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Feb 5th 2021 update:

So just some quick things to add to this thread as to how the program is going…

- The program has been active for over a year and a half now, and we have worked with close to 300 students at this stage. Around 100-150 of these people are on the Fastlane forums.

- The results so far have been very positive. We have around 30 reviews on this thread already, and a few more over on Trustpilot. We will work on getting more (I haven’t really pushed it in the past), as they help people a lot to see how the program is and what results you can expect.

- Our newer students are getting great results quicker and quicker. We keep trying to dial in how to get people going as fast as possible and it seems to be paying off.

- Our top students have now successfully started using web design to launch other Fastlane style businesses. This is one of the main goals of this program. Students who have been with us from the beginning have now successfully started other Fastlane businesses on top of web design, using skills they learnt through the program.

- With the team and support side of things, we now have some top students who help on the application calls. This is great – if you decide to apply, you will get a chance to hear from a real student, who can then share their own progress with the program, and answer your questions.

- We also have a team of around 6 staff members, and will be hiring some extra VAs shortly. We keep improving the program, and increasing the value all the time.

- The program is now lifetime access. You pay once, and that is it. No upsells or yearly fees.

- If you are thinking of joining in 2021, just fill out the quiz and hop on a call with a student. There is no pressure to join, and you can ask any questions you might have about business, web design, and the program itself.

Also if you are a current/past student:

- we would love you to leave a review on this thread or TrustPilot. We haven’t asked people to do it in the past, but it does help a lot to show others if it is worth it for them to join and what to expect.

Any questions on any of this - just post up in this thread, or fill out a quiz and talk to us.

Thanks everyone.


When this program first launched it was already a crazy time, and since then it has gotten a lot crazier! 2020 and 2021 are big years with a lot of things changing, and lots of opportunities being created. As far as this program goes the big question is still “is web design a good choice right now?”.

As we did in the popular 2020 version of this thread, we will attempt to help people understand exactly what web design is about, and how it can be a great first step towards bigger business goals right now.

Is web design still a profitable business in 2021?

If you have been following me for a while on here or on Youtube, you probably know I first started a web design business back in 2016. If you missed it, I have a full gold thread on how it went here.
In short, things went very well, I posted about it online, others wanted some help starting their own online web design businesses, and eventually the school (and now this program) got started.

But as far as things go a lot has changed since 2016 – the economy, politics, lockdowns, business trends, the global marketplace and so on. Every week there is some new global event, and it is easy to get distracted.

While on the surface it looks like a lot has changed, I don’t think that is the case. I strongly feel that business, and the principles behind it, actually haven't changed one bit. The people focused on the right things are only doing better over the last while.

So if you are ready let’s get into it …

Can web design still work in 2021 and if so is it a good choice?

This thread somewhat assumes you are open to the idea of starting a web design business. Maybe you have even thought about trying web design in the past, but you were not 100% sure if it was the right thing for YOU to pursue among all the different options out there.

Either way, the most common questions (and what we will cover in this thread) are:
  • Is web design still a good option right now?
  • How hard is it to learn and make money?
  • Can I learn this with no past experience?
  • How much coding skills do I have to learn to sell websites?
  • How fast can I sell my first project?
  • Is it too late for me to compete against others doing this for years?
  • Can I take this step without getting stuck in something that's NOT right for me?
If any of these questions sound familiar, then keep reading because I’ll answer all these below.

My goal is that by the time you finish reading this thread, you can definitively say either—“Yes, web design is a good option that fits with my long-term Fastlane plans”—or—“No, I can safely rule out web design for now.

If you get stuck at any point, just post up your questions or fill out a quiz and talk to us.

On top of this, you likely want a business to tick some important boxes:

These are the common personal requirements we also see people asking about when it comes to web design. They are not questions exactly but more “will it be possible to achieve this” type goals.

Let’s cover them first...
  • You are looking for a viable business model that can actually work - no playing around
  • You’re looking for a business model with very little or no downside risk
  • You need to be cash-flow positive in a short amount of time. You can’t wait all year to start making money.
  • You don’t have the ability to invest $10,000s to buy a business or be able to order a bunch of inventory
  • You don’t want to have to go back to zero and start entirely from scratch—or even worse, try to get a job
  • You don’t want to get involved involved with “the next big thing” that is gone a week later
  • You want something easy to run with no need for staff, an office, in-person meetings or supply chains
  • You prefer to build a skill set that is transferable if needed and useful in all business areas
  • You also want something that can be part of your bigger long-term Fastlane plan
  • You need to be able to start right away using only the skills and resources you already have
If some or all of these sound like things you want from your next business idea, the good news is web design ticks all these boxes and more. If you want to see how, just keep reading. I'll show you how in this thread.

