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Maybe you're right. But 5-10 years for having funds to supply you for the next 5-10 years. WOW. Probably, I have a wrong mindset.

What are you talking about 5-10 years?

This was 5 weeks.

At $100/hr a standard 40 hour work week becomes almost $200,000.

Even half of that is $100,000.

If you can't start a business with that, then you definitely have the wrong mindset.

Anyway, the fastlane isn't just about money, it's about freedom.

Since I only have a few thousand in business debt, this amount is more than enough to 100% secure my freedom.
 
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Maybe you're right. But 5-10 years for having funds to supply you for the next 5-10 years. WOW. Probably, I have a wrong mindset.
I don't understand
Your not supplying yourself for 5-10 years. Your supplying yourself for NOW, for TODAY
You take the money you make from freelancing and pay for your living expenses then put it into your business. It's not a 5-10 year process. It's happening now.
 

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I have 1 question. Why many smart people go to odesk, freelancer, fiverr and etc to work for other guys? I don't say it's bad, i just always think it's better working for myself. Maybe it's a reason why I'm not a fastlaner yet.lol

With your mindset your not even on the sidewalk... You think kids can just finish school and work for themselves? without money? without skills?
You have to earn your way like MJ had to work a Limo job before he saw a need and filled it.
Where are your experiences, knowledge and passions if you have never worked or done anything except work for yourself?

What kind of working for yourself have you been doing? @Grinning-Jack
 

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What do you consider working for yourself?

I'm sitting at home in my PJ's Skype chatting with CEOs of multi-million dollar companies.

Not only that, but they're coming to me for help, not the other way around.

On that note, do you think money is the only opportunity here?
As Carlos. o have funds to supply for your life while your not in the fastlane.
Sounds like a man should work on odesk 5-10 years to save up money for living while he'll build own fastlane project. OK. I agree I was wrong when i wrote 5-10 years. probably just 1 or 2 years on odesk.
 
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I don't understand
Your not supplying yourself for 5-10 years. Your supplying yourself for NOW, for TODAY
You take the money you make from freelancing and pay for your living expenses then put it into your business. It's not a 5-10 year process. It's happening now.
And it isn't a fastlane; it's a daily job.
 

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And it isn't a fastlane; it's a daily job.

You are confused about what the fastlane is and what it means.

You are also confused about the difference between a job and a self-owned business.

The thing is, it doesn't matter what business we pursue.

We never truly work for our self.

Selling ecommerce = must sell something customers are willing to buy.
Selling real-estate = must give home-buyers what they're looking for.
Selling ebooks = must give readers the experience they want.
Selling an invention = must invent something people need or care about.
Selling yourself (basketball player) = fans must love you or else you're not worth anything.

In any business if you fail to give customers what they want, then the business fails too.

It doesn't matter what business it is.

We always work for someone else.

To not work for someone else means playing the lottery or slots and hoping for an event.

There's no business where we don't work for some person in some way.

The only difference between a job & a business is our freedom to choose who we work for and how we work for them.

What makes it fastlane is having freedom of choice.

Even if I stop freelancing right now, I won't be broke or homeless tomorrow.

I can pay for all of my bills for the foreseeable future, and I can make money anytime I want.

I am no longer a slave to any employer.

The fastlane isn't just about money. It's about freedom.
 

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With your mindset your not even on the sidewalk... You think kids can just finish school and work for themselves? without money? without skills?
You have to earn your way like MJ had to work a Limo job before he saw a need and filled it.
Where are your experiences, knowledge and passions if you have never worked or done anything except work for yourself?

What kind of working for yourself have you been doing? @Grinning-Jack
I make online sales; buy items and then resell the items. no fastlaner yet.
 
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I have 1 question. Why many smart people go to odesk, freelancer, fiverr and etc to work for other guys? I don't say it's bad, i just always think it's better working for myself. Maybe it's a reason why I'm not a fastlaner yet.lol

While I'm not really making anything yet, here's my plan.

Some of the funds will be directed to my primary focus of writing books. I can use the money from oDesk to help pay things off. Right now, I need to fax something, but no fax machine. So, I'm using oDesk to help pay for the gas to get me there, the faxing fee, and then I can use some more to possibly purchase a cover (or make my own).

