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I Hate the Idea of Being Equal!

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I Hate the Idea of Being Equal!

I wrote this article last month and thought I'd share it with the Forum... Just some thoughts on success and equality...


I’m beginning to understand how out of step I am with the world these days. I’ve always spoken my mind. But, the PC (Politically Correct) crowd seem to have taken over the world around me. I’ve never been a “joiner” — even in my school days. My individualism and independent thinking have always been my hallmark. Now I have young people, a fraction of my age, telling me what I should say, and what subjects on which I must stay mum. Worse, these PC people are taking their caveats further. They are trying to tell me that my thinking is wrong. They have newer and better truths. They are creating a brave, new world. In their future utopia, everyone is going to be accepted for who they are. This acceptance does not endorse individuality. Instead, by correcting each person’s thinking, both social status and financial circumstances can be equalized. Uh????

When I hear this line of thinking, I must stop for a minute, and smile. I then get to ask them that age-old question, “Why?”

Why would anyone aspire to be equal? Would that equality rate them as being inescapably average? It’s like getting all Cs on one’s report card. Why would they accept being frozen in that quagmire of mediocrity? Don’t they want to change? They might want to strive to grow into being a better person.

Do these PC people like everyone in their world? Don’t they want to maintain the right to choose their friends and associates? Or, is their plan to just change the thinking of rouge people like me?

Drum roll, please. Here’s my huge question on the issue. If everyone is totally equal, then must they be cut with the same cookie cutter? Right? I imagine a scene where a bunch of clones, dressed in their uniforms, are all lined up. Wouldn’t that be boring? It’s like falling into a vat of vanilla ice cream. So much for diversity!

And, since you’re listening, here is my thought on equality. I believe that all humans are equal in one way. They each are given 24 hours a day. In every other way, we humans are remarkably unequal.

Every person must uncover his unique, tailor-made talents. Some of us are totally smart. Others are as dumb as a rock. Some people can run fast, while others can’t walk. There are those who have common sense and street smarts. And where were some of us hiding when the gift of common sense was handed out?

Humans are like Swiss cheese. They perfect one aspect of life, without addressing the many holes in their skill sets and knowledge. Once upon a time, when I was young, I was a trophy wife. It was a classic situation where a powerful man married a much younger woman to show off his esteemed position. My husband was a recognized genius in his profession. But he couldn’t deal with many other basic issues. I had to supervise him as he dressed, tied his shoes, and left for work. On his own, he arrived perpetually late, attired in yesterday’s dirty shirt. He was a member of the “mixed-up-shoe-gang” before it was trendy to wear unmatched shoes and socks. This accomplished man was a perfect example of our human struggles in our inherent dichotomy of equity.

Overwhelmingly, being equal is only an illusion.

That said, regardless of our endless differences, I admit to the one stellar point of human equality. We do all have those precious 24 hours each day. See, I can find a small spark of agreement with the PC crowd. Amazing.
 
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OMG, you just voiced an opinion that is contrary to mainstream opinion. The thought police won't be happy with you...

Opinion(yours) != Opinion(Mainstream);
call function reprogram();
reprogram == True; then {
print smile;}
reprogram == False; then {
Scream "RACIST! BIGOT! XENOPHOBE!"
 
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My compliments on this @WJK

Great post.

"Nothing is so unequal as the equal treatment of unequal people."
-Thomas Jefferson

“The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal.”
-Aristotle
 
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Not sure what you're complaining about to be honest.

People have a sense of what is just and un-just, and most people want the world to be "just" or "equal".

If you were walking down the street with a friend, you were both doing nothing wrong and for some reason police picked on you and started harassing you while your friend got no hassle what so ever, then why wouldn't you have a problem with being pick'd on and treated unfairly ?

If the society is set up so that 1% of the population own more than the other 99% combined, people will think that's not just/fair and will prefer the wealth was more equally distributed.

Let's say you were a child and you had a sibling. If your mother decided to share a cake she bought from the store in such a way that you got 10% of it, while your sibling (let's say your twin) got 90% of it, would you think that was fair? Would you really not have a problem with the inequality shown by your parent?

Bit of an extreme example:

In the real world there is a difference in the amount of tenacity, leadership, skills, wisdom and work ethic associated with that discrepancy.

Socialists love to make people think it’s this simple. Case in point... I would expect anyone who believes such a simpleton metaphor to be part of the “99 percent.” For crying out loud. Your example blows.
 
