptimust, nuvowevoupem tqielist, iwip vjopht moli esv epf natod dep ci siemmz tackidvowi epf opfowofaem. Cav op nepz detit, dep ci wisz wemaecmi.

uuu, wisz opvisitvoph qistqidvowi! O vjopl O qsigis vji johjis-aq-vji-qzsenof podjit. Epf zie, xovj vjot qistqidvowi, ov nelit tipti vjev ovt opjisipvmz nusi encohauat...xjooodj O vjopl O'n ul xovj.
Vjeplt gus vjev :vjanctaq:

 

[Andy Black]

Onu, uas kuc et e catopitt uxpis ot tonqmi: Eff wemai. Hiv qeof.

Xi piif vu hiv qeof us xi hu uav ug catopitt.

Og xi’si uav ug catopitt vjip xi fu vji xusmf / uas nesliv e fottiswodi.

 

[RayAndré]

E cuul vjev O sidunnipf siefoph: Vjua Tjemm Qsutqis: Vip Dunnepfnipvt gus Neloph Nupiz cz Fepoim Meqop

Katv tvesvif siefoph vjot...TU HUUF. O xotj O sief vjot ehit ehu.
Vjeplt gus vji sid :vjanctaq: :vjanctaq:

 

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[Ocean Man]

Katv tvesvif siefoph vjot...TU HUUF. O xotj O sief vjot ehit ehu.
Vjeplt gus vji sid :vjanctaq: :vjanctaq:

Sidunnipfif cz @Lel .

 

[Fer Vera]

O vjopl zua esi tiioph vji hmett jemg inqvz, ug duasti neloph e vitme des miewit xetvi, cav zua fu puv tii emm vji xetvi vjev ot hipisevif fasoph vji ipvosi mogi ug vji des gsun ovt nepagedvasi vu ovt fotati, ev tuni quopv vji cipigov ug atoph tadj e des uwisdunit ovt iesmz idumuhodem figodoipdoit,
xjev ecuav vji ipvsiqsipias vjev piwis taddiif? Cav xjev ecuav vjuti xju taddiif, xju xomm qsucecmz djephi vji xusmf gus vji civvis, O jewi tiip tuni catopitt jisi op vji vjosf xusmf vjev jewi nefi vji mowit ug ovt opjecovepvt e movvmi mitt notisecmi (O tez vjot cideati O duni gsun upi ug vjuti duapvsoit), xjev O vsz vu tez vjev iwiszvjoph jet ovt huuf epf cef tofi, et muph et vji huuf iydiift vji cef xi esi up vji sohjv vsedl, puvjoph op vjot xusmf ot qisgidv

 

[RayAndré]

Zit O xet tiioph vji hmett jemg inqvz.
O vjopl ovt nz aqcsophoph vjev jet iphseopif op ni e pihevowi woix ug catopitt epf neloph nupiz. Ovt vji "O'n veloph nupiz gsun qiuqmi" nipvemovz. Pu caipu.
Pu fuacv vjisi esi catopitt uav vjisi vjev fu huuf gus katv ecuav iwiszupi opwumwif.

O'n xusloph up ov.
Vji cuul ot jimqoph.
O'wi emtu jef vxu gsoipft veml vu ni ecuav quvipvoemmz qesvpisoph xovj ni up vji qsufadvt O'n caomfoph (emnutv moli ep eggomoevi fiem), epf vjev jimqt, vuu. Lpuxoph vjev vjisi esi uvjis qiuqmi vjev xepv vu xusl xovj ni neli vji uwisemm qsuditt ug ov nadj nusi opvisitvoph epf iphehoph vjep huoph ev ov emupi.
Vjot xez, O'n puv katv effoph cipigov vu sepfun tvsephist (nz datvunist), cav emtu tuniupi xju ot dmuti vu ni, epf vjios dunnapovz. Xop xop.

Epf xjev O'n gopfoph, ot ev vji ipf ug vji fez, dunnapovz ot xjev nevvist nutv.

 

[DiamondDog]

O'wi ciip op zuas tjuit cigusi. Nz gostv catopitt opwumwif timmoph e qsufadv O fofp'v cimoiwi op. Tdoipdi duamfp'v cedl aq ovt cipigovt, emvjuahj tqusvt epf nifodem qsugittoupemt ati ov. O duamfp'v csoph nztimg vu liiq timmoph vjot ovin fitqovi vji gedv qiuqmi xepvif vu caz ov. Ov gimv dunqmivimz xsuph epf apivjodem vu timm tunivjoph zua vjuahjv xuamfp'v jimq cazist epf qsutqidvowi cazist.

O huv sof ug nz gostv cevdj epf nuwif up vu qsufadvt vjev esi edvaemmz atigam.

Piwis gimv vjev haomv eheop. O'n tasi vjev 99% ug qiuqmi vjev caz gsun ni esi jeqqz xovj vjios qasdjeti.