I live with my family, so I'd save a lot more on other routine costs like rent, utilities, etc..., meaning I can spend more on myself (diet, books, etc...), savings (I still have zero idea how taxes work, so a lot of the savigns will likely go to that), and then my business.

And, should my writing hit a stall, I'll always have a backup with oDesk, considering the reputation I'd be able to build up from the other clients who can guarantee the quality of my work.

If I really hit the grindstone, I love the idea that I could be financially independent in about a year's time, with the resources to move out and do my own thing.

I suppose it's technically slowlane (I haven't read the book), but if I can even reach half the success that @SinisterLex has ($50/hour), I'd be doing better than everyone I went to school with, and the majority of the friends I've made online. And in record time.
 

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You are confused about what the fastlane is and what it means.

You are also confused about the difference between a job and a self-owned business.

The thing is, it doesn't matter what business we pursue.

We never truly work for our self.

Selling ecommerce = must sell something customers are willing to buy.
Selling real-estate = must give home-buyers what they're looking for.
Selling ebooks = must give readers the experience they want.
Selling an invention = must invent something people need or care about.
Selling yourself (basketball player) = fans must love you or else you're not worth anything.

In any business if you fail to give customers what they want, then the business fails too.

It doesn't matter what business it is.

We always work for someone else.

To not work for someone else means playing the lottery or slots and hoping for an event.

There's no business where we don't work for some person in some way.

The only difference between a job & a business is our freedom to choose who we work for and how we work for them.

What makes it fastlane is having freedom of choice.

Even if I stop freelancing right now, I won't be broke or homeless tomorrow.

I can pay for all of my bills for the foreseeable future, and I can make money anytime I want.

I am no longer a slave to any employer.

The fastlane isn't just about money. It's about freedom.
Freedom of what? OK. My freedom costs 10-15.000.000 bucks. You can't earn this money on odesk.
 

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Freedom of what? OK. My freedom costs 10-15.000.000 bucks. You can't earn this money on odesk.

He's right you have to have a business that is hands off from day one so you avoid doing any work while simultaneously making 100 million a month... otherwise you are just a loser sidewalker...


Lol, it's called process dude, small steps lead to bigger steps.
Keep up the good work Lex
 
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Freedom of what? OK. My freedom costs 10-15.000.000 bucks. You can't earn this money on odesk.

Then perhaps you shouldn't use Odesk to achieve your freedom.

But you asked why other smart people use Odesk.

Your definition of freedom is not the same as everyone else's.

From my perspective you haven't actually defined freedom for yourself. You've defined a dollar amount that you believe will be enough to keep you from having to work again in the future. That's great.

Everyone who bets on the lottery believes the exact same thing.

"If only I had 15 million I would never have to work again."

Just one problem. Even if it's dropped in your lap, you're still a slave to the mindset. That's why most people who win the lottery lose the money in a year or two.

My definition of freedom is this:

- to come and go as I please
- to work or not as I please
- to not have to worry about how I'll pay bills
- to influence others and create positive change in their lives
- to enjoy the journey
- to do things the way I want to do them
- to have the freedom to travel when I please
- to have the freedom to tell people who think they have power over me to go to hell


All of these things are happening for me now. I don't need millions, but I strive for that, because that's part of the journey too.

So, to answer your question, it's freedom of choice.

Even if you earn 15 million over night, it won't make a difference, because you'll still be the same guy you were yesterday, just with more money. Until your mind finally connects that freedom, power, & money though closely related, are not the same thing, then you're still a slave to the slowlane mindset.
 

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He's right you have to have a business that is hands off from day one so you avoid doing any work while simultaneously making 100 million a month... otherwise you are just a loser sidewalker...


Lol, it's called process dude, small steps lead to bigger steps.
Keep up the good work Lex
Really, I just asked the question and I've never said oDesk was junk. Entrepreneur21, it's a big question who is a loser, amigo.lol

I understand people like to hear only positive things of what they do. I wish good luck to all fastlaners at odesk.
 

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Then perhaps you shouldn't use Odesk to achieve your freedom.

But you asked why other smart people use Odesk.

Your definition of freedom is not the same as everyone else's.