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The thing about the PC crowd these days is they do not want equality - but special privileges (for certain groups). And, the whole "equality thinking" as opposed to the individual, is just to make everyone very easy to brainwash and control. This is the mechanism dictators, governments, and cult leaders - to name a few - have used to control the masses since the beginning of time. The equal thinking and group mentality destroys the individuals' identity and takes their power away.
 

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Great post. It's something that has been on my mind for a long time.

An excellent book on the subject is "Equal Is Unfair" by Don Watkins.

One thing they touch on in the book is that the only equality that should exist is Political Equality. What they mean by this is that the laws of the country should apply to everyone equally. There shouldn't be special laws or exemptions for certain groups of people. Everyone must abide by the exact same laws.
From there everything else in life is un-equal. And that's fair.

I tend to agree with this view.

What are your thoughts?
 

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I thank God none of us is equal and routinely get in trouble with the PC crowd and HR. All this equality crap is sickening. We should embrace our differences and use those wider range of strengths to raise us even further. No wonder Atlas Shrugged.
 
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More and more graduates are driving on demand taxis. This is the new normal.

This isn't the new normal. Its always been this way.

Read about the Great Depression or Ethnic Cleansing during WWII. People lost everything. and a few gained a lot. Many not only lost jobs, but lost their businesses and some lost their freedom.

Economies change. Societies change. Countries change.

Because my economy or my society or my country changes does not mean that it is the new normal FOR EVERYONE.

It is only about a mind shift for most.

There are always opportunities.
 

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Not sure what you're complaining about to be honest.

People have a sense of what is just and un-just, and most people want the world to be "just" or "equal".

If you were walking down the street with a friend, you were both doing nothing wrong and for some reason police picked on you and started harassing you while your friend got no hassle what so ever, then why wouldn't you have a problem with being pick'd on and treated unfairly ?

If the society is set up so that 1% of the population own more than the other 99% combined, people will think that's not just/fair and will prefer the wealth was more equally distributed.

Let's say you were a child and you had a sibling. If your mother decided to share a cake she bought from the store in such a way that you got 10% of it, while your sibling (let's say your twin) got 90% of it, would you think that was fair? Would you really not have a problem with the inequality shown by your parent?
Haven't you ever heard of the 80/20 principle? Even if you divide everything up equally, the 20% will have their 80% in no time flat. And 20% of that 20 % will have their 80% of that original 80%.
Socialist think that they can divide up the wealth and make everyone better -- while it really makes everyone poorer. That's why we're all here in this Forum -- we're all looking for our 80% a couple of levels up the food chain.
And I'm not going to make any bones about it. I have done better than a bunch of people around me. Do I feel sorry for the "have-nots?" They weren't there working next to me all those 60 and 70 hour weeks, year after year. They weren't sitting next to me while took all those classes and got that education, which allowed me to work smarter.
 
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Thank you for your insight.

I guess I must be an idiot because I believe in just treatment and equal treatment. Of course I don't think someone that provides $1000 worth of value should be given the same as someone that is able to provide $100,000 worth.

I do believe if two people both provide $1000 dollars worth of value and the only difference is that one is of a different race, gender, religion, sexual orientation etc. then there shouldn't be any difference in pay or treatment.

You can hide behind ambiguous things like tenacity, leadership, skills, wisdom and work ethic - and come up with all the excuses in the world, but in my world its just plain not fair/unjust/unequal and wrong.

For example America's solution for the drug problem in the 80s that mainly affected black Americans VS America's solution for the drug problem now that its mainly affecting the white community. Not to get into politics - but to me its black and white, its wrong and the law should treat people equally. If locking people up for using drugs was good enough for black American's then I don't see why white Americans shouldn't be locked up in the millions when they use drugs at the same rate as African Americans while being 5x the populous of black Americans.
You are assuming that the differences are based upon "a different race, gender, religion, sexual orientation etc." Compared to years ago, we've come a long way on these issues. BUT, life is never fair for anyone -- life is good anyway. I accept it's unjust nature. I am NOT a victim of anything! My life belongs to me and I'm responsible for every moment of it. Sorry you're not into that mindset. You have a handicap in your thinking that will be hard to overcome.
 

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Thank you for your insight.

I guess I must be an idiot because I believe in just treatment and equal treatment. Of course I don't think someone that provides $1000 worth of value should be given the same as someone that is able to provide $100,000 worth.

I do believe if two people both provide $1000 dollars worth of value and the only difference is that one is of a different race, gender, religion, sexual orientation etc. then there shouldn't be any difference in pay or treatment.

You can hide behind ambiguous things like tenacity, leadership, skills, wisdom and work ethic - and come up with all the excuses in the world, but in my world its just plain not fair/unjust/unequal and wrong.