So what does it take to succeed in web design in 2020?

For the last 4+ years, I’ve been lucky enough to help a lot of people get started with web design.
Through Fox Web School, this forum, and several other places we have built a great community of people who have learned web design in a practical and profitable way.

I try not to promote too heavily on the forums, but there have been at least 100-150 members on here I have worked directly with. I also started the Fox Web School YouTube channel that has now over 18,000 subscribers, and we used to have a Facebook group with over 12,000 members.

This has allowed me to work with, teach and coach literally thousands of web designers. What I want to cover below are the clear trends I have noticed on why some of these people succeed, while others get stuck or fail over and over.

Using an approach that works well some students have made very fast progress with zero previous experience. (I'll give specific examples in just a moment.)

They have sold their very first website for MORE than some web designers with 5+ yrs experience have ever made from a single project.
AND the best part is these same students also do an amazing job at helping their clients to make more sales and grow their business.

It is a total win-win for everyone involved.

What I have seen is that when it comes to succeeding or failing with web design, there are a few very different strategies that people follow.

In short—when people follow the right approach, they do very well—with the wrong approach it never works.

“So what are the different approaches and why do some people succeed when others don’t?”

Let's get right into it by first looking at what NOT to do...

The 2 common approaches to web design that WON’T make you profitable
(or create freedom)

Wrong Approach #1 – You focus 100% on coding and technical skills instead of learning how to be a well-rounded business person.

95%+ of web designers fail to reach freedom because they spend all the time developing technical skills. They think if they are experts at Javascript or Wordpress they will be in high demand and profitable.

They quickly find out, though, that it just doesn’t work that way. Business owners don’t think in terms of code and design — they instead keep focused on their most important business challenges or problems.

Can you imagine a business meeting where the owner tells his team, “We badly need to put more money into HTML and CSS this month”? That is never going to happen!

What matters most to a business owner is what clearly keeps their business running and growing. These are going to be areas like increasing sales, attracting new customers, or making sure everything is running efficiently.

It is these key business areas where you need to clearly show how you can help.

This is now twice as important in 2021. If you can’t help with creating sales, customers, or better systems most businesses are not going to want to listen to you at the moment. They want big results - right now.

It is the key most important business areas where you need to clearly show how you can help.

To succeed you have to present what you can offer in a way that matters to them. If it isn’t easy for them to see the value in what you are selling, they will put it at the bottom of the list with 1,000 other things that need to be done someday.

What gets their attention is “here is how you can get more customersnotI could improve your old Javascript”.

The people who do best don’t focus on selling the technical stuff - instead they look for ways to create value and then make it appealing for a business owner to invest in.
Often they actually have very little or average technical skills.

While advanced coding skills can get you a job, by themselves they won’t make you an entrepreneur. Focusing too heavily on your technical skills usually leads to you just becoming another cog in someone else’s business. With a “must keep learning more code” mindset it is easy to become overqualified without any clear way to make money or sell yourself.

Unfortunately, though, a lot of web designers don’t ever see this and keep heading in the totally wrong direction. And when it fails to work, they mistakenly double down on the exact skills that are already hurting them the most... “I don’t get it - I can code amazing - why can’t I find work?”. I have got a bunch of these types of DMs all the time - it doesn’t work.

Also there are so many easy ways to make a website in 2021 with very basic coding skills and anything extra on top of that can be easily outsourced. The truth is you don’t need to be that good technically to run a profitable web design business. The real skills that make you profitable are often not technical.

(A lot of old school web designers or people who paid big money for coding degrees will disagree. BUT these same people complain they can’t get hired and there are no good clients. Business and selling skills always come first.)

Wrong Approach #2 – You focus on building beautifully-designed, custom-coded websites.

A lot of web design gurus out there will teach people that this is where the money is — spending weeks building fancy, custom-coded websites. But this approach doesn’t work well either.

First, you will end up working around the clock to make the perfect design. When you focus on selling design, you attract clients who think about how things look, rather than how well they work. You’ll have clients focused on the design of every pixel, section, and button. Many times, it means a lot of extra hours added to the project and dozens of rounds of changes.

