I Hate Doctors, Man..

[jon.a]

I think as business people, we're just hyper-sensitive to sales pitches. I analyze way too many things.

 

[MidwestLandlord]

If it wasn't for some badass doctors in my life when I was younger, I'd be dead.

I hear ya, but I also disagree. It's a business like any other.

Now, cosmetic surgeons that prey on insecurities? Yeah, scum for sure.

 

[Scot]

Yeah no.. I'm going to disagree with you. As someone who's married to a fantastic vet and just watched her suffer through school..

First off, how much money do you think Vets make? I mean, they're always pushing stuff at the clinic, they must be rich right? Average starting salary for a vet is $65,000. My wife spent $300,000 plus on in state tuition. Veterinarians have one of the worst debt-income ratios for professionals.

Do you know what the average MD makes? In my area, around $130,000 and their school for public institution is less expensive.

Also, veterinarians typically LOSE money on vaccines.

Are there bad vets? Sure. But the majority of them are doctors who genuinely care about the health of their patient.

I listen daily to my wife cry about patients that get shitty quality of life because their owners won't do a certain procedure or take her professional advice because google says you can just give them an aspirin (which kills dogs btw).

So yeah, your vet actually wanted the best quality of life for your pet, but you're mentally conditioned to think anything with a dollar amount is a sales pitch.

Oh, also Vets are the top 5 suicide rates by profession.


I get that you're trying to joke about it, forgive me if I take it personal.

 

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[Waspy]

Read "I hate doctors"
Clicked link
Read "I just came back from the vet"
Insert uncontrollable laughter.

 

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[MidwestLandlord]

Someone seriously messed up when they called them "Veterinarian" and not a "Dogter"

Haha

 

[G-Man]

My wife goes on these rants all the time, vaccines, the pharma industry, whatever.

All I can say is that profit motive, for whatever else it lacks, is sure to bring some competence into the equation.

I go to church with nice people. I have nice people over to my house for dinner. If somebody is cutting my body open, all I want is competence. I want the dude who's self-interest is to keep me alive, even if only so I can pay his bills.

 

[G-Man]

It's frustrating because the stakes are so high, but some of the problem is frame of reference. In the scope of human history as a whole, it was up until about 5 minutes ago that people were dying from shit that can be cured with like $5 in antibiotics now. Gratitude is the key to sanity.

Also, if something pisses you off, odds are it pisses other people off too, and what you're really seeing is an opportunity to add value for others.

Just sayin'.

 

[Vigilante]

You can hate doctors all you want, but when it is 2AM and you have a ruptured appendix, you might like them.

Everyone is a believer in a foxhole.

 

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[MidwestLandlord]

Doctors, cops, and lawyers;

Everybody hates them...until they need one.

 

[lewj24]

You can argue that a lot of prescription drugs are a waste of money and only mask symptoms instead of fixing the root of the problem (usually diet and exercise).

Some are legit though, I had shingles once and needed a huge pill to get rid of it.

 

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[Waspy]

Now, cosmetic surgeons that prey on insecurities? Yeah, scum for sure.

My dentist does this. Hate it.

Go in for a checkup and he asks "So are you happy with your smile? It would be pretty easy to fix xyz"

"I didn't even know xyz was a problem"

"Oh it's not, it would just make your smile nicer"

"Then get back to your job of keeping me healthy!"*

*Obviously don't say this, but it winds me up. I'm not in the least insecure, but he does the same to my sister, who could certainly do without being told her "smile could be better"

 

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[Ninjakid]

The cure for cancer already exists but it's not good for business so it doesn't exist.

I highly doubt this. Curing cancer involves extensive manipulation of the human genome, something modern science has just recently begun to understand, let alone try and manipulate.

I agree that pharma companies wouldn't be thrilled about many of their drugs becoming obsolete, but the notion that they have the cure for cancer locked up in a vault in one of these company's headquarters sounds ludicrous.

 

[jon.a]

If it wasn't for some badass doctors in my life ...

Oh yeah, I owe my life to my Cardiologist.

 

[G-Man]

 

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[G-Man]

It only costs about $0.68 to fix that problem.

You're paying too much. You need a new ammo guy.

 

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[G-Man]

Doctors, cops, and lawyers;

Everybody hates them...until they need one.

I hate lawyers even more when I need them. Bastards.

Vultures play their role in the carbon cycle, but it doesn't mean anyone's ever happy to see one.

 

[JAJT]

Say what you will about the Canadian healthcare system, but I've never once been offered anything extra by any doctor I've gone to. Hell I had to twist the arm of a doctor to get antibiotics for my son last year.

Vets though? Yeah, I love animals but I'm not going to lie when I say that vet bills on a previous pet is a main reason I currently don't own an animal.

 

[Get Right]

Honestly, I would take my vet's health advice over my general physician...for me.

 

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[happybhoy]

Its dentists we should be hating on

 

[Nathan Monroe]

your cat just ate half a skein of yarn. It's impacted and will die. Who's obligation is it to fix this problem?

Who's responsible for footing the bill?

All most clients see is that they're being charged $2,000 for a surgery.

This may just be the Tennessean in me, but cats are assholes. It only costs about $0.68 to fix that problem.

(Before anyone gets mad, please understand I am kidding.)

 

[thinkandgrowrich]

I think as business people, we're just hyper-sensitive to sales pitches. I analyze way too many things.

You're right, we can see right through their bullshit now

If it wasn't for some badass doctors in my life when I was younger, I'd be dead.

I hear ya, but I also disagree. It's a business like any other.

Now, cosmetic surgeons that prey on insecurities? Yeah, scum for sure.

You're one of the lucky ones, I've encountered scummy money hungry doctors for the most part.