For example America's solution for the drug problem in the 80s that mainly affected black Americans VS America's solution for the drug problem now that its mainly affecting the white community. Not to get into politics - but to me its black and white, its wrong and the law should treat people equally. If locking people up for using drugs was good enough for black American's then I don't see why white Americans shouldn't be locked up in the millions when they use drugs at the same rate as African Americans while being 5x the populous of black Americans.

Where's the tenacity, leadership, skills, wisdom and work ethic in that? I just don't see it. That's why I said let's just agree to disagree.

You are using a strawman argument. Now you’re touting racial differences when you originally were bitching about wealth distribution. Tenacity, leadership, skills, wisdom and work ethic absolutely matter to wealth distribution... Unlike “cake” distribution.

Why are there more blacks in prison? Well, because they commit more crimes than whites... Yeah I know, facts make me “racist.”
 

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Not sure what you're complaining about to be honest.

People have a sense of what is just and un-just, and most people want the world to be "just" or "equal".

If you were walking down the street with a friend, you were both doing nothing wrong and for some reason police picked on you and started harassing you while your friend got no hassle what so ever, then why wouldn't you have a problem with being pick'd on and treated unfairly ?

If the society is set up so that 1% of the population own more than the other 99% combined, people will think that's not just/fair and will prefer the wealth was more equally distributed.

Let's say you were a child and you had a sibling. If your mother decided to share a cake she bought from the store in such a way that you got 10% of it, while your sibling (let's say your twin) got 90% of it, would you think that was fair? Would you really not have a problem with the inequality shown by your parent?

Couple of example:
Thank you for your insight.

I guess I must be an idiot because I believe in just treatment and equal treatment. Of course I don't think someone that provides $1000 worth of value should be given the same as someone that is able to provide $100,000 worth.

I do believe if two people both provide $1000 dollars worth of value and the only difference is that one is of a different race, gender, religion, sexual orientation etc. then there shouldn't be any difference in pay or treatment.

You can hide behind ambiguous things like tenacity, leadership, skills, wisdom and work ethic - and come up with all the excuses in the world, but in my world its just plain not fair/unjust/unequal and wrong.

For example America's solution for the drug problem in the 80s that mainly affected black Americans VS America's solution for the drug problem now that its mainly affecting the white community. Not to get into politics - but to me its black and white, its wrong and the law should treat people equally. If locking people up for using drugs was good enough for black American's then I don't see why white Americans shouldn't be locked up in the millions when they use drugs at the same rate as African Americans while being 5x the populous of black Americans.

Where's the tenacity, leadership, skills, wisdom and work ethic in that? I just don't see it. That's why I said let's just agree to disagree.
I don't think you grasped @WJK's post.

She's not talking about being treated equally by the justice system.
 
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Immanuel Kant is the guy who set this trend in motion when he convinced legions of bored aristocrats that "the good" is "whatever society says it is".

For these people, words ARE facts. He took "the word of God" and replaced it with "the word of society", implying that people create reality.

So when you say something that contradicts what they believe, it's like you are creating an entire reality that contradicts them. As far as their emotions are concerned, you're literally tearing their world apart.

It's all twisted up with the childish belief that you can have whatever you want if "the boss" makes it so, so they're also trying to scream louder than you so that daddy government creates THEIR utopia, and not yours.
 
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My view is simple. In the game of wealth luck is real. It is the general rule not an exception. Trying to say every financially successful people became where they are because of intellect or hardwork is trying to impose your own morality on the universe which does not care.

Hardwork and creating value of course are very important. But they are important in covering your downside rather than predicting the upside. if someone is a sidewalker it is likely entirely his or her own fault. Most lucky episodes requires a minimum amount of Hardwork too.

If you live in decent country with decent opportuntiy, and work your a$$ off on a business or a career, and provided you are not too unlucky (no traffic accident or critical illness), I believe that it is highly likely to attain 1-2 million dollars of net worth (excluding the house you live in). But how fast can you do that and how fat can you go beyond that really depends a lot on luck.
Bullshit. Anyone putting 10k per year into a 401k @ 7% for 35 years would amass around $1.5M. It’s luck that you actually return 7% year after year.

Building a $20M company in 10 years isn’t luck. It’s about having the best product you can, understanding your customer better than anyone else, mastering sales and marketing, and understanding the fundamental mathematics behind why this all works. All of this requires hard work. Luck isn’t part of the equation.

Luck is just an excuse used by people who won’t do it. Rather than hurt their ego and accept that they weren’t willing to do what it takes, they can just blame “luck.”

