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Diving off the deep end and ordering some acoustic foam... I will find some way for my office to still look cool even with foam.

I can NOT handle the echo. Also got a 9x6 persian rug... Even though I hate rugs.
Look at Tim Pool’s YT show. He rocks foam
 
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GREAT show about strategic partnerships! Exactly what I needed to hear today. Thank you
 

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Diving off the deep end and ordering some acoustic foam... I will find some way for my office to still look cool even with foam.

I can NOT handle the echo. Also got a 9x6 persian rug... Even though I hate rugs.
You can get good looking acoustic panels too.

For example:

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(I researched this because chances of Mrs Black allowing acoustic foam up on the wall = zero.)
 
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Well, that was interesting. I just got off of a call with Kyle and I am sure he's sad that I told him he could record it as I gave him an a$$ kicking. We'll see if he posts the audio or not. The call ended somewhat abruptly. Kyle and I are friends, but if he does post the audio you will get a glimpse into a typical discussion between us. @Kak are you going to post it?

You probably should listen to it first and see if it's even discernable. I leave the decision to you, as long as you DONT EDIT IT.
 

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Well, that was interesting. I just got off of a call with Kyle and I am sure he's sad that I told him he could record it as I gave him an a$$ kicking. We'll see if he posts the audio or not. The call ended somewhat abruptly. Kyle and I are friends, but if he does post the audio you will get a glimpse into a typical discussion between us. @Kak are you going to post it?

You probably should listen to it first and see if it's even discernable. I leave the decision to you, as long as you DONT EDIT IT.
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Kyle... you gotta post this bud!
 

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@Kak

Kyle... you gotta post this bud!

EPISODE 27 Is LIVE!

The 4th of July Capitalism Special


I was triggered, admittedly, by David Happe and his observations of capitalism. We decided to hash this slugfest out for the listeners of the Kill Bigger Radio Show. Enjoy and Happy 4th of July.

I was mowing the lawn listening to MYB and I had to call Dave. We turned it into a show.

LOL you people need to give me a second to make the file into an mp3 and add the intro and outro for crying out loud. hahahaha.

I also had @Vigilante hang up on me and mess up the end of the recording. :rofl:

You guys know where to find it!!
 
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EPISODE 27 Is LIVE!

The 4th of July Capitalism Special


I was triggered, admittedly, by David Happe and his observations of capitalism. We decided to hash this slugfest out for the listeners of the Kill Bigger Radio Show. Enjoy and Happy 4th of July.

LOL you people need to give me a second to make the file into an mp3 and add the intro and outro for crying out loud. hahahaha.

I also had @Vigilante hang up on me and mess up the end of the recording. :rofl:

You guys know where to find it!!

I thought the call was over. Or... I decided maybe the call was over.
 

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This show reminded me of old Hannity and Combes.

Admittedly it was a lot more fun than Hannity by himself.
 

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This show reminded me of old Hannity and Combes.

Admittedly it was a lot more fun than Hannity by himself.

I am Hannity. That makes you Alan Combes.
 
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I am Hannity. That makes you Alan Combes.

Folks, I am going to bet Dave $20 to charity that I won this debate. Despite him saying a LOT.

Please hit this thread with who you thought won this debate. Once it dies down, we will count them.
 
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Folks, I am going to bet Dave $20 to charity that I won this debate. Despite him saying a LOT.

Please hit this thread with who you thought won this debate. Once it dies down, we will count them.
No worries I’m in

Here’s my charity
 

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No worries I’m in

Here’s my charity

Here is mine:
 
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Dave, correct me if I'm wrong, but what I got out of your talk is that you're sort of saying that an entrepreneur or a "capitalist" or a CEO making $5 million/year, $10 million/year, $30 million/year, is unfair because his salary is coming out of employees paving the road for him while they make $50k/year or that the employees are not benefiting only the founder.

Or that it's not easy telling someone in that position to quit because he has a family, he has kids, he has a mortgage, he has car payments, etc. but those were their choices, no? Bezos could've partied every weekend, went out with a girl every weekend, worked at McDonalds, had kids when he was 18, etc. but he didn't, his choices led to his success.

Yes employees make the business move forward, but there would be no business without the founder, without the capitalist, without the entrepreneur. And yes there would be no business without the employees, but just until the founder finds another group of people to hire, and there will always be people to hire because not everyone has what it takes, you know it and I know it. I know people that don't want to risk $500 in starting something, they're just fine as employees.

So why is it that when a capitalist that risks $100 million to develop 3 condo towers, and hires sales rep that make $60k/year to sell his units, he is only benefiting himself? I'll flip the question that you asked Kyle at end (well if it's that easy, why don't you hire 200 people), well if being the founder/CEO is that easy, why don't the sales reps develop their own towers instead of taking on the sales job? Could it be because they have bills to pay? Well there you go... it's beneficial for both parties.

But then again, I don't even quite understand what was being argued lmfao.
 