From my perspective you haven't actually defined freedom for yourself. You've defined a dollar amount that you believe will be enough to keep you from having to work again in the future. That's great.

Everyone who bets on the lottery believes the exact same thing.

"If only I had 15 million I would never have to work again."

Just one problem. Even if it's dropped in your lap, you're still a slave to the mindset. That's why most people who win the lottery lose the money in a year or two.

My definition of freedom is this:

- to come and go as I please
- to work or not as I please
- to not have to worry about how I'll pay bills
- to influence others and create positive change in their lives
- to enjoy the journey
- to do things the way I want to do them
- to have the freedom to travel when I please
- to have the freedom to tell people who think they have power over me to go to hell


All of these things are happening for me now. I don't need millions, but I strive for that, because that's part of the journey too.

So, to answer your question, it's freedom of choice.

Even if you earn 15 million over night, it won't make a difference, because you'll still be the same guy you were yesterday, just with more money. Until your mind finally connects that freedom, power, & money though closely related, are not the same thing, then you're still a slave to the slowlane mindset.
Sorry, Lex, but you're wrong on me. I have a great pleasure when i give money or something to someone who needs in. My dreams/goals aren't own lambo, jets or an island. Sometimes I'm even happy under shelling.lol
Peace you.
 
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Lex, it's great that you could grow on odesk so fast. I know guys who've been the members of odesk for years, but they aren't doing ok. You've found your style to deal with clients/customers. I don't know what your business/job was before, but you've done the IMPOSSIBLE thing on odesk if you started from zero there. Great work.
My respect to you.
 

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Just for fun, I looked back at the job posting that I got accepted for. It turns out, I was one of almost two-dozen people who applied. I was never given an interview, and right from the get-go, I was given an immediate offer.

I'm feeling mighty good about that.
 

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Did they give you a reason?

I had two messages from them, firstly to say that I needed to add more to my profile (which I did) and then the following:

I am writing to you again in regards to the previous message you have received about your profile. As your profile has not yet been updated and/or there has been no response to the previous message sent, I have placed your account on hold until you revise it.

Once revised, you can set your profile to ""Public"" by following these steps:

  1. From your profile, select ""Edit my profile""
  2. Click ""Edit"" from My Public Profile
  3. Select ""Public"" from the Profile Access dropdown
Once you have set your profile to ""Public"", send a reply to this ticket so a Marketplace Quality Specialist can review your profile. Upon confirmation of compliance, your account will be activated.

Please note that further policy or performance issues will result in further action being taken on your account.

Thank you in advance for your cooperation.

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I've since added a lot more to my profile, adjusted my title and adjusted the settings to public as requested but heard nothing back despite following up daily. I'm going to give them a call to see if that hurries things up.
 
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I had two messages from them, firstly to say that I needed to add more to my profile (which I did) and then the following:

I am writing to you again in regards to the previous message you have received about your profile. As your profile has not yet been updated and/or there has been no response to the previous message sent, I have placed your account on hold until you revise it.

Once revised, you can set your profile to ""Public"" by following these steps:

  1. From your profile, select ""Edit my profile""
  2. Click ""Edit"" from My Public Profile
  3. Select ""Public"" from the Profile Access dropdown
Once you have set your profile to ""Public"", send a reply to this ticket so a Marketplace Quality Specialist can review your profile. Upon confirmation of compliance, your account will be activated.

Please note that further policy or performance issues will result in further action being taken on your account.

Thank you in advance for your cooperation.

Regards,
Lav E.
The oDesk Trust & Safety Team

I've since added a lot more to my profile, adjusted my title and adjusted the settings to public as requested but heard nothing back despite following up daily. I'm going to give them a call to see if that hurries things up.

A lesson to all about a powerful weapon of psychology at play here.

Basically Odesk says, "You can't have access."

Now you want it more than ever. Enough to do whatever it takes to get it.

;)
 

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I have a question Lex. I often see job listings where someone is looking for a copywriter, but they do not mean copywriter in the way that I understand it, which is direct response or copywriting with the purpose of generating sales, the way I see it they are looking for a content writer and not a copywriter. I'm not a native english speaker so maybe I'm confused.

Can you give some examples of the kind of work you do as a copywriter? Do you only write sales letters or do you write content as well?
 

