Get Cashflow with Affiliate Marketing

[Giuseppe verdi]

Hello everyone.

This is my fist post on FLF and I hope than I can help you to start your entrepreneurial activity. I've been doing affiliate marketing for over a year. I started by launching campaigns on facebook with only 5€ per day until today I spend more than 4-5K/day. Affiliate marketing is not an entrepreneurial activity, I'm aware of that but I think it's a good way for people with little money to generate a cashflow to dedicate to their fastline projects.

For those of you unfamiliar with Affiliate Marketing, let me briefly explain. It's about selling third party products using a source of traffic.
So the actors are: the advertiser (the one who has to sell the product), the affiliate network (the intermediary who puts the advertiser in contact with the sellers) and the affiliate (the sellers, i.e. us).

I have experience of selling with facebook as a traffic source and I make myself available for any questions for those who would like to start generating cash flow to dedicate it to fastline activities.

What would you like to know about this speculation?

Let me know.

Giuseppe

 

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[PapaGang]

Hello everyone.

This is my fist post on FLF and I hope than I can help you to start your entrepreneurial activity. I've been doing affiliate marketing for over a year. I started by launching campaigns on facebook with only 5€ per day until today I spend more than 4-5K/day. Affiliate marketing is not an entrepreneurial activity, I'm aware of that but I think it's a good way for people with little money to generate a cashflow to dedicate to their fastline projects.

For those of you unfamiliar with Affiliate Marketing, let me briefly explain. It's about selling third party products using a source of traffic.
So the actors are: the advertiser (the one who has to sell the product), the affiliate network (the intermediary who puts the advertiser in contact with the sellers) and the affiliate (the sellers, i.e. us).

I have experience of selling with facebook as a traffic source and I make myself available for any questions for those who would like to start generating cash flow to dedicate it to fastline activities.

What would you like to know about this speculation?

Let me know.

Giuseppe

Would you consider writing operas to be Fastlane?

 

[DashRendar]

Hello everyone.

This is my fist post on FLF and I hope than I can help you to start your entrepreneurial activity. I've been doing affiliate marketing for over a year. I started by launching campaigns on facebook with only 5€ per day until today I spend more than 4-5K/day. Affiliate marketing is not an entrepreneurial activity, I'm aware of that but I think it's a good way for people with little money to generate a cashflow to dedicate to their fastline projects.

For those of you unfamiliar with Affiliate Marketing, let me briefly explain. It's about selling third party products using a source of traffic.
So the actors are: the advertiser (the one who has to sell the product), the affiliate network (the intermediary who puts the advertiser in contact with the sellers) and the affiliate (the sellers, i.e. us).

I have experience of selling with facebook as a traffic source and I make myself available for any questions for those who would like to start generating cash flow to dedicate it to fastline activities.

What would you like to know about this speculation?

Let me know.

Giuseppe

Hi Giuseppe,

I appreciate that you're taking the time to explain your affiliate marketing strategy to others. That said, I can't help but disagree with your logic that affiliate marketing is a great way to generate cashflow.

I am an ex-affiliate myself. I used to sell lead-gen offers on Facebook. I actually had one campaign that was earning me about $6,000 in profit over about 6 months. (I know, not big money. But that's more than 99% of people who try affiliate marketing will ever make.)

Why did I stop? Because earning steady income from affiliate marketing is a complete nightmare. Because you have no control over what you're selling, the offer owner can turn off your income stream whenever they want.

That $6,000 campaign? I had to pause it after I capped out on one of my lead gen offers. The offer owner wasn't doing a good job of monetizing those leads, and the lead quality was much lower than it should have been. I explained the situation with my affiliate manager, but the offer owner did nothing to fix the problem. If I owned the offer, I could have improved the lead quality in a heartbeat just by sending the leads to the right businesses. But I couldn't do that, because I was just an affiliate.

Of course, not having control over the offer isn't that important if you're just trying to raise some capital. Where it becomes a problem is when you lose that source of capital because the offer owner is doing a crappy job monetizing those leads. No one's going to keep paying you if you're not making them money, and all the work you've done as an affiliate becomes worthless once the payouts stop.