I am sure some people on here have horror stories of these sort of projects! Design focused projects can be a nightmare.

Secondly, though, very few businesses care about design in the first place. When they don’t know what they want, they might say, “design,” but what they are really after is a solution to a deeper problem.

Your clients don’t really need elaborate custom illustrations, 3D graphics, tons of animations, and award-winning art. They don’t care much about a totally unique, fully custom website that’s nothing like a visitor has ever seen before.

What they are looking for is a real change in their business. They are secretly hoping that the fancy new design helps them get more sales, or brings in new customers. Often when you get to the core issue it was never really about design - it was something bigger they were after.

The cool thing is when you identify what really matters you can get a lot better results with much less work. There are way more effective (and easier) ways to help create sales than spending 100 hours on photoshop making custom graphics.

Of course, this doesn’t mean that visual design is useless or bad. It’s just one of the tools we can use to build great results. Just like with technical skills - it is nice to have but don’t let it be what you rely on to build your web business.


Where both of the above examples go wrong is the same - putting specific skills before an overall approach that works.

Business owners don’t go to sleep thinking of code or design. They are thinking about their actual business.

Web design gets (very) profitable when you start to think bigger than just code and design...

The main reason people succeed with web design is by shifting their mindset to what really matters.
Instead of focusing on code or design they start to look at things from the business owners perspective.

These web designers only focus 20% of their time on learning technical skills and design, but the other 80% on mastering how to use and market those skills.
Many are not the “best” coders or designers, but they understand how to make their skills extremely valuable in the marketplace.

They realize that running a web design business has very little to do with technical skills or your design ability.

>>> It is all about creative problem solving and adding value. <<<

To give some examples, here are a few of the skills you can quickly develop to be running a profitable web design business in a short amount of time:

1) Problem Solving
Learn to see the overall situation and come up with creative solutions that make a difference. This is like the story of the expert who charged $20,000 for fixing one small part in a large factory. He wasn’t paid for the work involved - it was for knowing the right solution
2) Creating Value
This forum knows that money always flows towards value. When you learn to see web design as just a tool to be used to help a business solve their big problems and achieve their big goals, you can quickly increase your prices by 2, 5, 10 or more times. Business owners will always pay well for websites that offer real value.​
3) Master Selling
Businesses need cashflow to survive. And every business is interested in either securing their cashflow or growing it. Most likely both. So knowing how to build a website that helps with sales is a super valuable and profitable skillset. (And knowing how to sell helps you get more bigger and better web design deals, too).​
4) Communicating and Messaging
Along with selling, businesses also need a lot of help making sure they have the right message that reaches the right people. You become extremely valuable when you can help create and improve their messaging. This skill requires you to identify customer needs and understand the marketplace.​
5) Mindset and Self-Management
This is an easy area to work on that gives you a massive boost over the competition. Most web designers struggle with managing themselves and their business. Being able to do both means you can make rapid progress and also see gains in other areas of your life too.​
6) Combining Simple Skills
Scott Adams (creator of the Dilbert comic) calls this ‘Talent Stacking’. It is about combining several skills to create massive value. When you have basic proficiency in a bunch of different areas like web design, copywriting, email marketing and so on you start to open a lot of very profitable opportunities for yourself.​

How many of these require a degree in computer science or a certificate from a fancy design school? None.

But these are the sort of skills that put you at the top of the marketplace. They are what make you profitable and in demand. If you look at any success thread on this forum you are going to see the people who succeeded have used a combination (or all) or these skills.

These types of skills are where you need to be focused to succeed. They are what will set you up for long term success as both a web designer but also in the bigger picture as an entrepreneur.

With that in mind let’s look at how you can get started with learning and developing these core business skills...

A realistic plan to succeed at web design in the short, medium, and long term

There are three main stages you will progress through in your web design journey. These stages also show why web design is such a great way to learn the key skills we talked about above and to prepare for your future Fastlane ventures.

***I’ve included student case studies from people on this forum to show you what to expect at each stage. If you are one of the people (or another student) then feel free to add in more details below if you wish.***

The first stage: Getting started

This is where most people are going to be when they first join the program. You will either have just started learning the basics of code or will have some coding skills but struggle with sales.

The first goal here is to change how you view web design and to focus on what matters most to a business owner. When you can see why they would buy, you can start to align what you are selling with what they want. This makes it a lot easier to sell, but it also means that what they hire you for is much more valuable for them, too. It is 100% win-win.