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Dave, correct me if I'm wrong, but what I got out of your talk is that you're sort of saying that an entrepreneur or a "capitalist" or a CEO making $5 million/year, $10 million/year, $30 million/year, is unfair because his salary is coming out of employees paving the road for him while they make $50k/year or that the employees are not benefiting only the founder.

Or that it's not easy telling someone in that position to quit because he has a family, he has kids, he has a mortgage, he has car payments, etc. but those were their choices, no? Bezos could've partied every weekend, went out with a girl every weekend, worked at McDonalds, had kids when he was 18, etc. but he didn't, his choices led to his success.

Yes employees make the business move forward, but there would be no business without the founder, without the capitalist, without the entrepreneur. And yes there would be no business without the employees, but just until the founder finds another group of people to hire, and there will always be people to hire because not everyone has what it takes, you know it and I know it. I know people that don't want to risk $500 in starting something, they're just fine as employees.

So why is it that when a capitalist that risks $100 million to develop 3 condo towers, and hires sales rep that make $60k/year to sell his units, he is only benefiting himself? I'll flip the question that you asked Kyle at end (well if it's that easy, why don't you hire 200 people), well if being the founder/CEO is that easy, why don't the sales reps develop their own towers instead of taking on the sales job? Could it be because they have bills to pay? Well there you go... it's beneficial for both parties.

But then again, I don't even quite understand what was being argued lmfao.

Absolutely not.

Never ever used the word unfair. Use the Best Buy CEO as an example. He earned every single dollar.

I’m just pointing out the obvious… That capitalism requires a division of labor. There are entrepreneur capitalists that own businesses, and they employ less skilled, zero risk employees.

There is no degree of fairness required nor should there be. But in order for capitalism to be fully manifest and successful, there has to be unskilled labor that serves to benefit the risk taker.

It is unequitable by design, but the blessing is that those in servitude to the capitalist can rise above it and become successful entrepreneurs and business owners.

capitalism requires a division of labor. Owners who take the risk, and workers who serve at the pleasure of and for the profit of the owner UNTIL and UNLESS they become a risk taker owner entrepreneurs themselves.

Hence a man isn’t truly “free” when the fruits of his labor are designed to enrich somebody else. He has only achieved mastery of capitalism when the fruits of his labor enrich himself.
 

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Capitalism requires a division of labor. Owners who take the risk, and workers who serve at the pleasure of and for the profit of the owner UNTIL and UNLESS they become a risk taker owner entrepreneurs themselves.

Hence a man isn’t truly “free” when the fruits of his labor are designed to enrich somebody else. He has only achieved mastery of capitalism when the fruits of his labor enrich himself.
Ah okay...

So my question is, does this make it wrong or why is that an issue?

Although I don't want to use the statement "division of labor", but I agree with you in that there is levels in Capitalism. What I disagree with is the statement that the workers ONLY serve at the pleasure of and for the profit of the owner. Yes employees make the owner money. But so what? Doesn't the owner give them a pay check to put food in their kids mouth? It is beneficial to both parties, not at the same monetary level, but it IS beneficial to both parties.

Heck, VP of Facebook is an employee. I'm sure he's benefiting from Zuckerberg as much as Zuckerberg is benefiting from him.

It might not be on the same monetary scale of Subway's owner vs a subway sandwich maker, but it's still owner to employee.
 
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Ah okay...

So my question is, does this make it wrong or why is that an issue?

Although I don't want to use the statement "division of labor", but I agree with you in that there is levels in Capitalism. What I disagree with is the statement that the workers ONLY serve at the pleasure of and for the profit of the owner. Yes employees make the owner money. But so what? Doesn't the owner give them a pay check to put food in their kids mouth? It is beneficial to both parties, not at the same monetary level, but it IS beneficial to both parties.

Heck, VP of Facebook is an employee. I'm sure he's benefiting from Zuckerberg as much as Zuckerberg is benefiting from him.

It might not be on the same monetary scale of Subway's owner vs a subway sandwich maker, but it's still owner to employee.

He benefits from his employment no different than a worker in a socialistic economy benefits from his employment up to in until the time he becomes a equity owner in capitalism. You either work for somebody else’s gain as an employee or you have capitalism work in your favor by leveraging the work of others for your gain. It’s not a mutual benefit between employer and employee.

It’s designed as an inequitable Exchange but that inrquitable exchange encourages and becomes a catalyst to entrepreneurism. There’s nothing wrong with it, but recognize it for what it is. Don’t get confused at the employee get some benefit like a paycheck from his employment. That exists in any system… Communism, socialism, capitalism. That’s a common trait in any socioeconomic workplace. That’s not unique to capitalism. That’s the same everywhere, so by definition that cannot be attributed as a unique benefit of capitalism.

you cannot equate an owner conferring some benefit like a salary to an employee as a unique benefit of capitalism as that is inherent in any system.

