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Have Smartphones Destroyed A Generation?

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    I can understand the mental development issues that could potentially be caused by young people being plugged in 24/7.
    I still think the good outweighs the bad. Emergency situations and gps come to mind.

    Also how many of us on this board rely on a large portion of our revenue from mobile traffic/mobile advertising?
    I just checked google analytics and 69% of my website traffic comes from mobile devices. Less than 3 years ago it was 50% vs 50%.
    Cheap technology has allowed all types of people to access information at their fingertips.

    We all need to make sure we take personal responsibility in making sure our children or future children can socially function in person to person interactions.

    Sales and communication skills will become valued in a few years when these kids become adults and many cannot speak in public due to social anxiety.
    I will personally make sure my future children can communicate in a normal manner.
     
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    I personally put every non-necessity contact on "do not disturb" in my text messages. It allows me to answer friends and family at my convenience in texts. If it's an emergency they can still call. My wife and business associates are the only ones not on do not disturb on my messages.

    It will help your anxiety about feeling the need to instantly answer.
     
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    Basically we're asking people with little discipline to instill discipline to their children, when they cant even do it themselves.

    How much different is this than say an addictive drug? And then expecting its user to be disciplined user of it?

    I went to the doctor yesterday and had about 5 minutes in the waiting room.

    EVERYONE IN THE WAITING ROOM HAD THEIR HEADS DOWN SWIPING AND TAPPING INTO THEIR SMART PHONE.

    NO ONE LOOKED UP, NOR AT ONE ANOTHER.

    And here's the hook...

    Every single person in that room was at least 40 and older.

    This isn't just about a millenials or young people, it's about humanity.
     
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    We've become a world of socially retarded hermits.

    Surrounded by people, but still alone.

    Sad.

    On the plus side, it makes my probably 'less than great' social skills look pretty damn good haha.
     
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    I am guilty of this, but I have my face in my tablet in a book. In all fairness, I have spent a great deal of time at doctor's offices in the past year and a half and it's not like I needed to only be distracted for a few minutes. It's like "going for x kind of appt, need 2 books, going for y, need only 1 book"

    Besides, you'd want me to have TMF and UNSCRIPTED with me, wouldn't you? ;)
     
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    I think I was on facebook for a month or so before I got rid of my account. I found it amusing how everyone had a "tabloid-esque" page dedicated to themselves. Talk about needing external validation for a feeling of self worth.

    Isn't that what this all comes down to though? We all want to feel loved and needed. The Internet gives us that quick hit of dopamine that we crave, but it doesn't provide those deep connections that we're really seeking.

    Like so many things in life people generally tend to follow the path of least resistance. People would rather go on a fad diet than to eat right and work out, they'd rather pose as an expert and become an "influencer" instead of putting in the 10,000 hours to gain mastery in a skill and they'd rather spend their time on social media then to sit down with real people in their lives to cultivate real relationships.

    Look at the increasing obesity rates in the western world and then look at increase of use of antidepressants. We're living in the age of self inflicted disease - both of the body and the mind.

    Sigh... :(
     
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    This is absolutely amazing, and indeed true. I remembered reading an article somewhere, in which Steve Jobs mentioned that he did not allow his children to own iPads and lots of the other products created by his company, same for some of his executive management - smart move.

    While I will agree that smartphones facilitate us well in our day-to-day activities, it is important to create some type of self-control where necessary.

    The thing is self-control is a personal decision an individual must make to take charge of a situation, and the "forces that be" enjoy the fact that many of us are so carried away with this mobile aspect of life, it is a grand opportunity they use to control masses; far too many of us already believe every single word our governments tell us - after all, 'governments don't hurt people;' so, whatever is the craze today on smartphones, it is the ideal arena to keep minds preoccupied, while many of us are shielded from the harsh realities of the world.

    We live in a time where validation is required from all corners of the globe, and the more sucked in we become by it, the further away from reality we go; and the further from reality we go, the better for the "forces that be" - I don't believe it's a coincidence that smartphones have taken over our lives, I believe it became a necessity to keep the masses blindly occupied.
     
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    I was going to tell Greg the same thing. There's a reason I like to go on vacations where there is no internet for an entire week. Try camping for 2-3 days in a row in some remote area maybe 1-2 times a year.
     
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    But even before smartphones nobody ever looked at each other in a waiting room. The other day, I picked up a Sports Illustrated in a waiting room and thought, this is what I used to do when waiting for the doctor for 30 minutes.

    I don't know about this study. I used to ride the Metra train to work for 1 hour each way. I do remember meeting a couple people on the train that I saw everyday. But most rides were just me with a magazine or MP3 player or just me sleeping. I don't think people interact in general in enclosed spaces. Do you think that people on buses or subways actually stood and talked to each other in the 90's? We just stared into space instead.

    I do remember one ride on the Metra where I got American Pie on my laptop. Me and a co-worker started watching it during the ride home and we ended up with a small crowd behind us. That was the only time I remember interacting with people on my way home from work.
     
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    I think the issue isn't whether or not people talked to each other while traveling/waiting/etc before smart phones were around. The issue is that people are replacing real social interaction with fake internet interaction.

