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Hello ya'll, I am currently laying out a plan to offer 12-week life coaching/image consulting VIA Zoom (as of now). I am planning on going to the Craigslist services section and posting my pitch (which I am currently writing copy for).

My question is, how much should I charge for private coaching like this per person? I don't want to short change myself, and I want it to be worth my time. I was thinking 1K per month, but I am still at the negative belief that people can't afford/won't pay that much, even though plenty of people who are in the software industry CAN afford that (and are probably my target group anyways, they are often sad and feel they have no purpose, can't get a date, etc.). It's a 3 month, once a week coaching service. In-depth. I also will provide proof of my knowledge and experience in the topics I will be covering each week.

Also, how should I accept payments? Paypal or CashApp? Etc? And will people pay in advance and hopefully assume I didn't rip them off? How do you have people trust you in this regard?

I got laid off of my real job, and I NEED something to happen. Any help in this regard would be appreciated, as I have never really done a service-based business before. Thank you!
 

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Well, they'll pay it if you can convince them to pay it. I just have a litany of questions though.

Are these software engineers really on Craigslist?
Would a typical Craigslister want help in this area, and how much could they afford? (Craiglist is a place people go for deals, in my experience, but others might have different experience)
What's in it for them? What is the benefit they are getting here? Dating help? Career help? Fashion tips? A promotion?
Do you have any testimonials or track record of getting these things accomplished for people?
For yourself?
If not, why should someone pay you? What are you other credibility builders that would convince an engineer to give you THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS just to be able to.,.. talk to you?... 12 times?

To answer your question. I get people to trust me because someone told them the results I got for them. And how did that happen. All the way back when I helped 2 people for free for a month to prove (to them and myself) that I could get results. Those 2 sent me my next 5 clients. That was eight years ago, and one of them sent me a prospect last week.

You might want to consider doing something similar. Help transform 5 engineers in 12 weeks for free and see how good your stuff really is.

I know, I know, you need something to happen faster than that. Ok, so make it happen. But remember the forum mantra, "the market doesn't care what you need".

HTH.
 

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Well, they'll pay it if you can convince them to pay it. I just have a litany of questions though.

Are these software engineers really on Craigslist?
Would a typical Craigslister want help in this area, and how much could they afford? (Craiglist is a place people go for deals, in my experience, but others might have different experience)
What's in it for them? What is the benefit they are getting here? Dating help? Career help? Fashion tips? A promotion?
Do you have any testimonials or track record of getting these things accomplished for people?
For yourself?
If not, why should someone pay you? What are you other credibility builders that would convince an engineer to give you THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS just to be able to.,.. talk to you?... 12 times?

To answer your question. I get people to trust me because someone told them the results I got for them. And how did that happen. All the way back when I helped 2 people for free for a month to prove (to them and myself) that I could get results. Those 2 sent me my next 5 clients. That was eight years ago, and one of them sent me a prospect last week.

You might want to consider doing something similar. Help transform 5 engineers in 12 weeks for free and see how good your stuff really is.

I know, I know, you need something to happen faster than that. Ok, so make it happen. But remember the forum mantra, "the market doesn't care what you need".

HTH.

Lot's of people are on Craigslist. And I'm sure I will appeal to more people than just software engineers. I'm not really sure how else I would customers unless I build up a lot of traffic on my blog. Their benefit is they are getting dating help/career help all of the above. What I teach will carryover to multiple facets of life. Testimonials as of now will simply be a montage/collage picture of me in pictures with various attractive women. That should be a convincer enough for now, plus my blog too. This is primarily dating coaching, like in that movie 'Hitch' with Will Smith or 'Crazy Stupid Love' with Ryan Gosling. Possibly 'School for Scoundrels' too with Billy Bob Thornton. I am the date doctor basically. Sex sells. It's evergreen.

Yes, doing it for free and getting those clients to trust me and have my back is great leverage. I may consider that, although I am in a bind right now.