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I have a question Lex. I often see job listings where someone is looking for a copywriter, but they do not mean copywriter in the way that I understand it, which is direct response or copywriting with the purpose of generating sales, the way I see it they are looking for a content writer and not a copywriter. I'm not a native english speaker so maybe I'm confused.

Can you give some examples of the kind of work you do as a copywriter? Do you only write sales letters or do you write content as well?

The primary difference between content writing & copywriting on freelance sites is that content writing is fluff to give people a reason to return. Copywriting is specifically to influence, either by informing (planting idea seeds) or by driving action (getting prospects to do something).

Sometimes content writing involves copywriting. But usually this isn't the case at all, and the reality is that most people aren't aware of what actual copywriting involves so they post gigs based on what other similar gigs have posted.

Content writing generally pays less because they need to hire you for work often. Content writing that involves copywriting should pay much more if they want you to influence.

I started out with content creation in the form of blog posts. It was a good way to get started, and was easy money. I wouldn't accept a gig like that now unless the pay was incredibly worth it because I don't like tying myself down to any one client for too long. It's usually not a good idea to have all your eggs in one basket.

Here's the main stuff I work on:
- Sales letters
- About pages
- General site copy (not blog posts)
- Headlines
- USPs
- Direct Response Email
- General copy rewriting
- Sales funneling copy
- Informative copy
- Idea seed copy

One thing I should mention - though I try not to tie myself down to one company, I do have a few long-term clients that ensure cash keeps moving in even when my schedule isn't full.
 
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The primary difference between content writing & copywriting on freelance sites is that content writing is fluff to give people a reason to return. Copywriting is specifically to influence, either by informing (planting idea seeds) or by driving action (getting prospects to do something).

Sometimes content writing involves copywriting. But usually this isn't the case at all, and the reality is that most people aren't aware of what actual copywriting involves so they post gigs based on what other similar gigs have posted.

Content writing generally pays less because they need to hire you for work often. Content writing that involves copywriting should pay much more if they want you to influence.

I started out with content creation in the form of blog posts. It was a good way to get started, and was easy money. I wouldn't accept a gig like that now unless the pay was incredibly worth it because I don't like tying myself down to any one client for too long. It's usually not a good idea to have all your eggs in one basket.

Here's the main stuff I work on:
- Sales letters
- About pages
- General site copy (not blog posts)
- Headlines
- USPs
- Direct Response Email
- General copy rewriting
- Sales funneling copy
- Informative copy
- Idea seed copy

One thing I should mention - though I try not to tie myself down to one company, I do have a few long-term clients that ensure cash keeps moving in even when my schedule isn't full.
Thanks man, I assumed that people just didn't know and that's why they put it in the job listing.
Wouldn't want to become a content writer, copy is were it's at!
 

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Who wants an update? I'm giving one anyway, just to help further illustrate @SinisterLex's point.

So, I'm still in a trial run with my first client. He has stated that this is just a test to see who he likes and all. Standard fare on oDesk, I suppose.

He wanted me to write two articles. Using what he gave me, I noticed something peculiar about the assignment he gave me. Considering the content of these, I figured that he would be much better off with combining them, as they would otherwise look incredibly similar, and that would look bad to a customer.

So, here's what I did. I spent a fair bit of my time writing the combined article. Made it look presentable, and sent it his way. So far, of the people he's looking at, he told me that I'm the only one who considered this possibility, and am now ahead of the game.

This is pretty much what I did so far that is listed in this thread.
1. Make an impression. I'm the ONLY one of the people he's looking at who have done this.
2. Over-deliver. I could have just mentioned the articles being combined, but instead, I actually wrote it up and sent it to him.
3. I explained why this made sense for HIM. I got his back, so he'll get mine. I was able to do this because I was somewhat knowledgeable about the topic, but also because I actually absorbed the information he was tasking me with. I'm not just reading and mindlessly writing. I'm understanding the topic, applying the knowledge I have, and then presenting it in away that is best FOR him.
4. I researched the client. After a little digging, I found out he has a site. I read through it. Got an understanding about what he's selling, and can see how he writes so I can attempt to mimic it for him. This way, it won't look like a freelancer doing it. It'll look like he wrote it himself, increasing customer sincerity. Making it sound like him was hidden in between the lines of the assignment, and never directly stated, but he certainly appreciates it.