Besides, the profit margins in affiliate marketing SUCK. I remember one month where I generated over $6k in revenue, but only made about $1200 in profit. Everything else went into ads and tools. With thin margins like that it's hard to scale a campaign into significant numbers without having a lot of money to begin with or going into significant debt.

It's because of this experience that I think the best way to generate cashflow when starting out is to either get a job or freelance. Think about it. All of have to do is show up, do what's asked of you, and you get paid. There's no risk on your part whatsoever. When you don't have a lot of money to burn through, I think working a regular or freelance job is a much better way to generate capital than trying to be one of the 1% of people who make significant income with affiliate marketing. Just my opinion.

 

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[MJ DeMarco]

Hi Giuseppe,

I appreciate that you're taking the time to explain your affiliate marketing strategy to others. That said, I can't help but disagree with your logic that affiliate marketing is a great way to generate cashflow.

I am an ex-affiliate myself. I used to sell lead-gen offers on Facebook. I actually had one campaign that was earning me about $6,000 in profit over about 6 months. (I know, not big money. But that's more than 99% of people who try affiliate marketing will ever make.)

Why did I stop? Because earning steady income from affiliate marketing is a complete nightmare. Because you have no control over what you're selling, the offer owner can turn off your income stream whenever they want.

That $6,000 campaign? I had to pause it after I capped out on one of my lead gen offers. The offer owner wasn't doing a good job of monetizing those leads, and the lead quality was much lower than it should have been. I explained the situation with my affiliate manager, but the offer owner did nothing to fix the problem. If I owned the offer, I could have improved the lead quality in a heartbeat just by sending the leads to the right businesses. But I couldn't do that, because I was just an affiliate.

Of course, not having control over the offer isn't that important if you're just trying to raise some capital. Where it becomes a problem is when you lose that source of capital because the offer owner is doing a crappy job monetizing those leads. No one's going to keep paying you if you're not making them money, and all the work you've done as an affiliate becomes worthless once the payouts stop.

Besides, the profit margins in affiliate marketing SUCK. I remember one month where I generated over $6k in revenue, but only made about $1200 in profit. Everything else went into ads and tools. With thin margins like that it's hard to scale a campaign into significant numbers without having a lot of money to begin with or going into significant debt.

It's because of this experience that I think the best way to generate cashflow when starting out is to either get a job or freelance. Think about it. All of have to do is show up, do what's asked of you, and you get paid. There's no risk on your part whatsoever. When you don't have a lot of money to burn through, I think working a regular or freelance job is a much better way to generate capital than trying to be one of the 1% of people who make significant income with affiliate marketing. Just my opinion.

Thanks for the insight...

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[Miketing]

How do you judge what kind of affiliate offers are worth trying to sell? Or do you just test a lot?

Do you just send traffic to the affiliate's site, or do you create your own funnel?

What kind of commission % do you usually make?

Why don't you buy the products in bulk or buy the rights to them if digital, or even make your own products for higher margins?

 

[PapaGang]

@broswoodwork @Giuseppe verdi
I couldn't resist. Sorry.

 

[Giuseppe verdi]

How do you judge what kind of affiliate offers are worth trying to sell? Or do you just test a lot?

Do you just send traffic to the affiliate's site, or do you create your own funnel?

What kind of commission % do you usually make?

Why don't you buy the products in bulk or buy the rights to them if digital, or even make your own products for higher margins?

Hi, I'll try to answer you point by point.

To choose a supply, I first analyze the demand in that particular vertical. If I see that the affiliate product can respond to it I try to test it.

Depends on the affiliate network you work with. There are some networks that allow you to work with API (today I only work with them) and in this way I can work with my own sales funnel. Other affiliate networks only allow you to work with their landing pages and so you can only send traffic to them by entering your pixel to track the user's actions.

To date, working with higher budgets, the average percentage I can generate is 20 to 50% ROI.

That's the way I'm going to go next. When you are just starting out, you prefer to specialize only in sales, not having to manage the customer afterwards. You still have good margins and can start with low budgets. If I had more budget in the beginning I would have focused on selling first and then specialise in the rest of the flow.

 

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[Giuseppe verdi]

Can you describe the kind of affiliate funnel you run on Fb ads? I mean the structure. Do you do a pre-sell page? Or do you capture emails?

