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Have Smartphones Destroyed A Generation?

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    And so they'll grow up valuing the wealth trapped in the pages of books!! If you can instill that habit young, they'll thank you profusely later on.

    I think the term "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree" is so apt with this sort of thing. Kids using smartphones to fill in their lives are typically following suit from the parents (who used TV or some other thing to fill theirs).

    The millennial generation was brought up by one who weren't really aware of the dangers of modern society. In turn, that generation was brought up by a generation blighted by the depression.

    You tend to find the zeitgeist for the generations as follows:
    • Grandma/Grandpa -- depression meant they constantly searched for value in everything; self sufficient
    • Parents -- consumption boom of 50's,60's,70's,80's -- kicked back against their parents' fear of loss by indulging in "free love" and building their own lives
    • Present -- brought up on credit and many spoiled by their own parents (who compensated by the lack in their youth by buying a ton of stuff). Kids become accustomed to getting whatever they wanted, always looking for the next thing. Get shocked that "real life" doesn't give them free handouts and makes them pay through the nose for houses etc. Escape by using smartphones.
    I was born in 1990, and my parents gave me every material benefit I could possibly have wanted. Nothing stupid (like going on expensive holidays), but boxes of presents for Christmas and I never skipped a meal.

    Whilst it may sound halcyonic, the truth is they under-prepared me for the modern world. I am fortunate because my mother was especially good with money... but I see many of my peers ending up in dead-end jobs, disinterested in learning, and essentially being the tax-and-debt-slave the system wants.

    If you aren't growing internally (which is hard), you put all your emphasis on the external. Putting emphasis externally is basically what's lead to the smartphone stuff. The fact it's smartphones is symptomatic. The same behaviour exists with fast food, video games, recreational drugs, porn, TV shows and even the likes of dating/pickup. What's more, everyone has it to some degree.

    The beauty of the Internet is that it's opened the door for communities like this, which are exposing the pitfalls of the modern world. Whilst it's true that smartphones have enabled the vices of a generation, unless you rigorously control things (as you would have in a dictatorship), you just have to put up with it (or capitalize on it). The answer - as with almost every issue - is to go inward. Indulge in your own life and forget everyone else. Over time, you'll attract those who see the world as you do.
     
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    As a 22 year old myself I can tell you, despite being aware of exactly how all of this affects people and myself, I still get this FOMO to times.

    I have been doing pretty well for myself in 2018 and YET I find myself certain days a month where I feel like shit and feel like I'm missing out on something that could be even better or be even more!

    First I concluded that it was simply because I'm too ambitious, but I can feel deep in myself that this is not the truth, and it was more likely a cover lie to myself in order to feel better or avoid that bad feeling.

    The truth is that I also get affected when the world around me looks more succesful and better than what my life is.

    It scares me that I get so affected despite knowing that most of these SOME flexers are sidewalkers or straight up pretenders.

    I imagine what people in a worse situation than me can feel, laying on their couch browsing Instagram filled with people wearing Rolex, driving Porsches and flexing in front of huge estates, after a whole week of working a shitty job and yet broke and with no plan for their future in sight.

    I am not putting kids into this world before I get a clue on how to deal with this myself first, thats for sure.
     
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    The way to deal with FOMO is to realize you are not really missing much. What people post on Social Media is fake, it is like augmented reality and even if you feel you are missing something at the moment you might get it later on, there is an abundance of opportunities out there and feel FOMO beliefs rely on scarcity sometimes, believing you are missing the only chance of experiencing whatever others are up to.

    Another trick that can help you is to compare yourself with those you have less or practice negative visualization about some of the things/people you take for granted nowadays.
     
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    I agree, the smartphone has created a generation of isolated people (I also speak for myself, unfortunately)
     
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    A good tip @LightHouse gave me was putting the phone on do not disturb, but then setting a handful of people to come through all the time.

    That was a good solution for me. I can get my wife's calls, and my 800 number calls, but block everything else.
     
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    That's not correct to say so. The usage of em, maybe. ALmost the same situation as with many things invented in the last 20 years. The easier they make your life, the lazier you are. Once there won't be any devices, we will struggle. But not, I see no reason to give up using em.
     