The icing on the cake? He noticed that my oDesk pay per hour was low. He knew I'm trying to build up a reputation, and because of the above, sounds willing to help me in return for what I'm doing for him. He is, before I even finished his assignment, considering hiring me to write much more for him, and asking me about the rate I would consider being hired for. Having a client who's willing to pay more for me means I could likely boost up the pay of my entire account much faster than I would have originally, all because I put in a little extra effort.

The funny part? I don't think I'm even doing very good at it. I think it's bland, and just terrible work overall, but he seems pleased with it. So don't let your own inner monologue prevent you from hitting send.
 
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This the most valuable thread I have found so far. Thank you so much Lex.

This is exactly what I needed, a way to add value to myself and stop the drudgery of building someone else's empire. It will also be a good arena to develop my self-marketing skills, while generating the extra income to fuel my eventual fastlane process. Not quite ready to ditch the old job yet, but I'm taking my spare time to market myself and get a few contracts through Odesk done as a proving ground.

I just finished creating my profile in Odesk. I don't know much abut copyright, but my skills are more intune with 3D modeling and product design.


My Overview looks a little like this, tell me if you think it is "you" focused or if it needs work.

Overview

Have a specific part you need made?
Have a new product or concept you need designed?
Do you need someone to do the entire design process, from concept to finished prototype?

You've come to the right place, my friend!

I offer the above services and can help you get a ready prototype in your hands!

More specifically, what I can do for you:

- Take your concept, ideas and rough sketches and create a 3D model of your product.
- Create a rapid prototype, so you can get something physical and get a feel for it, and make adjustments if you desire.
- Create detailed engineering drawings of your product for manufacturing.
- Make an actual first machined prototype.
- Create CNC code for mass production of a product using CNC machining techniques.

No need to run from one person to the next. I do it all! [/endoverview]

I want to take marketing myself a bit further, as well...

My plan is too create a "you" focused ad template that links to my Odesk Profile, and paste that through craiglist and other classified websites throughout several major cities in Canada and the US. That way it will attract attention to my profile and people can circumvent Odesk if they desire and contact me directly. What I do can mainly be exchanged through dropbox and rapid prototypes/prototypes can be sent via mail. Communication will be paramount with my clients.

I have plans to fuel a fastlane project at some point soon, but I feel like I still have a lot to learn and that I need to have a method of cash flow that will keep things running, while I develop that procedure. This looks like it is the perfect first step.
 
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@LightningHelix
I like it so far, and the comment on using it to fuel other endeavors is spot-on with my plan.

Far as your overview, I'd recommend adding something about how long you've been doing this and what programs you use at the end.

This bit at the end is less for the people who you'd like to hire you, and more for appeasing oDesk.
 

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This the most valuable thread I have found so far. Thank you so much Lex.

This is exactly what I needed, a way to add value to myself and stop the drudgery of building someone else's empire. It will also be a good arena to develop my self-marketing skills, while generating the extra income to fuel my eventual fastlane process. Not quite ready to ditch the old job yet, but I'm taking my spare time to market myself and get a few contracts through Odesk done as a proving ground.

I just finished creating my profile in Odesk. I don't know much abut copyright, but my skills are more intune with 3D modeling and product design.


My Overview looks a little like this, tell me if you think it is "you" focused or if it needs work.

Overview

Have a specific part you need made?
Have a new product or concept you need designed?
Do you need someone to do the entire design process, from concept to finished prototype?

You've come to the right place, my friend!

I offer the above services and can help you get a ready prototype in your hands!

More specifically, what I can do for you:

- Take your concept, ideas and rough sketches and create a 3D model of your product.
- Create a rapid prototype, so you can get something physical and get a feel for it, and make adjustments if you desire.
- Create detailed engineering drawings of your product for manufacturing.
- Make an actual first machined prototype.
- Create CNC code for mass production of a product using CNC machining techniques.

No need to run from one person to the next. I do it all! [/endoverview]

I want to take marketing myself a bit further, as well...