    Reading a newspaper/magazine on a train without talking to others is different than choosing to talk to others through text instead of face to face.

    The man who read the paper on the train still has to go out and talk to real people later to get his social fix for the day. The twitter DM'er got his social fix for the day during the train ride and doesn't need face to face communication afterwards.

    The reader becomes more educated/imaginative and socially skilled. The DM'er learns nothing and loses social skills.
     
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    I'm firmly in the camp of keeping my kids away from screens as much as possible. I've got two girls under three and they barely know there's such a thing as a computer.

    I was a teenager during the original 'net boom back in the 90s and, as much as it was (still is) a boon to have all that information ready to hand, it also developed some unhealthy habits that I still struggle with to this day. That's with a physical desktop that you can at least walk away from. Now you can take the thing everywhere -- I don't really envy kids growing up with that in their lives.

    I don't know about the scientific evidence for any of the doom-saying about smart phones, but I can repeat the sentiment echoed here. I use public transport routinely and it's rare to see people not plugged into a phone. Not that they'd be chatting it up otherwise, no, but it's more the point that they can't stay away from the news feed. Even setting aside the question of whether constant immersion in internet drama is legitimately harmful, is that any way to live? (Asked rhetorically, but for me the answer is "no", and probably is for anyone on this forum.)

    There's also a lot to be said about prudence in the face of novelty. When you introduce a new species to an ecosystem, it may do nothing at all, or it may destroy a balance that developed over a very long time. Maybe writing and radio and TV didn't do us in, but we're in a space that's wide-open for black swan events. There's also the point that these technologies aren't binary on/off events, but a continuum of increasingly refined ways to intrude into the private sphere.

    I don't know about all the apocalypse predictions. I just know I'm happier and more productive the less time I spend at a screen. I closed all my social media several years ago and try to spend as much time as I can with my family. Things seem better that way. Your mileage may vary.
     
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    I find articles like this to be HORSESHIT btw I very rarely swear. Understand that NONE of the data this so called "researcher" quoting is actually backed up by any real data. There is no real study quoted. There is not real sample stated. ZERO Scientific data. Even the graphs are lacking any real data! How many people where sampled? Where did they live? Seriously there is no hard data anywhere in this article but hey facts, numbers, scientific process, statistics based on fact, sample size, who needs that? I will draw squiggly lines on a graph that support what I want to say but are supported by nothing but what I say and most people will think hmm.... interesting CLICK share on Facebook goes viral and I keep my job. Rinse and repeat. Seriously if someone gave you data like this on a business investment and asked to put money on the table you would be INSANE to do it. Caveat emptor
     
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    I make 100% of my income via my smartphone the restaurant delivery service I work for send me my orders on my phone I also use market research apps that pay to take pictures of products and displays at retailers. If a smartphone is used correctly it can be a valuable tool. If it's used to take pictures every meal you eat the an it's a problem
     
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    I think the difference is you can't become literally addicted to Sports Illustrated like you can the constant small dopamine hits from social media/tech. (Edit: wrong link haha, I'll find the right one. Edit #2: Fixed.)

    Same with the picture up-thread of everyone on the subway reading a newspaper. Once the paper was read, it's done.

    You don't pick up a magazine or newspaper every 2 minutes to see if something changed or someone texted you or whatever.
     
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    I work in a cell phone store currently (not a fastlane I know) and it saddens me to see how many parents decide the best way to parent their kids is by handing them an iPad and ignoring them.


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    From what I see it's not smartphones per se that are destroying a generation, but how a generation is using them. Just imagine how much good smartphones could do if used properly - a generation has all the knowledge and wisdom accessible 24/7, but is too blind to see it and too death to hear it.
     
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    Bingo.

    We're talking about two different chemical reactions in the brain.

    Not to mention that an iPad/iGadget has replaced the quantity of parenting. A
     
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    The depression and suicide part surprises me.
    I theorize it might be because teens(and adults) have literally become stupid.
    No knowledge and curiosity about the world would make anyone question their life.
     
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    Yeah, smartphones would be perfect if they weren't perfectly and expertly designed to be one of the most addictive things most people interact with.

    It was one thing back when blackberries allowed folks to check email on the go - it was a "stop everything, I need to check this" annoyance but not the biggest deal. But now with social media, apps, games, aggregate news sites, videos, etc... literally EVERY piece of downtime is screen time. Even when other people are in front of you!

    Playing a game and it's not your turn? Phone.
    Talking and you aren't really that interested? Phone.
    Beep or ding of any kind? Phone.
    Someone else is on their phone and you realize you could be too? Phone.
    Taking a piss and figure you have 30 seconds? Phone.
    Walking in public? Phone. And bumping into people but who cares because phone.

    Humans have effectively killed downtime with smartphones and I think it's generally pretty terrible.

    As a tool it's fantastic but as an addiction it's one of the worst things to come around in a long, long while.
     
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    Still using a flip phone and have no intention of replacing it.
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    I don't think smartphones destroyed a generation, but they changed it a lot. It's fine, everything changes as time go on.
     
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    Not sure about anyone else, but that pictures terrifies me. And I see it everywhere.

    It reminds me of an old Star Trek episode called The Game.