The second goal is to help develop the best mindset possible for business (and life). After hundreds of emails, facebook messages, and interactions with students, I’ve noticed that mindset is one of the biggest things that holds most people back. So we put a fair amount of focus on helping you to overcome mindset issues such as self doubt, procrastination, perfectionism or poor self-management.

In around 3 months, our students will typically land their first $1,000 project. Getting that first win under your belt feels great and creates a ton of momentum! While this isn’t life-changing money, it’s still a great first milestone, and it helps to validate the fact that you’re building a solid foundation of skills. You’re learning how to sell, how to close deals, and how to manage a project. You’re changing the way you see business. You’re beginning to help others and be in demand.

A good example of this is Owen...

Owen joined in May of last year after seeing this thread on here. He had little in the way of coding or web design experience...

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By August he was using the sales and business skills from the program to land website and SEO deals...

Owen's Success Story-2.png

And then by November was able to hit a big personal goal and quit his job. ..

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For a student who shows up and takes action with the program these are the sort of results we would expect them to hit. I will keep Owens progress updated this year but he is doing great so far and well on track.

Another great student example is @Isaac Oh

Isaac started a few months back and has gone from a $500 project to a $2,500 project to just recently enjoying his first month over $10,000. Keep in mind he only just started to learn code when he joined, too. This isn’t about just charging massive prices either - his clients are getting massive value and huge results from his websites.

These posts above are taken from the private FB group and we see results like this every week.
As I was updating this post for 2021 this was a recent one...

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Now keep in mind these are some of our top student results, but it goes to show what is possible within just a few months with minimal technical skills, just by working on the right steps in the right order, addressing your mindset and approach, and having the support to keep you on track.

Medium Term (2-3 years):

This is where you start to focus on stabilizing your income and building a solid base of clients and referrals. While we all love a big payday project, to succeed long-term, you also want to build that reliable base of consistent cash flow.

So this stage is all about building the right relationships, helping businesses in a big way, and being seen as more of a trusted advisor than a freelancer.

The cool thing is that as you build more trust with each new client, you also get to learn a lot about how successful businesses grow and thrive. You’ll be getting an inside look at how their businesses run and developing real, transferable skills. On some projects you can get dozens of hours working directly alongside seasoned business owners.

This experience helps with a lot more than just web design. It can be very hard to get this kind of insight elsewhere but with web design, business owners share openly with you as you work together. You get a lot of exposure to what makes a business successful, what creates sales, and what keeps customers coming back. It’s like a free mini MBA of sorts.

To give a few examples of people at this stage who started with just making websites and now have mastered several very valuable Fastlane skills…

A great example of this is @GuitarManDan . You probably have already seen his own great gold progress thread on here but I will quickly cover his progress....

Dan started his web design business in 2018 using our previous course and had a very decent year or two. However, he wanted to take things to the next level and didn’t want to get complacent. He joined the Fox Sales Legends program around midsummer last year.

Since joining he has made even more progress and along with some big website sales he has done really well with building ongoing recurring revenue too. To give just one example he landed a $25,000 sale alone was from a cold email technique that I shared in the course (but Dan gets all the credit for taking tons of consistent action!).

Now while the big sales are cool the great thing is Dan has built an amazing (and highly valuable) skillset that is a great foundation for moving to more Fastlane business ventures. He now has the cashflow, experience, confidence and mindset that I am sure will lead to a ton of future success.

***2021 Update To Dan's Story***
Since writing the above last year, Dan has experienced even more success. He has created a truly Fastlane business on top of his web design business with massive potential. It is still in the early stages of scaling it up, but I am sure he will crush it, and it is the exact goal we love people to hit with this program/approach.

Long-term (3-5 years)

I hinted at this with Dan's story, but our end goal with this approach to web design is much bigger than just making some websites. This last stage is really what separates our school from other courses.

As much as we love web design (and we do!), we always see it more of a launching pad than an end destination.
Our end goal is always for our students to use their web design experience to go on to even bigger and better things.

Web design is a great way to get profitable and learn a bunch of skills, but it does have some limitations too. Once your income gets to around $100,000, you will be basically working a fulltime job, either doing the projects yourself or outsourcing to others.

This is a great first goal for someone who is struggling right now, but the better goal is that once you are profitable you start also transitioning from web design to launching an even bigger and better business.