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    No one here is saying to "give up using them".

    Vicodin works to relieve pain. But just because it works, dosn't mean our kids should have unlimited access to it. Any tool (or drug) that f*cks with your dopamine is something not to be treated lightly.
     
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    Have you tried an e-reader? I put off getting one for years figuring I already have a phone and tablet that I can read stuff on, so I don't need to waste money on yet another electronic device. But I found that e-readers are absolutely worth it. Reading on the e-reader is WAY better than reading on the phone. And, because it is a single purpose device, you are less likely to get distracted with other stuff (emails, other apps, etc.) while reading.

    Nevertheless, I still find myself getting occassionally distracted with the e-reader. For example, I'll be in the middle of a business book and then, for no obvious reason, switch to the history book I'm working through. Just shows how much my smartphone has messed up my brain, getting it used to switching inputs constantly. Still, I definitely prefer the e-reader to physical books.
     
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    I was looking for this thread!

    I deleted Facebook off my phone and I've had nothing but improvements. Only on my phone for specific things now and not pointless scrolling.

    It's kinda funny when you delete it. Your body/mind is in the habit of just going on your phone and you habitually go on Facebook without thinking. But when you delete it, for the first bit, you still have the habit of going on your phone and when you realise there's no Facebook your mind is like 'oh, right, yeah,... uhm, what should I do?' Now I don't even think about facebook of social media, allowing me to think about actual things in my life.

    However I also feel a sadness when I see people on their phones, mindlessly scrolling like zombie hooked up to a heroin machine... Bit dramatic, I know, but still...
     
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    I love love love my Kindle. Couldn’t live without it.
     
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    I remember my parents saying the same about video games.

    Their parents probably said the same about television.

    And their parents about radio perhaps.

    There will always be addicted people, doesn't mean the whole generation is doomed.
     
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    You weren't playing video games while waiting for the bus, while waiting for the doctor, while sitting on the toilet, while sitting at dinner, while talking a walk down the street, while running a treadmill...

    None of these devices was virtually strapped to your face and likened to an appendage that can't be gone without.

    You're comparing apples / oranges.
     
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    Yea i feel that maybe for the first time ever the generation argument doesn't apply here.

    This may be the downfall of the first world lol.
     
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    I do remember how parents let their kids play on their Gameboy everywhere. We don't see it now because its now just changed with tablet/smartphone.

    There used to be a time when there was only one tv per household. Now there's at least 3 or 4 in every house and in every waiting room, dinner, shop...

    I've known people that were suddenly vanished from the earth because they couldn't leave their houses since they had to play World of Warcraft.

    But we didn't see all those addicted gamers and tv audience, they were sitting in their living rooms or bedrooms. Since smartphones are location independent, it's something that catches our eye all the time. Therefore our perception is completely different.

    There's definitely more dopamine-stuff going on with smartphones, agree. But as usual with doom prophecies as these, we're so focused on the extreme examples, we even ignore the "normal people". "Research" like this tends to say that smartphones are rather a curse than a blessing which is something I can't agree with.
     
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    Maybe he had a Gameboy or PSP lol.
     
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    The thing is, kids can't afford these phones, parents can just throw them out the car window and that's a wrap
     
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    My daughter knows how to unlock the phones/tablet and turn on cartoons on youtube since she was like 2yo. She's 2 and 8 months now and knows how to turn on cartoons on Samsung SmartTV, pause/resume/switch cartoons on youtube, turn on and play kids games on tablet and post smileys in a telegram from PC using only the mouse. And I don't think it's bad at all, she doesn't spend more than an hour a day with tech. It's part of their lives now.

    I'm thankful for video games for training my brains. Being regional semi-pro in CS and Warcraft really sharpened my reflexes and tactical thinking. Not much less useful than a university helped with learning how to learn fast. I don't mind my kids playing them too (except for the MMOs).

    However, I've never hung out on Facebook and other social networks and try to keep my children away from them for as long as possible while teaching them the absurdity of it all. People do tend to spend too much time there without any purpose at all.

    Smartphones are great, but I'll better read this forum and Google Now feed while waiting in a line than semi-fake useless updates from people I barely know.
     
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    This is a great idea. I think I might do this!
     
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