Look! Mark Cuban said he got lucky! I guess I didn’t get lucky... that why I’m still broke. Not because I didn’t keep trying year after year... nope, not my fault. Mark Cuban said it was luck.
 

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The VC does that because they cannot predict the winners and they largely know that it is outside the control of anyone.

No, you are missing the entire point... They don't do this because they can't predict the winners... They do this because they can predict their own success with this model.

Elon musk is an outlier that you are using to represent all entrepreneurs.

The average billionaire/pentamillionaire became that way by taking calculated risks and reevaluating every time they failed. How is that different than the VC firm?
 
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I have only one thing to say here:

“A society that puts equality before freedom will get neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both.”

― Milton Friedman

I'll prefer freedom any day over equality.
 
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Nope. Agree to disagree, keep it moving bud.

I disagree to agreeing to disagree. It isn’t really a disagreement. It is one side acknowledging fact and the other side making irrelevant comparisons.

You can’t just drive by with idiocy and not expect objection.
 
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Here is the truth. People (all people) discriminate. I have been discriminated at jobs and in the housing market (and I am not part of the "victim class" either). The system or country is not racist. It is individuals and groups that are. For instance, I can go to a certain part of California and I would be discriminated against. If I go to another region of the US, I won't. That is the reality.

The one thing I learned is that since I have gone the entreprenuerial route I don't have these issues. I provide value and people pay me for it. Identity politics are not involved.

The irony is that there is this narrative of certain groups not getting equal treatment and it is because they have opporessors. But the truth is, it is actually inverted as these "victims" are the privileged ones. And they keep lobbying for more privileges. That is where the inequality really is. As far as I know, every citizen in the US has the same rights - but some have special privileges. If the system was rigged, you would never see minority/POC politicians, athletes, celebrities, business owners, etc. Kinda breaks down the lies and myths.

As far as income equality, that is a different issue. Believe it or not, most people are probably in the center. For instance, I support capitalism but do believe there needs to be a little socialism to balance it out. I do not support trickle down economics, etc. When it comes to this particular issue I am in the center. No way is it fair to take wealthy peoples' money and give it to the lazy or unskilled people.

Let me tell you a fact: If you took all the wealth from the wealthy people and gave it all to the poor, it would wind up back in the hands of the wealthy again. There is a reason why this is true. If you're smart you will know why.
I agree with you. Things have changed a lot during my lifetime. When I became an adult women, we couldn't qualify to buy a house or have a credit card. In 1974 the Fair Credit Act became law giving us economic rights. I've lived in areas where the races were segregated and hate was the normal. I've lived and worked through 5 business cycles. Some of those downs were really bad. And, in the end, I've found a way to be successful. There are reasons why some people can do it and others can't. Everyone has challenges and trials. Life is not easy nor fair. But, I'm happy to report that I'm still here!
 
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And where were some of us hiding when the gift of common sense was handed out?

When God said brains some people thought he said trains and got the F*ck out of the way.

Great article. The reality is, like it or not, some people are born with more ability, more drive, more potential. Shame on them if they don’t achieve to their highest level, and shame on anybody else for thinking it isn’t fair that they are different.
 

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Overwhelmingly, being equal is only an illusion.

PREACH!

The PC you refer to as well as many other movements that have been taken over by people who lack the knowledge or in dept thinking capacity harming the original causes that bring light to issues we weren't aware off decades ago and are being dismantled as we speak.
I feel a huge part economically, politically and socially is to have enough self awareness and "healthy" curiosity to ask questions regarding to programming, collective belief systems and living standards.

Last week I wrote a little thing about "fairness" which kind of connects to this:

"Personally for me the biggest brainwashing that I had to unlearn is the concept of things being fair.
The promise of heaven, if we just suffer enough and "pay" up front, slaving away towards a good feeling.

Realizing that it's a part of a spectrum we as humans have labelled and expecting such moral consequences upon life.
Good people get sick, little kids dying, one get's hurt.
And no matter how hard we seem to try as humans, the illusion of "heaven" remains lingering. Waiting to catch a break.

While everything around us is showings it's clear evidence that no such SIMPLE mechanism is present.

And if there is, it would be far to complex for our human ant brain to comprehend and understand.

I don't think there is such thing as fairness. I think feeling good is a BIRTH RIGHT but we have been taught otherwise, not knowing how to act upon it.
Midnight Brain farts - Undoing of Programs"


I too, feel that equality is a delusion and based on a personal entitlement, like @GlobalWealth had pointed out in the post too.

Long story short:
I think Personal responsibility is where it's at, while maintaining a "realistic" global view.