They treat you like commodities and not human beings. It's one thing if this were a lawyer, but your health is the important thing you have in life. And for someone to exploit you on that, that's as low as it gets.

One time I went to two dermatologist for this rash I was having an issue with. The first one I went to prescribed me this expensive a$$ medicine and kept insisting I come back for a useless follow-up.

After weeks of using that medicine and seeing no improvement I went to another dermatologist. This dude was like hey you're fine, it'll go away by itself and you should stop using that medicine. I shook his hand and thanked him so much, doctors like that are rare.

If you have a good and honest doctor, cherish him.

 

[Scot]

I said I was speaking in general terms, I don't know anything about your wife lol. This is based on my personal experience and most who live around me

But I don't understand your argument, so because they made a CHOICE to go to college and get into debt its ok for them to treat clients like commodities and try to make as much money as possible from them, rather than giving them the treatment that they or whoever is being treated needs?

That's not fair or reasonable.

We're talking about our health and the health of our loved ones, not a store or a car.

First, my wife could give two shits about money. She grew up dirt poor and went to school to become a doctor to pursue her passion, to help animals. She has no desire to make money, hence why I bust my a$$ to provide for our family. I think it's admirable.

And you PERCEIVE that they're trying to make money. I'll play devils advocate... your cat just ate half a skein of yarn. It's impacted and will die. Who's obligation is it to fix this problem?

Who's responsible for footing the bill?

When I see that surgery is needed I see cost: anesthesia, cost for technician, cost for surgical supplies, cost for recovery meds. All most clients see is that they're being charged $2,000 for a surgery. Do you know what that same surgery costs in human medicine? At least $15,000.

The difference between vet and human medicine is insurance. Insurance foots the bill for treatment, so the price has become inflated. In vet med, they charge at cost for most things.

Most surgeries are a loss for vets also.

 

[luniac]

The cure for cancer already exists but it's not good for business so it doesn't exist.

 

[healthstatus]

Telemedicine and menu based calls will minimize some of these. Hard to slide you into another test when you are on the phone and not in person. Menu based will allow you to "prepay" at a reduced rate for a specific service, up to you to say no to the add ons. (Actually, always up to you to say no to the add ons.) When a doctor suggests an additional test for me or my family, our question is, how will that test affect what treatment protocol you will follow today? If they don't have an explanation that the results would definitely change their course of action, then the test is not necessary, just billable.

 

[G-Man]

I agree that pharma companies wouldn't be thrilled about many of their drugs becoming obsolete, but the notion that they have the cure for cancer locked up in a vault in one of these company's headquarters sounds ludicrous.

You must be on the payroll at Big Pharma. I've seen the cure. Some guys on youtube infiltrated the secret mountain hideout where they keep it.

 

[amp0193]

First off, how much money do you think Vets make? I mean, they're always pushing stuff at the clinic, they must be rich right? Average starting salary for a vet is $65,000. My wife spent $300,000 plus on in state tuition. Veterinarians have one of the worst debt-income ratios for professionals.

This seems to be supporting the main point of the OP. I would think that this scenario would create an incentive for a vet to create more billable, non-essential line-items.

For the record, I think the OP is ridiculous for referring to vets as "evil scum" and don't really appreciate the tone he's set in this thread.


Also, for the record, I was ripped off by an emergency vet a few months ago, and paid $500 more than I probably should have. I let him sucker me, and there wasn't a gun to my head, so I'll take the blame and can't fault the guy for being a business owner. So, it does happen.

 

[MidwestLandlord]

I hate lawyers even more when I need them. Bastards.

Vultures play their role in the carbon cycle, but it doesn't mean anyone's ever happy to see one.

My attorney just got me out of a "declare bankruptcy and go live under a bridge" level of fine from the EPA so...sometimes I'm really happy to see him lol.

(which is also why I've been on here less, sort of busy putting out fires)

 

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[MidwestLandlord]

I kind of regret saying this now. Last week our firm gave us a meeting with 3 lawyers representing about 1,200 in billable time for free to help us with our current fire.

Haha, bad attorneys give the good one's a bad reputation.

Now contingency fee lawyers? Yeah, total scum. "I'll sue that hospital/doctor/business/insurance company for free! All you have to do is give me 60% of the settlement. Go to trial? What? No, I don't do that. Settlement or GTFO"

Legalized blackmail.

 

[Choate]

Back when I had my wisdom teeth taken out, I also had an impacted molar removed which left a gap between two molars in the top right section of my teeth.

For the past 2.5 years, I've had braces on to correct various overcrowding and misalignment of my teeth.

My ortho has subtly been pushing me to get an implant at a dentist she has referred me to (and this dentist also referred me to the orthodontist) in order to fill this space once the braces are off.

The other option is a bridge, which is a poor choice to go because it has to grind down good teeth, but is also less expensive than an implant.

Ever since I started braces treatment and my ortho mentioned this implant as "necessary", I've been looking for ways around it.

It wasn't until less visit that I found the crack in her armor - "you don't want to be wearing retainers 24/7 do you?"

Ha, yes I do. Much rather retainers than take on a high cost, complicated procedure of having nasal lift, implanting a titanium screw into my jaw and hoping that my jaw accepts it, 6 months of visits to the dentist to get this done alone and being out of a giant chunk of change.

I feel since I had gotten into a casual conversation with her and was asking questions, she let this slip.

The key to your problems with doctors may be needing to get on a personal level with one doctor and see them over and over. A good family doctor who knows you and remembers you.

Other than that, if you have insurance, absolutely nothing wrong with follow up appointments and checkups.

 

[thinkandgrowrich]

They call themselves doctors? lol

My mind was blown too lol