If you think about any successful Fastlane business, you are going to need a certain set of skills. You will need to learn how to find unfulfilled needs in the marketplace, how to create a valuable product or service, how to sell that service, how to market and scale your business, and so on.

Once you have those skills, you’ll probably want to move on to something bigger than web design. It is a natural next stage, and one we have built into the way we teach from the very beginning. We have done our job right when you get to a stage where you are ready to use what you have learned (and your cash flow from projects) to reach for that next level.

A good example of this is @MJ DeMarco himself. Now obviously MJ isn’t a student or has taken any of my training but if you look back at MJ’s story (before his big successes) he first started paying his bills and improving his skills through web design work...

“I aggressively marketed my website. I sent out emails. Cold-called. Mailed letters. I learned search engine optimization (SEO). Because I couldn’t afford books, I visited the Phoenix library daily and persisted to read about Internet programming languages. I improved my website, learned about graphics and copywriting. Anything that could help me, I consumed.

Then one day I had a breakthrough; I received a call from a company in Kansas who raved about my website service and wanted me to design their website. Sure. I obliged with a price of $400. They thought the price was a steal and within 24 hours, I built the company their website.

I was ecstatic. In 24 hours, I had most of the rent payment. Then ironically, not 24 hours later, I received another call from a company in New York asking for the same thing… a new website. I designed theirs for $600 and it took me two days to complete. I had another rent payment!

 Now, I know this isn’t a lot of money, but from poverty to $1000 in three days felt like winning the fifty million dollar Powerball.

My first few months in Phoenix, I gained traction and survived on my own for the first time in my life. No flower boy. No bus boy. No pizza delivery. No sponging off mom. I was purely self-employed! I was momentous acceleration, a wind at my back that foreshadowed a directional change into a new universe of wealth generation.’


“I took a contented pause thankful of my recent move and glanced at my bank balance. It was more than $5,000 and it was more money than I ever knew. Now I realize that $5K is not a lot of money, basically it is bankrupt. However at that moment in my life, it meant not having to get a job for at least another year. You see, that $5,000 bought me one year of freedom. Freedom to pursue success. Freedom to do what was necessary. Freedom to pursue my dream. For the next year, I was guaranteed to own every hour of my life.”

Links: (post #17)

This is a great example of starting web design in the best way possible - with a focus on using it to go much further when the time is right. And I fully agree with MJ here and think web design is NOT a great long term option. The best web designers are always people who used web design to go on to do something much bigger! That is how you make it truly Fastlane.

But for someone on here right now without a solid business plan, who doesn’t have a ton of money in the bank to invest, and who might be struggling with core business abilities such as mindset or sales, then web design can be a perfect option to get you to where you want to be long term.

What are the key ingredients to make Web Design work for me?

The mistake I have seen over and over is people who have the best of intentions, but head completely down the wrong road. They focus on developing the wrong skills, working with the wrong type of clients, and having no idea how to increase their sales or results.

What can seem like progress at first, can quickly turn into a dead end. They end up working for free or cheap for months on end, yet things are still not improving. They are no closer to big sales or any real success.

Web design is definitely not an area where hard work is necessarily going to pay off - you have to think strategically.

Where is a good place to start?

Get a good game plan. No matter how low your current skills or experience might seem, with a solid plan to follow you can make way faster progress than the other 90% of people going in circles. With a smart approach, one or two projects done the right way will add up very fast.

Along with that surround yourself with the people who are already getting good results and learn from them. You don’t need to reinvent the wheel. The people who run successful web design businesses use the same effective tactics over and over again. This is where a coach or mentor is going to be key. You might think I am biased (since I also coach) but I invested a lot in coaching when I first started. I still do.

On top of this it's crucial to have a solid support system to keep you motivated and focused. Working as a web designer can be disastrous if you are alone. By being a part of a group of like minded peers though you can keep yourself accountable while making a ton of personal and business progress. You got to have a strong network.

These core ingredients to web design success is why we have structured Fox Web School the way we have. We saw what was needed and transitioned from video courses and “do it alone” content to building a school that provides you all of what you need to succeed.

What Fox Web School Can Offer

Nobody needs another generic course that gets you average results. There are plenty of these, and they churn out people who will never make more than a few $100 for a website.

What you need right now is the right coaching and blueprint (along with a proper community) for creating real success. You want a proven program to develop the right skills for you in the right order - and that keeps you motivated and moving in the right direction.