What kind of payout do you need for this to be profitable, and what kind of ROI do you get (that is, when you spend 5k in a day, how much does that bring in on average)?

It depends on what kind of offer I'm going to sponsor. Whether we're talking about Lead Generation or selling physical products (I don't sell infoproducts).

In the case of Lead Generation I just need to have the email. These kind of offers pay little but on large numbers you get money (considering that something will always be rejected).

In the case of sales of physical products I have different strategies that depend on the type of vertical (pet, nutra, cosmetics, gadgets, etc.).

Sometimes I talk about a specific problem in an advertorial (es. nutra) that sends the user back to the sales page of the product that goes to solve that specific problem.

Other times, for example if we have to sell a watch (gadget), I directly sponsor the sales page.

The strategy must be built according to the type of product and the type of angle you want to use.

The payout depends on the type of product you're selling. If I have to sell a $59 product the minimum payout I expect is $18 or more.
If I have to sell a $300+ product the minimum payout I expect is $60. On average at least 1/3 of the selling price.

The ROI for example on 5K of spending can vary from 20% to 60%, depending on the skill you have in the sale (perceived value) and especially the quality of the product. If the product is really working you have high percentages of ROI.

If you have more specific questions, go ahead!

 

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[Giuseppe verdi]

@Giuseppe verdi Hope you're well and thanks once again for starting this thread.
Bumping my previous question in case you missed it. Thanks in advance!

Hey solodolo,

I'm sorry, I thought I answered you, but I didn't. Then I'll try to answer you in the best possible way.
To start doing this job, you must have the following skills:

1. To know graphics programs (e.g. Photoshop, or tool like this: https://www.canva.com/ );
2. To know a source of traffic. To start with, I recommend Facebook. You can take free courses on the Blueprint platform ( Facebook Blueprint );
3. Get to know video editing programs (e.g. TechSmith Camtasia | Screen Recorder & Video Editor );
4. Have some budget to invest. (Depends on your availability)
5. Knowledge of code to create Landing Page or alternatively use a CMS like Wordpress with a plug in like Elementor ( Elementor: #1 Free WordPress Page Builder );
6. To track at the beginning I suggest you to use only the pixel of Facebook, without investing money with programs like Voluumm. Once you have mastered the Facebook Pixel, then you will start evaluating an external tracker.
7. Forget about paid forums some STM, at the beginning you can find a lot of information for free on Facebook Blueprint (the link I gave you above) and on various groups on Facebook (ex. Facebook Ad Buyers );

In general I recommend people to start with as little money as possible so that they learn the basics well.

I hope I have been useful to you. If you have more questions go ahead

 

[PapaGang]

What do you mean?

Your name. Operas. A certain Italian composer.

 

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[Entre Eyes]

The 2 guys that created Wealthy Affiliate make a mint because the entire structure is set up for people to create review sites then pitch Wealthy Affiliate.

Affiliates Thousandnaires at best.
Creators Millionaires/Fastlane.

Have you ever thought to become the creator and have the affiliate army selling for YOU while you sleep?

 

[Giuseppe verdi]

Hi, thanks for sharing your knowledge! I had a couple questions:

• How often do you test new ads?
• Do you have a designer on your media buying team?
• What blackhat strategies can you run on FB?
• How do you test if a new product is worth running on FB or not?
• Has FB ever banned your accounts?

Hi rabbitizzle, you are welcome! I'll try to answer point by point:

• When I have to launch a new ads, I start to study the product I have to sell, then:

- I create landing pages
- I create facebook page
- I study my target ( interests, age, gender, etc.)
- I create creativity that I will use to run campaigns (images and videos)
- I prepare Facebook campaign
- Launch of the campaign

Usually I try to start 1 campaign with 3 adset with 1 ad for its (with image or video and copy). I can try with 30$/day or 90$/day (depends on budget) for CPA like 22$.
The next day I'm going to check to see if I've had any conversions. If an adset doesn't convert within 2xCpa value then I turn it off. I leave only what goes on and try to make other ads to increase the ad winning. If the campaign is profitable in the first 3 days then I work it.
If it doesn't convert within 3 days I turn it off.
This is a brief summary of how to test a sales campaign on Facebook.