Yeah, I don't care how the market feels, I'll make them feel what I need them to feel. If it means learning how to manipulate the market, so be it. I can no longer be a sheep, I must be the wolf. Or the collie herding the sheep.
Mind you this is just one out of a few businesses I am working on. I am also building an Etsy shop and a digital product for my blog. We all know those things take a long time to even see a penny though.

And I don't have a long time to wait. Somethings gotta give, and FAST.
 

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I hesitated to respond to this but I feel for you so let me do my best...

We've all been there.

MJ said it best and it's probably something you don't want to hear right now: there IS get rich quick... just not get rich easy.

Throwing up your first long-form sales letter on a website where people sell furniture and backdoor foot massages may not get you the $1,000/month coaching client you're looking for.

I have written copy for many many years and NONE of my sales letters work the first time. It takes a LOT of time, money, and energy to turn strangers into paying customers. And it's much more complicated than I (or anyone else here) can explain in a forum post.

First things first. The good thing is you have ambition.

The not-so-good news is you need another job.

If after you're stable and at least able to afford the bills, there are plenty of people here who can help you learn to take complete strangers and turn them into paying clients (and many of us will help for free of course). But we can't slay your current 30-day monster (the bills that will come due).

When you're desperate for money, it tends to run away from you.

You have commission breath. You look, sound, and give off an energy of desperation. No matter how badly you want to help people -- that's secondary. You need their money. You'll help them after.

Business cannot be run that way.

Before you go any further -- you've got to nail this thing down.

What kind of coaching are you actually offering? Are you actually going to coach dating and relationships? Or is it software engineering? Or is it life coaching? Or... what?

If you're serious you need to ask and answer:

1. Who do you want to work with?
2. What do THEY want to know?
3. HOW do they get it?

And after all of that, I'd ask you very skeptically (but sincerely), how do I know YOU are the person to provide that 3rd one?
 

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I hesitated to respond to this but I feel for you so let me do my best...

We've all been there.

MJ said it best and it's probably something you don't want to hear right now: there IS get rich quick... just not get rich easy.

Throwing up your first long-form sales letter on a website where people sell furniture and backdoor foot massages may not get you the $1,000/month coaching client you're looking for.

I have written copy for many many years and NONE of my sales letters work the first time. It takes a LOT of time, money, and energy to turn strangers into paying customers. And it's much more complicated than I (or anyone else here) can explain in a forum post.

First things first. The good thing is you have ambition.

The not-so-good news is you need another job.

If after you're stable and at least able to afford the bills, there are plenty of people here who can help you learn to take complete strangers and turn them into paying clients (and many of us will help for free of course). But we can't slay your current 30-day monster (the bills that will come due).

When you're desperate for money, it tends to run away from you.

You have commission breath. You look, sound, and give off an energy of desperation. No matter how badly you want to help people -- that's secondary. You need their money. You'll help them after.

Business cannot be run that way.

Before you go any further -- you've got to nail this thing down.

What kind of coaching are you actually offering? Are you actually going to coach dating and relationships? Or is it software engineering? Or is it life coaching? Or... what?

If you're serious you need to ask and answer:

1. Who do you want to work with?
2. What do THEY want to know?
3. HOW do they get it?

And after all of that, I'd ask you very skeptically (but sincerely), how do I know YOU are the person to provide that 3rd one?

Well, I didn't expect to be met with positive reactions to my plan. I understand it may sound desperate. And I am transferring to another company. Where I will then be making pennies STILL. Seriously. It's not fair that I have to go out and be an Amazon delivery man and only make 18 an hour, not even being able to afford a car and needing food stamps...while others can simply sit on their a$$ at the computer making 40 an hour. Life isn't fair I guess. I am underpaid and overworked. I want a way out, that isn't me jumping off of a bridge. Like I said, something better change fast. I'm 29 and I don't have time to wait.

1. Who do I want to work with? The people! Who need help. Who struggle with women. With life. Etc...
2. They want to know how to find love and happiness. If they haven't already.
3. They get it by making small incremental changes. It doesn't happen overnight! It's a marathon, not a sprint.
I am nearing 30 and have the life experience to back me up. 20's were all about living and learning.