Zuckerberg’s vice president earning more than the entry-level worker but less than Zuckerberg is also OK but also a good example of a division of labor. He shouldn’t earn what Zuckerberg earns because he didn’t start the company.

some people postulate that they both benefit equally from capitalism. That’s impossible because Zuckerberg is still making money off of his Vice Presidents labor. The vice president still serves at Zuckerberg’s pleasure and if he doesn’t like it he can quit and go out and start his own company. But that guy is still an employee and he can still be fired by Zuckerberg on a whim.

And I’m not proposing any of that is not OK and I’m not proposing that it should be equitable. I’m just highlighting it as what it is. Some people believe they have equally benefited from each other… That’s a fry cook has benefited from capitalism as much as the owner has. That’s just bullshit. That’s just pie in the sky capitalism cheerleaders not recognizing that the low level fry cook would garner basic benefits no matter what socioeconomic employment system he worked in.
 

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It’s not a mutual benefit between employer and employee.

This is the debate. Right here.

Yes, it is.

If someone decides to work for or with me, they do so in their own self-interest FIRST. They do so because they like the benefits of working for or with me more than they like the time and effort they trade for it.

Getting someone to work for my self-interest FIRST would be next to impossible. They would be engaged in charity with me as the beneficiary. I am NOT a good charitable cause.

“It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own self-interest. We address ourselves not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities, but of their advantages.” -Adam Smith
 
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So the question is… Does the fry cook benefit equally from capitalism as much as the owner does? If you answer yes to that question… Don’t vote for me.

I propose that capitalism requires low level labor. There’s nothing wrong with that, but the system needs ditchdiggers in order to work. The only difference is that the ditch digger in capitalism has the opportunity to rise up to be an owner.
 
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This is the debate. Right here.

Yes it is.

If someone decides to work for or with me, they do so in their own self-interest FIRST. They do so because they like the benefits of working for or with me more than they like the time and effort they trade for it.

Getting someone to work for my self-interest FIRST would be next to impossible. They would be engaged in charity with me as the beneficiary. I am NOT a good charitable cause.

Every single employee put your best interest over theirs. If their best interest was first they would require an equitable monetary split. Not that there is anything wrong with that, But a worker serves at the pleasure of the owner until such time as the worker becomes an equity stake holder. The worker makes money for the owner at the expense of the worker until the worker becomes the owner. That’s fundamentally what capitalism is, And what differentiates it from other socioeconomic work systems.
 

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That’s fundamentally what capitalism is, And what differentiates it from other socioeconomic work systems.

No, it isn't.

Capitalism is a win-win, mutually beneficial value exchange between two parties that CHOOSE to engage in that arrangement.
 

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Every single employee put your best interest over theirs.

No. They are putting their own needs first. An employee is 100% acting in their own self interest. Which includes the ability to quit or choose their employer.

They are the CEO of their own life. They took a job of THEIR choosing. THEY determined that the job they CHOOSE is in THEIR best interest or THEY would choose alternative employment.

None of this is up to their boss.
 
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No. They are putting their own needs first.

If they did then collectively they would rise up and take the owner out so that there was an equitable distribution of income. They are putting the owners interest first and trading that for a lesser conferred benefit. The yield their labor to the owners interests in exchange for a paycheck. If their own personal interest was first they could never work in that system.

which is why in socialism they all make the same. In communism they are forced to work for that wage. In capitalism, they work for a lesser wage but have the opportunity to pursue life, liberty, and happiness and are rewarded in association with their risk.
 

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No, it isn't.

Capitalism is a win-win, mutually beneficial value exchange between two parties that CHOOSE to engage in that arrangement.

That defines the exact four corners of this debate
 

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The only thing that sets capitalism apart is upward mobility... Freedom to become.

Short of that the same entry-level worker exists in any system. So the terms of his employment would not be an inherent benefit of capitalism.
 
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The only thing that sets capitalism apart is upward mobility... Freedom to become.

Short of that the same entry-level worker exists in any system. So the terms of his employment would not be an inherent benefit of capitalism.
The element of free choice changes everything. THAT is a a massive thing that sets capitalism apart.

An employee chooses a position for their own good weighing factors pertinent to themselves.
 

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@Kak @Vigilante

I quite enjoyed the debate on capitalism!

@Vigilante many of your words remind of communist propaganda. It alludes to workers being exploited by capitalists and wage slavery.

The existence of inequality does not imply or prove some are being taken advantage of, nor that profit is being created by the owner/boss at the expense of the worker.

Just because one has a direct boss, does not exclude serving themselves, as long as one has the choice of whom to call boss.

There are many companies even, that many people will find it a privilege to be able to work for. Which further adds support to the notion that working for a boss/company can very well coincide with serving one's self.

Obviously when one is the owner, they will be serving themselves even more so, but that does not mean a worker cannot also serve themselves.

And thus, it is indeed a win win situation, both for the employer, and the employee, even if the employer generates profit from the employee's time and labor.
 

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