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Have Smartphones Destroyed A Generation?

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    Try the "Moment" app it has really helped me to use cell phone less.
     
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    Some would be appropriate, sure. Especially at first. You ease into it. But at the same time, teens need to learn to be independent and control their own impulses and choices, and deal with consequences.

    As access is extended, you would need to regularly talk/coach your kids about good habits, consequences, anxiety related to social media use, etc. I'm going to be doing this for the next 10 years as my kids grow up... I'll let you know if it helped.

    My parents never talked to me about any of that, so I spent hours a day on AIM and video games and maybe slept 5 hours a night.

    The real mistake, was them not allowing me to fail, and bailing me out of things. I might have learned some control, if my poor decisions led to actual consequences.
     
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    I think this is my favorite answer. I'm doing it.
     
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    If any of you guys are interested in this research, this is the work of Jean Twenge, who’s a social science researcher / professor from San Diego State University.

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    iGen: Why Today's Super-Connected Kids Are Growing Up Less Rebellious, More Tolerant, Less Happy--and Completely Unprepared for Adulthood--and What That Means for the Rest of Us

    Her TEDx talk on the topic:


    View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UA8kZZS_bzc


    An Excerpt from Jonathan Haidt / Greg Lukianoff’s Book “The Coddling of the American Mind.” which also touches on this subject:

    “Twenge does this by examining all the daily activities reported by individual students, in the two datasets that include such measures. Twenge finds that there are just two activities that are significantly correlated with depression and other suicide-related outcomes (such as considering suicide, making a plan, or making an actual attempt): electronic device use (such as a smartphone, tablet, or computer) and watching TV. On the other hand, there are five activities that have inverse relationships with depression (meaning that kids who spend more hours per week on these activities show lower rates of depression): sports and other forms of exercise, attending religious services, reading books and other print media, in-person social interactions, and doing homework.
    Notice anything about the difference between the two lists? Screen versus nonscreen. When kids use screens for two hours of their leisure time per day or less, there is no elevated risk of depression.21 But above two hours per day, the risks grow larger with each additional hour of screen time. Conversely, kids who spend more time off screens, especially if they are engaged in nonscreen social activities, are at lower risk for depression and suicidal thinking. 22”
     
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    Anything on WiFi signals?
     
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    Moment has been a huge help for me, thanks for sharing. Stayfocusd on Google Chrome is also great -- just block the sites you normally go to, and then set a timer on how long you want to give yourself for those sites. For example, I am currently giving myself 90 minutes to check this forum, update my finances, log my habits/goals, etc. and when the 90 minutes is up, I'm done for the day. Stayfocusd is a lot like Moment (but for your computer) and you can even set a time for "active time" during the day like you can on Moment
     
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    This post really ought to be gold, if not at least notable. Such a great post by MJ. Thank you so much MJ for getting this all started. This amazing post changed my life in four different ways:

    1) Turned my phone to gray scale to combat addiction (Thanks to whoever recommended it)

    2) Turned off all of my notifications (Thanks MJ)

    3) Reduced my everyday phone screen time from 2.5 hours to 1 hour

    4) Am going to start using my iPod again because it keeps me off my phone
     
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    Hey Andy,

    Not sure if you or anyone else has ever tried it, but this is about as close as it gets to greyscaleing your computer --
    f.lux

    f.lux makes the color of your computer's display adapt to the time of day, warm at night and like sunlight during the day.

    It's even possible that you're staying up too late because of your computer. You could use f.lux because it makes you sleep better
     
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    Ok I did it. I’m trying this for at least 24 hours. I feel oddly peaceful..

    This. Is. So. Weird.

    I just got sleepy and I’m aware of my surroundings... huh.
     
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    Fighting this battle with my 10 year old daughter now..Even mom doesn't fully understand my position. All my daughter's friends have smartphones and instagram etc etc. I'm known as the strict dad in her circle of friends, simply because I dont allow her to do whatever she wants and buy her a smartphone. I mean how in the world will she survive and talk w friends if she doesn't have a smartphone right?!

