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Has anyone here taken a "Landmark Education" course?

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    I went to a meeting last night (I suspect this is their marketing strategy) that talks about some of their classes. It piqued my curiosity so I want to know what others have to say.
     
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    Oh boy, here we go...
     
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    lol... I'm guessing this has already been discussed? haha
     
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    I don't think so, but I'm sure it's likened to degenerate into discussion that rivals religion and politics.
     
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    I have no strong feelings one way or the other.

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    Have you guys taken the course?

    I'm more interested in knowing what alumni of the course have to say about it really.

    That, and the measurable results that it allowed them to attain.
     
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    idk anything about it. so im just gonna stay neutral and observe ;)
     
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    I've known several people who've experienced the program. Not sure about "measurable results"... it definitely seems like a Your Mileage May Vary type of thing. I'm most interested in how such programs are marketed.

    Dan Kennedy says that Werner Erhard, the founder of EST (which is where Landmark comes from), privately said to him "We preach independence but breed dependence." That seems to be the key to a great deal of self-help and self-improvement programs. But it doesn't mean that those things don't benefit many people.
     
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    Yes I have, and it made me rich......






















    ...rich in experience how easy it is to make money off idiots :rofl:
     
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    Google it with the word "scam" "cult" "reviews" and "recommendations" and see what you learn. You'll get many opinions on the subject.
     
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    I read in an article that at some point in the program when the participants are really moved, they must call one person and ask them for forgiveness. That's a pretty powerful way to utilize viral marketing since the person they call will probably be moved by the call and tell their friends or family about it.. piquing everyone elses curiosity and generating a sort of buzz.

    Everything I've read so far is all about the experience, but I'm more interested to know how the participants do years after the program... Although, if what Dan says is true... I seriously doubt they are selling anything more than an 'experience'.
     
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    I have friends that have taken it and said that it was very worthwhile. It is a serious program with solid personal grow tools and teachings. If you want to learn and grow you will, if you want to see pick it apart and find all its flaws and call it a rip off, then you will probably achieve that as well.
     
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    I've just signed up for January 4-days seminar. I'm a bit sceptical but open-minded. Let's see how it goes!
     
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    I've done the Landmark Forum and their Advanced course.

    I actually really enjoyed it. It's reasonably priced for a 3-day seminar and a 2 month followup course. It's more experiential than informational, but I still use a lot the stuff they explore in there. (Concepts like "rackets", etc.)

    Their marketing is …cult-y. They're super high pressure about bringing people to the final night so they can pitch them on the Forum.

    TL, DR version---Cool course. Super weird and creepy organization.
     
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    I searched the fastlane forum to see if landmark had been discussed recently and I'm surprised that this thread in 2014 was the only one.

    My girlfriend did the course in November (she actually went to the October one and walked out after 3 hours!) but decided to give it another go. She's a very smart girl (barrister, speaks 4 languages etc.) and she loved it the second time round.

    I did it last weekend, I went in extremely skeptical and after a very long boring day 1 I loved day 2 and 3. I'd highly recommend it to anyone. One of my favourite books is The Power of Now and I had no idea that landmark are basically teaching ways to become more present and free the chattering of the monkey mind. I've listened to The Power of Now 4-5 times and I never really got it all but after the forum I've been listening again and it's all making sense now.

    The main benefit I took away was that I became aware of blind spots and limitations in my own thinking or way of processing the world. Our past experiences cloud our judgement and we usually aren't aware of these filters, it's like baggage we carry around without knowing it, the whole course is designed to just show you this baggage/idiosyncrasies and then once you're aware of it you can decide what's helping you vrs what's hindering you. Highly recommended
     
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    I did one entire year of training with Landmark back in 2014 and 2015. I got a lot more out of it by actually participating as a coach and teaching the things that I learned because of the experience and the coaching. It’s not something designed specifically for making money. There are plenty of people who make money or still emotionally f*cked. That being said is designed unblock you mentally. I haven’t been back to a center in over Three years and I can definitely say it was one of the best trainings I’ve ever done. However what one of the people here said about it breeding dependence is relatively true. The reason this is true is because they say “stay in the conversation” . Which basically means to stay around the center with people who are doing Landmark to keep the landmark way of thinking alive in your mind. However this is very similar to simply having a good group of people around you who you learn from and take good qualities from just like we do by having solid entrepreneurial friends.

    Evan pagan and Grant Cardone both talk about Landmark in a good light. I may not be a multi millionaire yet but if I were my life would still not be as good simply because I would still have Plenty of emotional baggage which Id have no idea how to deal with.

    When I coached Landmark there was a girl in my group who didn’t buy in to absolutely anything we were doing. She didn’t Participate at all and yet went through two months of the course showing up every time. When the course is over she looked at me as if I had
     
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    One final thought, I think that Landmark does a lot more to develop people as leaders in all walks of life. The whole point of many of his courses is to develop leadership qualities coincidentally. They showed me what looks like to be able to inspire other people by focusing on creating a possibility rather than being stuck in status quo. It also shows showed me what it’s like to be in a group of people were all pushing to reinforce each other‘s excellence. He showed me how to get off of all stories that I told myself which would keep me trapped or use them as excuses. I basically think it just grows you the hell up. Obvious is not perfect and they use a lot of free labor the volunteers because that’s just the way their business model works. But at the end of the day There training is way cheaper. Then most trainings I have found. For example Tony Robbins coaching is $5000 without the additional educational modules. Landmark is like $2000 for three courses over the over entire year. So everything has its pros and cons. One thing I definitely learned is that if I’m going to do a training it needs to be done over a long period of time like a year in order to actually integrate what I’ve learned to make it permanent.
     
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    No “he” or “his”.. using speech to text to respond while driving lol sorry about the weird typos.
     
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    Lol sorry I was driving and the app was being weird and not posting. Not directly what happened.

    Speech to text is kinda iffy sometimes.

    Anyway what I was going to say was that she looked at me as if I had cheated her: as if it was my fault she didn’t get much out of course. Literally have me a look of disappointment, shaking her head at me and saying nothing. And she’s the kind of people who walks away and leaves sh*tty reviews about landmark, says its all a scam, and tells others to steer clear. But hey, that’s the way life is. She got what she put in to it.

    Also, as I mentioned before about being emotionally screwed up yet still being able to make money... one guy who I coached (he should have been the one coaching me TBH he’s a f*cking powerhouse) is at least worth tens of millions. I’m not sure exactly but he lives in west palm beach, drives a new rolls Royce on the regular, and builds hotels around the world. Why was he there? To show how smart he is? No, to learn something new. Get get someone to kick his a$$ and show him where he’s full of sh*t. He raised like $200k for an event he through as part of the program we were doing within like a month and a half. Next to him I’m our group was a single mom who’s “project” was to get her community to basically have a pot luck. Lol the distinctions the rich guy learned were different from the ones the single mom learned, and it didn’t matter I had only taken the course once before coaching it myself.

    Landmark apparently used to be way more aggressive about this when Werner ran it as the Est training.

    I believe I’m investing in myself and giving whatever training, even if it’s sh*tty, my best effort. I wasn’t an experienced coach, but what does that matter? We all knew what the curriculum said to do and we were essentially following a boilerplate structure. It can be improved but the kinds of improvements I’d make require more time and dedication on a per person basis. This is more like production line fast paced “bang bang bang” pulling people out of their bullshit as fast as possible.

    My family members who went in skeptical didn’t get sh*t out of it. My friends who do value investing in themselves absolutely loved the forum.
     
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    So apparently I say “sh*t” a lot. Lol ah well
     

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