That is exactly what you get when you join Fox Web School.

We focus on helping you master important business skills that make a real difference.

What I have in mind here are sales skills, persuasion, communication, business strategy, mindset, finding big needs in the marketplace, problem solving, taking huge amounts of action, and self control.

We take people who are struggling to progress, and quickly get them moving towards their goals.

In fact, since this program launched in 2019, we have already done this with 100+ members directly from this forum plus nearly 300 students total. We have worked hard on making a great program and community that over delivers and consistently gets results.

This program is known as the “Fox Sales Legends” program and it was built with a specific end goal of first getting profitable with web design and then using web design to go even bigger.

To keep this post a bit shorter we haven’t packed it full of reviews but if you look around this thread or on TrustPilot you will find many. We are still always working hard to improve things but right now the students who are joining are seeing great results and consistent progress.

Based off what has been proven to work best so far the 2021 structure is:

Based off what has been proven to work best so far the 2021 structure is:

a) Stage one - Get Dialled In
  1. How to quickly develop the mindset of a successful entrepreneur
  2. Why people will buy websites from you (at a high price)
  3. How to quickly learn the business of web design and use it to start any online business
  4. How to control your own internal mindset and actions
b) Stage two - Master the Core Skills
  1. This section of the course will show you how to go from zero to charging $10,000 plus for web design projects. We will cover all you need to know and how to do this with zero previous skills.
  2. You’ll also master selling, prospecting, copywriting, proposals, communication and how to spot and solve large business problems. These are the core skills you need in any business.
  3. You’ll also learn the bigger skills needed to grow and guide a business like goal setting, strategy, planning, thinking big, and creating a vision you and your team can buy into.
c) Stage three - Get Moving Towards Your Goals
  1. In this final section, you’ll be ready to use your combined web experience, skills, and cashflow to start creating your own Fastlane business on top of web design.
  2. We will give you the tools to start finding ideas, know how to add value, how to start a new business around strong market needs, and how to get your first customers rolling in.
  3. The goal of this stage is to help get you ready to create a truly “Fastlane” type business that you can transition into from web design. Web design is great and a fantastic place to start but we will make sure to see you the whole way through to even bigger business success.

(This is an overview of the general stages - if you apply through the quiz we will send you a detailed program breakdown)

Also, you get access to our amazing community...

Weekly live calls

Every week, we have a group video call where you can share your progress, ask questions, get direct feedback, and speed up your learning pace. These group calls are a great place to connect and take advantage of our super engaged and valuable community.

You will get to hear from and talk to dozens of members each week who are taking tons of action and sharing their results. These are students just like you who are aiming for the same goals as you, or who have already hit them. Either way, you get to see what is working for others and quickly apply it to your own situation. I personally run each one, and you can talk to me directly about whatever you wish.

We also have two formats:

>> Starter Calls for people who are at the earlier stages: you can ask anything and everything you wish.
>> Legends Calls for people who are a bit more experienced: covering all sales and business topics.

Any member can hop on either, and we always help you with whatever level you are at.

*Also at this stage there are 100s of success stories and sales coming directly from these calls. It is just one part of the program, but these calls alone are super valuable and enough to get you going.

** Also #2 – since we get asked this a lot – we record all calls, and have a system in place to get your questions answered if you can’t make a call. On top of that, starting in 2021, we are adding subtitles to all call recordings.

Membership to the private Fox Sales Legends Facebook group

You’ll also get full access to our private Facebook group, where you can interact with your fellow students. You all know what a private Facebook group is, but this one is different. For a change, this one is actually very active and high value with detailed posts and daily engagement. You won’t need to wait longer than a few hours at most to get a response to your question.

I have a deal with the students – if you post about it, we will help you get it sorted.

This applies to sales, client issues, and even topics outside of business and web design. You can post up about anything and everything.

It is common to see whole sale pitches and proposals get created and then successfully closed in the Facebook group each week. If you join, and have any issues with web design, your business, motivation, mindset etc. – we are always in the group ready to help.

Extra Resources

If you join, you will get a lot of extra bonuses that go with this program. If you are interested, just apply, and we will outline them all (this thread is already huge!).

To name a few: we got bonus sections on mindset and habits, accountability systems, extra (proven!) templates and ready-to-go resources.

Inside, there is everything you really need to make a massive progress in a very short amount of time.