I am now 29, and it has to mean something. I can't stay stuck working for a corrupt company any longer!
 

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you don't even work and want to give out life coaching...

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almost as crazy as a guy that cant even form a sentence running for president...
 

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Well, I didn't expect to be met with positive reactions to my plan. I understand it may sound desperate. And I am transferring to another company. Where I will then be making pennies STILL. Seriously. It's not fair that I have to go out and be an Amazon delivery man and only make 18 an hour, not even being able to afford a car and needing food stamps...while others can simply sit on their a$$ at the computer making 40 an hour. Life isn't fair I guess. I am underpaid and overworked. I want a way out, that isn't me jumping off of a bridge. Like I said, something better change fast. I'm 29 and I don't have time to wait.

1. Who do I want to work with? The people! Who need help. Who struggle with women. With life. Etc...
2. They want to know how to find love and happiness. If they haven't already.
3. They get it by making small incremental changes. It doesn't happen overnight! It's a marathon, not a sprint.
I am nearing 30 and have the life experience to back me up. 20's were all about living and learning.

I am now 29, and it has to mean something. I can't stay stuck working for a corrupt company any longer!

You said it best here: this is a marathon, not a sprint.

Can I be honest?

I'll hallucinate you said yes and you see I actually care, I'm not just being a dick.

Your three answers are so far off the mark that you're doomed to fail... for now.

Who do you want to work with:

You have to be insanely specific here. You can't (or shouldn't) try to be everything for everybody. If you study any majorly successful coaching offers they are either one of two things: someone branded themselves so well over the course of decades that people go to them for advice... OR they help SPECIFIC people with SPECIFIC problems and nothing else.

Usually coaching comes from, you had a bad experience with something, you figured it out, and now you can help other people get over it.

"I help divorced men get over their exes and back into the dating game."
"I help single mothers manage their family while dating."
"I help single nerds get dates."
"I help 50-somethings get back out there"

These are cheesy examples but they aren't that far off.

But I'm not so sure you've been in any of these experiences... so the only way you'd really be able to help is by painstakingly interviewing people who successfully did it and show others what you learned. Or develop a different skill.

It doesn't sound like your sold on dating... or helping these people at all... it again sounds like you're pissed off in the moment so you're saying "I'll help anybody with anything as long as they give me some money". There's a lot of "social media" experts and "marketing pros" who lurk on this forum who sell 1k-5k offers and then come on here and ask "how do I get clients" ... I sure as hell hope you DON'T sell anybody anything yet.

What do THEY want to know?

You guessed at these answers. You can't guess. You actually have to ask, interview, understand. Never assume you know what they want. I've done 3,000 live presentations and trainings for companies now. There's not been a single time I didn't go a pre-session talk with the boss and a couple key team members to see what their challenges are and what they really need.

HOW do they get it?

Again. Specifics, brother. Step by step. What needs to happen to move someone from "aint got it" to "got it"

The phrase "Small incremental changes" doesn't work well on instructions to an Ikea table, and not so good when someone is desperate for a date because they've been alone for years.

REALLY take some time to answer those questions. You won't get anywhere until you've written a lot out and gotten really serious about it.

Side note:

If I can give some unsolicited advice... I know you're upset right now but blaming a "corrupt company" isn't helping. If you change how you see your job, you'll change how you feel. It's a vehicle to get you to your dreams... whatever you end of deciding that is.

You've got to start getting into some personal development. I highly recommend Jim Rohn. Many of his old seminars are free on Youtube.
 

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you don't even work and want to give out life coaching...

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almost as crazy as a guy that cant even form a sentence running for president...

I was working. For over a year. I got laid off. Never has that happened before. And I am transferring to another company. I just have to take a drug test again, which I pushed back a week. Meaning I have a full week to figure out a FASTLANE business.
 

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You said it best here: this is a marathon, not a sprint.

Can I be honest?

I'll hallucinate you said yes and you see I actually care, I'm not just being a dick.

Your three answers are so far off the mark that you're doomed to fail... for now.