    Personally, I really despise FB, snap, insta, kik, etc. IMO, this "tech" is nothing more than drugs being peddled by the likes of Zuckerberg, et al. (who I doubt even uses FB). This personal/family destroying "tech" makes it easier to commit adultery, waste massive amounts of time, brain atrophy, cause depression due to envy/jealousy, is ironically anti-social, on and on. I'm sure they're are some positive use cases (FLF, if you consider forums social media), but probably very few and far between.

    Smartphone is a powerful tool no doubt, when used responsibly. I don't watch news, or allow people access to myself 24/7. A portion of ea day I like to sit by myself and think. If I'm ever caught doing this (my wife and family understand) by anyone else, I'm accused of being depressed, weird, anti-social, etc. I mean, why would someone just sit by themselves, in peace and quiet, no phone or tv in the background, and think? Inconceivable..
     
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    The future will be owned by those who can control these dopamine addictions and their effects.

    If you meditate, I would give you an immediate advantage as it shows a level of self-awareness into how these devices can impact us. As mentioned before, the concern is not with the adults, but with the children who don't have the self-awareness and mental discipline to see what is happening.

    The other day I was in Target and I noticed this young girl (guessing 16, 17) who almost ran into a merchandising stand while buried in her smartphone. I saw her later at the checkout line. In the whole time I observed her, she NEVER allowed her eyes to leave her smartphone longer than 10 seconds (to pay the cashier). As she walked out (in front of me) into the parking lot ... same thing ... eyes buried in the smartphone.

    I'm truly horrified for the future.
     
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    My kids aren't old enough to where wanting a smart phone is an issue.

    But wanting sweets/candy/dessert is. That sugar rush is just as addicting.

    When there's something in the pantry (cookies I baked yesterday) my 2 year old is throwing a crying fit to get another one, and my 4 year old is pulling every negotiating tactic in the book to weasel one out of me.

    When there's nothing in the pantry... there's no problem. It's not even a discussion... there's literally nothing there to talk about. We don't have any, end of story, go eat some blueberries. The kids are fine.


    Parents are always talking about "how do you limit screen time". It's pretty easy when you don't have a tv or tablet in your house and your kid doesn't have a phone. They play with barbies and legos instead. Or *shock* go outside.

    I realize it becomes harder with peer pressure in middle school... I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.
     
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    97% of the time I want nothing to do with smartphones and social media. But when I'm travelling my phone is damn handy and when meeting people at a conference or wanting to get some eyes on a new website/project, social media is really handy.

    I'm tempted to delete all social media and see what it's like to launch a project WITHOUT it. Sometimes I think we don't realise how easy the internet has made it to start businesses, yet so many people still have trouble starting.
     
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    It has the great potential to ruin a generation. There's dopamine every other second. Facebook, Twitter, Instagram etc., scroll down your phone and you get is

    Dopamine
    Dopamine
    Dopamine
    Dopamine
    Dopamine
    Dopamine
    Dopamine
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    We don't even know the long term effects of this on public health. Smart phones have been out for 10 years, we don't know what it'll be like in 40 to 50 years time. However, I think society is becoming more aware of the health risks and no longer just stereotypical adults bemoaning a younger generation and 'kids stuck to their phones.' I imagine in the next 5 years we will see an increase in health risks to phone use.

    But it's a difficult warning to convey. Compare it to smoking and drinking. They are obvious; it is a single action which has a consequence. You wouldn't think that with mobile phones because you are not putting a physical substance into your body. 'Facebook is bad? Lol no, I'm just seeing what my friends are upto,' 'I'm just checking Maps to know where I'm going,' 'Hey I got a snapchat.' That's reasonable but your brain also just sees dopamine dopamine dopamine. It is subliminal.

    I have problems with it too, but I am aware and work on it. Sometimes it frustrates me. I can browse Facebook for a few seconds on my computer, leave the room to go boil the kettle or something and I'll find myself on Facebook, and I'm there like 'WHY ARE YOU ON HERE?! YOU WERE HERE LITERALLY 10 SECONDS AGO AND FOR NO REASON' to myself.
     

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