>>> If you are interested click here and take a quick quiz to see if you would be a good fit to join <<<

What you need to be able to join…

Compared to a lot of other coaching programs on this level we are very reasonably priced. On one side we have set up the content and training to get you going as soon as possible. On the other side though we have built the community to be enjoyed for a long time. We give you lifetime access to both the content and the community and many members stay around for years - even long after they have used web design to build several other businesses.

So for just a one off fee to join you get both huge results in the short term and a group of people who want to see you succeed over the next few months and years.

We run a tight operation though, and do require a few things from you to make sure it makes sense to work together:

:check: - willingness to commit and stick with a proven plan
:check: - a few hours of time each week to learn and apply what we teach you
:check: - some savings or cash flow to cover your cost of living as you learn the business
:check: - you want guidance and coaching to help you take the shortcuts and avoid the long detours

But on the other hand here are some things that you don’t need to join:

:xx: - advanced or even intermediate coding and programming skills
:xx: - prior business experience - we teach you business skills from scratch
:xx: - a ton of free time - we get that you have a life and maybe a job to support yourself before the biz takes off
:xx: - a personal website, business cards etc. - there are better ways to get started without wasting time
:xx: - living in an English-speaking country (we have students from around the world, including Europe, South America and Asia)
:xx: - a perfect mindset - it’s ok if you have some fear and doubts with these types of things. That’s what we’re here for!

We aren’t miracle workers, but if you are willing to apply yourself and have the minimal resource to make this possible this is a realistic option to start learning web design the right way. If you are a good fit we will be doing everything we can to make sure you succeed.

There’s never been a better time to join…

The Fox Sales Legends program of course isn’t the only way to jumpstart your web design business but we do think it is the best way:
  • You could lose $200k and 4+ years of your life getting a degree in computer science or graphic design—only to be stuck working a job for someone else.
  • You could go through a coding boot camp ($10-25k) and get a foundational knowledge of how to build websites—only to still be stuck working for someone else at the end of the program.
  • You could take dozens of cheaper courses and programs that focus on coding and design. You end up skilled in one area but again without any clear consistent way to make money.
  • You could try “google” your own way. We get a lot of students who join after doing this for months and years. They often get badly stuck and have to spend even more time unlearning bad approaches and “work for cheap” mindsets.
What all of these approaches also miss is a real community who actually cares that you succeed and a system in place to make sure you stay on track.
Plus a coach who actually cares if you succeed or not.

The bottom line is that joining Fox Sales Legends is super reasonable for the value you get:

The Price

- You can join for only $2995 as a one-time payment for lifetime access.

- Or you can also join using a payment plan. (We have some great options – just apply first, and we can help you.)

For the program, skills you will learn, and the community that will help you for years, we strongly feel this is a great deal.

Also this price is directly based on what results we expect you to get. Just one decent project will easily cover the full cost of the program, and many manage to do this within the first few months of joining.

>>> If you want to know more - just click here to take a quick quiz that lets us know you’re interested <<<

The current COVID-19 situation and why it is actually a great time to start web design

When things started getting crazy we thought maybe this would be an issue. But we quickly saw that this is one of the best times ever to get started with what we will be teaching you. Every business right now is open to people who can solve problems and improve their sales/systems. Web design (done the right way) is in big demand right now.

Also the beauty of what we will teach you is that you can do it from home with no need for any external equipment or systems. This means as long as you have an internet connection and a laptop or computer you are good to go. You will have an easy to run business that is super versatile and very low risk.

While we have been helping students with other areas of lockdowns (mindset, healthy habits etc) the actual business model itself works perfectly and is in many ways well suited to all the crazy stuff that is going on globally right now.

If all this sounds good to you, here’s how to join

As much as we’d like to accept everyone into the Fox Sales Legends, we are really focused on making sure we only let in people we know we can help in a big way. Apart from sponsoring this forum we rely only on word of mouth and our massive student results to grow the program.

This is pretty much unheard of for a program of this size.

It comes down to making sure we only add in people who we know will see huge results.

At the same time don’t be intimidated. This isn’t about you being highly skilled or having a ton of past experience.

It is about how badly you want to progress and that you will be willing to take action.

If you do reach out, and we don’t think that we can help you – that is 100% fine. We don’t use any pushy sales or fake scarcity tactics. We will gladly point you to other resources which are a better fit for now, and we can keep in touch.

Anyone who reaches out always gets help in the best way possible for them.