Great post
 

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All of this luck philosophy is coming from a guy that wants to run cost benefit analysis on having children only so they can wipe his a$$ and put cream on his bed sores when he's old.

He also thinks women hit "peak value" at age 23.

So... I wouldn't worry too much about what @Kevin88660 says... he's got a screw loose.

Help. Girl Issues.
 

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My agreement or disagreement on "equality" depends on the person's definition.

As an African American, I don't think I'm entitled to any special treatment by virtue of this fact.
However, I also don't think I should be denied a basic free and fair playing ground either.

So individually, I believe true "equality" means a level playing field for everyone to give it their best shot.
NOT a systemic restructuring to elevate those who don't merit it, and downward stifle those who put in the work.
 

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Thank you for your interesting and well thought out post.

What in your opinion has still yet to change?

On paper everything looks okay to me.
The problems that persist are driven at individual levels. Unfortunately, individuals are responsible for upholding, or not upholding basic tenets or laws.

Honestly, I try not to dwell on these things, and channel that energy into creating the best possible outcomes for myself.
It's easy to get caught up in being outraged about everything, to the point your own life passes you by.
 

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I believe this belief system of equality stems from those that believe (and were raised) that participation trophies are the only acceptable way of playing the game (of life).

"There isn't one winner. We are all winners" mentality

But aren't we equally all losers?
 

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Thank you for your insight.

I guess I must be an idiot because I believe in just treatment and equal treatment. Of course I don't think someone that provides $1000 worth of value should be given the same as someone that is able to provide $100,000 worth.

I do believe if two people both provide $1000 dollars worth of value and the only difference is that one is of a different race, gender, religion, sexual orientation etc. then there shouldn't be any difference in pay or treatment.

You can hide behind ambiguous things like tenacity, leadership, skills, wisdom and work ethic - and come up with all the excuses in the world, but in my world its just plain not fair/unjust/unequal and wrong.

For example America's solution for the drug problem in the 80s that mainly affected black Americans VS America's solution for the drug problem now that its mainly affecting the white community. Not to get into politics - but to me its black and white, its wrong and the law should treat people equally. If locking people up for using drugs was good enough for black American's then I don't see why white Americans shouldn't be locked up in the millions when they use drugs at the same rate as African Americans while being 5x the populous of black Americans.

Where's the tenacity, leadership, skills, wisdom and work ethic in that? I just don't see it. That's why I said let's just agree to disagree.

Here is the truth. People (all people) discriminate. I have been discriminated at jobs and in the housing market (and I am not part of the "victim class" either). The system or country is not racist. It is individuals and groups that are. For instance, I can go to a certain part of California and I would be discriminated against. If I go to another region of the US, I won't. That is the reality.

The one thing I learned is that since I have gone the entreprenuerial route I don't have these issues. I provide value and people pay me for it. Identity politics are not involved.

The irony is that there is this narrative of certain groups not getting equal treatment and it is because they have opporessors. But the truth is, it is actually inverted as these "victims" are the privileged ones. And they keep lobbying for more privileges. That is where the inequality really is. As far as I know, every citizen in the US has the same rights - but some have special privileges. If the system was rigged, you would never see minority/POC politicians, athletes, celebrities, business owners, etc. Kinda breaks down the lies and myths.

As far as income equality, that is a different issue. Believe it or not, most people are probably in the center. For instance, I support capitalism but do believe there needs to be a little socialism to balance it out. I do not support trickle down economics, etc. When it comes to this particular issue I am in the center. No way is it fair to take wealthy peoples' money and give it to the lazy or unskilled people.

Let me tell you a fact: If you took all the wealth from the wealthy people and gave it all to the poor, it would wind up back in the hands of the wealthy again. There is a reason why this is true. If you're smart you will know why.
 
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I agree with you. Things have changed a lot during my lifetime. When I became an adult women, we couldn't qualify to buy a house or have a credit card. In 1974 the Fair Credit Act became law giving us economic rights. I've lived in areas where the races were segregated and hate was the normal. I've lived and worked through 5 business cycles. Some of those downs were really bad. And, in the end, I've found a way to be successful. There are reasons why some people can do it and others can't. Everyone has challenges and trials. Life is not easy nor fair. But, I'm happy to report that I'm still here!

I remember when I was a single-digit-aged kid, my mom couldn't adopt a cat without "her husband's permission." Have you seen a lady levitate off the ground as a result of outrage? Not that my dad was a bad guy, he was great! He was just out of town. I was glad we got out without maiming anyone. She could own a business (she had to fight for part of that too), but not adopt a cat on her own, really?
 

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