Who do you want to work with:

You have to be insanely specific here. You can't (or shouldn't) try to be everything for everybody. If you study any majorly successful coaching offers they are either one of two things: someone branded themselves so well over the course of decades that people go to them for advice... OR they help SPECIFIC people with SPECIFIC problems and nothing else.

Usually coaching comes from, you had a bad experience with something, you figured it out, and now you can help other people get over it.

"I help divorced men get over their exes and back into the dating game."
"I help single mothers manage their family while dating."
"I help single nerds get dates."
"I help 50-somethings get back out there"

These are cheesy examples but they aren't that far off.

But I'm not so sure you've been in any of these experiences... so the only way you'd really be able to help is by painstakingly interviewing people who successfully did it and show others what you learned. Or develop a different skill.

It doesn't sound like your sold on dating... or helping these people at all... it again sounds like you're pissed off in the moment so you're saying "I'll help anybody with anything as long as they give me some money". There's a lot of "social media" experts and "marketing pros" who lurk on this forum who sell 1k-5k offers and then come on here and ask "how do I get clients" ... I sure as hell hope you DON'T sell anybody anything yet.

What do THEY want to know?

You guessed at these answers. You can't guess. You actually have to ask, interview, understand. Never assume you know what they want. I've done 3,000 live presentations and trainings for companies now. There's not been a single time I didn't go a pre-session talk with the boss and a couple key team members to see what their challenges are and what they really need.

HOW do they get it?

Again. Specifics, brother. Step by step. What needs to happen to move someone from "aint got it" to "got it"

The phrase "Small incremental changes" doesn't work well on instructions to an Ikea table, and not so good when someone is desperate for a date because they've been alone for years.

REALLY take some time to answer those questions. You won't get anywhere until you've written a lot out and gotten really serious about it.

Side note:

If I can give some unsolicited advice... I know you're upset right now but blaming a "corrupt company" isn't helping. If you change how you see your job, you'll change how you feel. It's a vehicle to get you to your dreams... whatever you end of deciding that is.

You've got to start getting into some personal development. I highly recommend Jim Rohn. Many of his old seminars are free on Youtube.

Ok, I will try and figure out how I can be more specific with these answers. I appreciate your advice.

I am in a rut right now. A speedbump. Can't even buy a dang car. Having to rely on room-mates for rides. It sucks. But I'm young I suppose. But too old for this crap, ya know? I've been studying this entrepreneur thing since I was 22. It began with eBay (where I got banned eventually) and now I am here. Wanting this more and more each day. Going stir crazy. And tired of wasting my life away doing something I don't want to be doing.

I will look into your recommendations (including Jim Rohn). But I think at this point something has to happen. At 29 there are people 10 years my junior who already have condos overlooking the city. And driving fancy cars. I'm a late bloomer.

But I'm also a lefty. And a capricorn. Meaning I won't settle for the "norm".

Not me.
 

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On average, entrepreneurs don't find the business that makes them "successful" until 37.

The average age of successful tech founders is 42.

Take a breath, dude. You don't need to have it all figured out tonight.

Start with going inside and figuring out what would really excite you. What do you want your life to be like? And how can you enjoy the process because it ain't gonna happen anytime soon. That doesn't mean you shouldn't start today. It means you should have a little patience.

I joined this forum after having been homeless for 2 years. MJ, SteveO, Lighthouse, Sonya, Yvkleinsky, RussH, Runum, snowbank, biopase, and literally a dozen others pulled me out of my funk. Steered me in the right direction. Lifted me up when I was down.

It's been over a decade for me with this group and it's been a hell of a journey.

All I can promise is if you stick with it, learn, read, push yourself to ask more questions, educate yourself, work on yourself -- it won't be easy... but it'll be worth it.
 

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On average, entrepreneurs don't find the business that makes them "successful" until 37.

The average age of successful tech founders is 42.

Take a breath, dude. You don't need to have it all figured out tonight.

Start with going inside and figuring out what would really excite you. What do you want your life to be like? And how can you enjoy the process because it ain't gonna happen anytime soon. That doesn't mean you shouldn't start today. It means you should have a little patience.