• Yes, we have a designer for big project. But all guys in the media buyer team are skilled in editing video, editing photo so they don't need designer.
• To blackhat with Facebook you have to know how to use tracker and cloaker. It's the only way today. This way you can launch products that would not be allowed by Facebook's policy.
• I'll try to see if there's a question first, thanks to the tools that facebook gives you to study the target. Then I see if there are competitors selling similar products. Then the real test is to launch a campaign and see how the market responds.
• I can't remember how many bans we received. xD

I hope I've been helpful.

 

[Giuseppe verdi]

Would you consider writing operas to be Fastlane?

It depends on the demand and how much value you can offer with what you offer.

 

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[Champion]

I woud also be interested in the same questions that Mrsoic has asked!

Best
Champion

 

[Giuseppe verdi]

I woud also be interested in the same questions that Mrsoic has asked!

Best
Champion

I just answered man!

Best
Giuseppe

 

[Bellsman]

Your name. Operas. A certain Italian composer.

lol

 

[palneoon]

Can you describe the kind of affiliate funnel you run on Fb ads? I mean the structure. Do you do a pre-sell page? Or do you capture emails?

What kind of payout do you need for this to be profitable, and what kind of ROI do you get (that is, when you spend 5k in a day, how much does that bring in on average)?

 

[paulan]

Thanks for the thread!

How do you spend that kind of budgets these days on Facebook? Do you do Whitehat?

 

[Deleted58089]

I've got another question related to affiliate marketing in general.

I want to start a new project where I connect two different parties selling info products in the same niche and take some profit from both sides.

Only one of them will be doing the selling, through his own sales channels, and I want to make a deal with him to include the other guy's product as a part of his offer. So essentially I'll earn a commission for increasing the sales for both of them, but for every sale the first guy makes.
I hope my description is clear enough.

My question is, do you have any suggestions how to set up a payment structure like this?

 

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[Deleted58089]

So if I understand you correctly, you want to know how to technically do what you say?

Yes exactly. And whether this can be arranged with an affiliate like deal.

 

[Entre Eyes]

Hi Entre Eyes, do you work for Wealthy Affiliate?

Hey there....of course not. But I do not knock it for those that do.

For many maybe its their first cash online.

But only 10 people are going to make it to the first page of a review site and I can not even remember last time I ever clicked to 2nd page.

That does force you to be a bit more creative and that is always good.

Was just making a real world example.

 

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[Entre Eyes]

Hello everyone.

This is my fist post on FLF and I hope than I can help you to start your entrepreneurial activity. I've been doing affiliate marketing for over a year. I started by launching campaigns on facebook with only 5€ per day until today I spend more than 4-5K/day. Affiliate marketing is not an entrepreneurial activity, I'm aware of that but I think it's a good way for people with little money to generate a cashflow to dedicate to their fastline projects.

For those of you unfamiliar with Affiliate Marketing, let me briefly explain. It's about selling third party products using a source of traffic.
So the actors are: the advertiser (the one who has to sell the product), the affiliate network (the intermediary who puts the advertiser in contact with the sellers) and the affiliate (the sellers, i.e. us).

I have experience of selling with facebook as a traffic source and I make myself available for any questions for those who would like to start generating cash flow to dedicate it to fastline activities.

What would you like to know about this speculation?

Let me know.

Giuseppe

I would pick a lucrative niche....one that is tailored to this social distancing era we are living in now.

Focus primarily on building a list in that niche with a helpful opt in freebie.

You can promote away after that with much better odds in my opinion.

 

[paulan]

What do you mean "How do you spend that kind of budgets these days"? I didn't understand the question. I work both Whitehat and Blackhat.

Do you spend it on a few FB ad accounts or on many?
Do you have a team or work alone?
How much do you do Whitehat and Blackaht in % of campaigns?

 

[Giuseppe verdi]

Do you spend it on a few FB ad accounts or on many?
Do you have a team or work alone?
How much do you do Whitehat and Blackaht in % of campaigns?

I spend it on a few FB as accounts. I have an a media buyer team that run campaigns with us. 70% Whitehat and 30% Black hat.

 

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[Brendiesel47]

Hello everyone.