My plan is too create a "you" focused ad template that links to my Odesk Profile, and paste that through craiglist and other classified websites throughout several major cities in Canada and the US. That way it will attract attention to my profile and people can circumvent Odesk if they desire and contact me directly. What I do can mainly be exchanged through dropbox and rapid prototypes/prototypes can be sent via mail. Communication will be paramount with my clients.

I have plans to fuel a fastlane project at some point soon, but I feel like I still have a lot to learn and that I need to have a method of cash flow that will keep things running, while I develop that procedure. This looks like it is the perfect first step.

Hey LightningHelixs,

You're off to a great start!

Great job opening with you-focused questions, and with showing how you'll add value for them!

There's 3 things I can see from a quick read-through that will help you improve instantly.

1. Zero in on your target customer's desire - Your question asks "Have a specific part you need made?" Assuming your customer does need some part made, they're probably searching for someone with specific skills in specific programs.

So I might change this to: "Need something custom designed with CAD?" (assuming you're using CAD). If they're looking for CAD then they instantly know they're in the right place and should keep reading your bio.

2. Read your bio out loud & cut out any words that don't serve a purpose. If it sounds awkward out loud, then it reads awkward too. Every word should carry the reader down through your bio.

3. Put a Call to Action (CTA) at the bottom of your bio - this can be as simple as "Scroll up and click hire now!" or "Contact me now." or "Message me to discover what I can do for you."

Give your reader instructions so they know what step to take next.

Hope that helps! Keep it up! It's one thing to write a great bio as a copywriter, but if you get the basics down in another field, such as design, then you'll run circles around your competition!
 
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Hey LightningHelixs,

You're off to a great start!

Great job opening with you-focused questions, and with showing how you'll add value for them!

There's 3 things I can see from a quick read-through that will help you improve instantly.

1. Zero in on your target customer's desire - Your question asks "Have a specific part you need made?" Assuming your customer does need some part made, they're probably searching for someone with specific skills in specific programs.

So I might change this to: "Need something custom designed with CAD?" (assuming you're using CAD). If they're looking for CAD then they instantly know they're in the right place and should keep reading your bio.

2. Read your bio out loud & cut out any words that don't serve a purpose. If it sounds awkward out loud, then it reads awkward too. Every word should carry the reader down through your bio.

3. Put a Call to Action (CTA) at the bottom of your bio - this can be as simple as "Scroll up and click hire now!" or "Contact me now." or "Message me to discover what I can do for you."

Give your reader instructions so they know what step to take next.

Hope that helps! Keep it up! It's one thing to write a great bio as a copywriter, but if you get the basics down in another field, such as design, then you'll run circles around your competition!

Excellent! It's great to have assistance from a master in copywriting.

Much obliged!

I'll try to update as I go. (or maybe create my own thread for that, not to derail yours.)

EDIT: Hit my first rejection from Odesk, I think I didn't put enough detail about my experience in my overview (like [HASHTAG]#Disciple[/HASHTAG] mentioned). Anyway, I made changes and resubmitted. Time to wait another 12 hours. :rolleyes:
 
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Excellent! It's great to have assistance from a master in copywriting.

Much obliged!

I'll try to update as I go. (or maybe create my own thread for that, not to derail yours.)

EDIT: Hit my first rejection from Odesk, I think I didn't put enough detail about my experience in my overview (like [HASHTAG]#Disciple[/HASHTAG] mentioned). Anyway, I made changes and resubmitted. Time to wait another 12 hours. :rolleyes:
Don't forget to include which software you can use! I believe they also like having education listed. If you went to a seminar, course, school, etc..., to learn the skill, put that in as well.

PS: Use @ with the name when trying to mention someone. This way, an alert can be sent to the individual who's name you put in next to it.
 
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Hey guys,

This isn't a progress thread, but I wanted to share a little update. I've taken on 2 new clients at $99/hr and started on their projects this week. At first it was no big deal, but after 4 hours something hit me like a ton of bricks.

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I used to work 40 hours for this.

Some will miss the point and assume it's due to copywriting.

I promise you it's not.

It's mindset & process 100%.

Taking action, F*cking it all up, and repeating & modifying until something actually works for a change.

The next time you fail... The next time you don't get the results you want, ask yourself what else you can change.

Then pick yourself up and try again.


Just Do It.
 
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