I joined this forum after having been homeless for 2 years. MJ, SteveO, Lighthouse, Sonya, Yvkleinsky, RussH, Runum, snowbank, biopase, and literally a dozen others pulled me out of my funk. Steered me in the right direction. Lifted me up when I was down.

It's been over a decade for me with this group and it's been a hell of a journey.

All I can promise is if you stick with it, learn, read, push yourself to ask more questions, educate yourself, work on yourself -- it won't be easy... but it'll be worth it.

37 is the average number? Sounds like BS imo
 

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I am in a rut right now. A speedbump. Can't even buy a dang car. Having to rely on room-mates for rides. It sucks.

And tired of wasting my life away doing something I don't want to be doing.

Probably shouldn't be doing any life coaching for anyone at this point.

As a dating coach maybe you're qualified, I don't know? $1000/mo as a dating coach seems high. Professional matchmakers that go out and find you dates are around that range.
 

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You work in a logistics position. Do you have the ability to be the best person in that position so that you can get a pay raise? Concurrently, while busting A$$ you could further educate yourself on logistics and look to parlay that into an even higher paying position, or look to leverage your experience and newly acquired knowledge into a position somewhere else.

Another thing to remember is that throughout history it isn't the ones whom do the grunt work and bitch about it who get rewarded. It's the ones who do the grunt work, further their knowledge and compound their impact. Steve Ballmer didn't complain that he wasn't CEO of Microsoft, or that he wasn't being paid enough. He worked hard, learned, added value and over time put himself in a position to become CEO.

One last item - What's the last book you've read?
 

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You work in a logistics position. Do you have the ability to be the best person in that position so that you can get a pay raise? Concurrently, while busting A$$ you could further educate yourself on logistics and look to parlay that into an even higher paying position, or look to leverage your experience and newly acquired knowledge into a position somewhere else.

Another thing to remember is that throughout history it isn't the ones whom do the grunt work and bitch about it who get rewarded. It's the ones who do the grunt work, further their knowledge and compound their impact. Steve Ballmer didn't complain that he wasn't CEO of Microsoft, or that he wasn't being paid enough. He worked hard, learned, added value and over time put himself in a position to become CEO.

One last item - What's the last book you've read?

I have an issue asking for pay raises. Like I am out of line or something. The thing is Amazon Drivers aren't treated the best. We are replaceable. Sad but true. Software engineers make more than us despite all the dangerous things we do and places we have to go.

Anyway, the last book I read was 'Unscripted'. I also read 'Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion' a few months back.

 

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Is there any reason you can’t just get another job while you build your business? Let me tell you, I had huge comp experience for a decade and even now, I’m still building my business. As these others above said, it’s a marathon not a race. Take a chill pill man and don’t worry too much.

Great thing about being human? We can adapt to most living situations.
 

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I've been trying to figure it since 22. Maybe I'm just meant for the rat race. What a worthless way to live.
Wow, calm down. No one said that.

First of all, no to the life coach thing.

Second of all, you are 29, you are not dead. I'll be a whopping 31 in a month. The majority of people that listen to my radio show about entrepreneurship are between 30 and 45.

There are dumb asses everywhere that get decent jobs and blow all their money. Don't long to be that person.

We know people that own a two homes, brand new cars, they are always showing off with money.... Covid hit, and the husband told me they would be fine because "they had a good March." LOL. Ah, so the last 4 weeks of your life is a big consideration to your financial solvency... got it. Geez. Those are the types of people you are comparing yourself to.
 

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Is there any reason you can’t just get another job while you build your business? Let me tell you, I had huge comp experience for a decade and even now, I’m still building my business. As these others above said, it’s a marathon not a race. Take a chill pill man and don’t worry too much.

Great thing about being human? We can adapt to most living situations.

I can and I am. It's just hard to find the time to build a biz when you work.
 

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I can and I am. It's just hard to find the time to build a biz when you work.
I get you man. But plenty of individuals here work full-time while also building a business. Shoot I work at a retail store and I still run an agency.

you can do it man!

you just need to not rush success. Do everything you can to up the chances. But remember it’s a process. Not an event. And not a week event otherwise there would be no need for MJ’s book.