This is my fist post on FLF and I hope than I can help you to start your entrepreneurial activity. I've been doing affiliate marketing for over a year. I started by launching campaigns on facebook with only 5€ per day until today I spend more than 4-5K/day. Affiliate marketing is not an entrepreneurial activity, I'm aware of that but I think it's a good way for people with little money to generate a cashflow to dedicate to their fastline projects.

For those of you unfamiliar with Affiliate Marketing, let me briefly explain. It's about selling third party products using a source of traffic.
So the actors are: the advertiser (the one who has to sell the product), the affiliate network (the intermediary who puts the advertiser in contact with the sellers) and the affiliate (the sellers, i.e. us).

I have experience of selling with facebook as a traffic source and I make myself available for any questions for those who would like to start generating cash flow to dedicate it to fastline activities.

What would you like to know about this speculation?

Let me know.

Giuseppe

This is very interesting... when can I get started?

 

[paulan]

I spend it on a few FB as accounts. I have an a media buyer team that run campaigns with us. 70% Whitehat and 30% Black hat.

How big is your media buyer team?
Did this corona thing affected your campaigns ROIs?

 

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[RazorCut]

Hi Giuseppe, I hope you and yours are keeping well.

I have a few questions for you. What countries do you usually target and how has the pandemic affected Facebook cost per click, if at all?

Also how accurate in your experience would you say the Wordstream CPC and Click Through rates are in the verticals you market in?

 

[Giuseppe verdi]

Hi Giuseppe, I hope you and yours are keeping well.

I have a few questions for you. What countries do you usually target and how has the pandemic affected Facebook cost per click, if at all?

Also how accurate in your experience would you say the Wordstream CPC and Click Through rates are in the verticals you market in?

Hi RazorCut,I'm ok, I hope the same for you.

Usually I run Italian campaigns and we haven't (for now) increase of CPC, just a little bit.

I couldn't tell you since I've never used WordStream.

 

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[rabbitizzle]

Hi, thanks for sharing your knowledge! I had a couple questions:

• How often do you test new ads?
• Do you have a designer on your media buying team?
• What blackhat strategies can you run on FB?
• How do you test if a new product is worth running on FB or not?
• Has FB ever banned your accounts?

 

[Digamma]

Hi rabbitizzle, you are welcome! I'll try to answer point by point:

• When I have to launch a new ads, I start to study the product I have to sell, then:

- I create landing pages
- I create facebook page
- I study my target ( interests, age, gender, etc.)
- I create creativity that I will use to run campaigns (images and videos)
- I prepare Facebook campaign
- Launch of the campaign

Usually I try to start 1 campaign with 3 adset with 1 ad for its (with image or video and copy). I can try with 30$/day or 90$/day (depends on budget) for CPA like 22$.
The next day I'm going to check to see if I've had any conversions. If an adset doesn't convert within 2xCpa value then I turn it off. I leave only what goes on and try to make other ads to increase the ad winning. If the campaign is profitable in the first 3 days then I work it.
If it doesn't convert within 3 days I turn it off.
This is a brief summary of how to test a sales campaign on Facebook.

• Yes, we have a designer for big project. But all guys in the media buyer team are skilled in editing video, editing photo so they don't need designer.
• To blackhat with Facebook you have to know how to use tracker and cloaker. It's the only way today. This way you can launch products that would not be allowed by Facebook's policy.
• I'll try to see if there's a question first, thanks to the tools that facebook gives you to study the target. Then I see if there are competitors selling similar products. Then the real test is to launch a campaign and see how the market responds.
• I can't remember how many bans we received. xD

I hope I've been helpful.

Got a few question:

• What kind of landing pages do you create for affiliate products? I ask because many (most, actually) programs I see require you to send traffic to their lander. Or do you make "bridge" advertorial pages and then link from there?
• If it's the second, could you make an example of how a funnel like that would look like? A fake example, of course. Is it something like ad ⇒ story or news presell page (your lander) ⇒ their lander?
• Do you have any experience on native ads networks, like Taboola?
• Most important q: how do you deal with the bans? How do you get different accounts & how do you deal with having different payment methods on each? I heard something about some banking setup that makes you able to generate credit cards connected to a main account (like for employees and so on), and using that. But it's not my field so I'm very confused. I'm specifically interested in how you do that in Italy.

Thank you for the great info.

 

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