I tried the lifecoach image consultant thing. It isn’t as great as you think. If you really want to succeed in a week’s time, get really good at identifying a problem 50% of the world needs and would pay for. Otherwise, be patient, get your job, work on a side hustle to free yourself from that job, and use the extra time from your side hustle to create a fastlane business.

When you get on a freeway, do you immediately get in the fastlane? Or do you merge yourself to the fastlane?
 
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The real Craigslist sales secret comes out and it's not life coaching!

:D

I bet there are people who would pay $1,000 for it right now too, even for an amateur.

But if they lean over real close and speak too loud when they say, "remind me exactly what you will do for this $1,000.."

It's a cop!
 

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Hello ya'll, I am currently laying out a plan to offer 12-week life coaching/image consulting VIA Zoom (as of now). I am planning on going to the Craigslist services section and posting my pitch (which I am currently writing copy for).

My question is, how much should I charge for private coaching like this per person? I don't want to short change myself, and I want it to be worth my time. I was thinking 1K per month, but I am still at the negative belief that people can't afford/won't pay that much, even though plenty of people who are in the software industry CAN afford that (and are probably my target group anyways, they are often sad and feel they have no purpose, can't get a date, etc.). It's a 3 month, once a week coaching service. In-depth. I also will provide proof of my knowledge and experience in the topics I will be covering each week.

Also, how should I accept payments? Paypal or CashApp? Etc? And will people pay in advance and hopefully assume I didn't rip them off? How do you have people trust you in this regard?

I got laid off of my real job, and I NEED something to happen. Any help in this regard would be appreciated, as I have never really done a service-based business before. Thank you!

As others have said, life coaching is not a good idea. For obvious reasons, others have stated.

Honestly, dude, it's a bit delusional to think you can create that sort of income that quickly from where you currently are. I know because I had the same delusions.

I have been at this for a couple of years now, and am still working a job and working on other income streams in all the spare time I have.

In those 2 years of busting my a$$, I have about $200 a month of passive income coming in. And I didn't slack off that entire time.

No one is paying you for that let me tell you, people would pay for that, they just wouldn't pay you for it.

I believe my breakthrough is just around the corner.

Get a dam job and you will get there in time.

Getting a job should be priority number 1.
 

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I have an issue asking for pay raises. Like I am out of line or something. The thing is Amazon Drivers aren't treated the best. We are replaceable. Sad but true. Software engineers make more than us despite all the dangerous things we do and places we have to go.

Anyway, the last book I read was 'Unscripted'. I also read 'Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion' a few months back.


If you don't ask - you don't get.

Are YOU as an individual ALL Amazon drivers?? What can you do as a driver to stand out from the others? I already gave you one thing.

Software engineers have also worked their A$$ off to acquire a certain level of knowledge and skillset and are being paid commensurately to deploy said skillset and knowledge. Getting your license takes FAR less time. And to drive around doesn't take a high level of knowledge nor skillset.

What did you learn from both of those? Reading to say you've read is worthless - did you retain any of the knowledge or concepts?

It's an absolute necessity to acquire more knowledge and skill to do anything.

Here's my suggestion - Work whatever job you need to in order to pay the bills. Be damn good at it so you don't get fired. Work on knowledge attainment and skill attainment in your off time.

Most people on here have done this. When I wanted to learn real estate I was waking up at 4:30-5 AM to study. Drive an hour ONE WAY to work. Study on lunch. Drive the hour back home. Study more.

What are your next five moves to move forward? Don't answer with more bullsh!t complaining either. We get it - life is a struggle. Get over it and craft a plan to struggle toward something that will better your situation.
 

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You really have to stop with all the negative self talk.....




THAT....










Right there!










STOP!









Pause......











Deep breath.....








In.....












Out....








Notice what just happened. All the mental chatter, the emotions, the feelings.






Are they helping or hurting?




This takes some practice, but the first step is noticing what's happening inside your mind.



Then you will be able to regain control of the situation.









That'll be $999 :)
 

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Oh boy... a full week...

Come on man...

 

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