This is also why there is no webinar, or monthly sign up, or ever a direct checkout page. We take the time to personally discuss the best options with each individual person who applies, and only then offer a place (and 100% only if it makes sense for them to join).

So if you apply you will get some great feedback, the best advice we can give you, and only the option to join if it would be a great move for you with both your short- and long term-goals in mind.

>>> To apply for the Fox Sales Legends, please click here to fill a quick quiz <<<

The above is a link to a short questionnaire where you’ll put in some basic information.

This is the next step to take if you are interested.

It helps us decide if you are suitable and if so – what to do next.

If you think this thread sounds on point, and would like to know more, just fill out the quiz and we can go from there.

>>> Yes, I want in! Click here to apply for the Fox Sales Legends mentorship program <<<


- Rob

P.S. While this program isn’t for everyone if you feel it might be right for you we would love to help you to get going and quickly progressing to the next level.

We teach a no-BS system towards real success in web design, sales, and business. We strongly believe in the core ideas behind the Fastlane forum and MJs books of what skills really matter and what mindset to be developing to add real value.

We really believe in this program, and will be working hard to make sure you succeed.

If you feel “maybe” then check out the reviews here and elsewhere, and if you feel this might be a good fit for you, let us know and we will take it from there.

>>>>> Full link: Apply for the Fox Sales Legends mentorship program <<<<<

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@Fox I love what you're doing!

Just wanted to add a bit of perspective on this from a copywriter's point of view and share why I endorse it so strongly.

[I'm not a student in the program, but I've had a chance to see Fox Web School up close.]

I see a TON of threads asking the question, "Should I pursue web design or copywriting?" It seems like every month, there's a new thread or two on this.

But what the person is really asking is, "Which one is going to actually make me money?"

In 2017, I was facing a similar dilemma. I was one day away from taking out a loan to enroll in an $8,000 bootcamp to learn data science. But at the last minute, I chose to pursue copywriting instead, because (A) I already knew how to write well and (B) I thought I could make more money and work for myself.

That's the allure with both web design and copywriting. Make money and work for yourself.


But here's the painful truth I learned as a copywriter. And a lot of people fail to see this when they're just starting out and picking a skill to pursue.

It doesn't matter how good you are if you can't get clients.

Let that sink in.

Whether it's web development or copywriting, you're learning a skill. Sure, it's a marketable skill. People will pay for this work.

But if you can't get hired, your skill is useless.

You could be amazing at your actual skill - but if you can't sell your services, you're dead.

So the real question that people should be asking themselves is NOT "should I learn web design or copywriting." That's mostly irrelevant. Almost anyone can learn either one.

The better question to ask is, "At the end of the day, will I know how to SELL THIS AND GET PAID?"

Unfortunately for me, the mentor I chose to teach me copywriting left that out of the curriculum completely. Major disappointment. It was sink or swim for me to figure out how to get clients. I went through a detailed course on the methods of how to do my skill, but the part about how to identify clients, get them interested, and close deals was completely missing.

This is a major thing that is missing from MOST "guru" courses on ANY topic where you can supposedly make money.

And for most people, this is the most important part to learn.

If you know how to effectively sell your services, then you'll be ahead of other people who are better and more skilled and more experienced than you who don't know how to sell their services.

But because this is hard to teach, most courses leave it out. They just leave you to figure it out on your own.

And so most people get stuck before they make any money.

Because if you're told, "Go find a local business and sell them on your offer," most people are gonna say to themselves, "Uh... that sounds hard. And scary. I'm not sure if I'm up for that yet. So let me read a book or watch a video or find an article until I feel more comfortable with this step." But the day never comes when you feel "comfortable." Because it's hard.

Fox Web School is the ONLY program I know of where you develop knowledge of your skill, paired seamlessly with the business development of knowing how to sell your services.

This is due to @Fox's commitment to getting real results for his students. He's not content to watch people flounder and fade away and eventually give up.

@Fox is a rare guy. A lot of people teaching web design just focus on web design. And if their students are struggling with procrastination or struggling to get clients, they shrug their shoulders and say, "Not my problem. That's outside of the scope of this course." Fox is different. His focus is not on "did my students learn web design or not," his focus is on "did my students get results or not."

And the things that most commonly stops people from getting results (i.e. $$$$)?

Yeah, stuff like procrastination. Or the uncomfortable process of selling clients on your services. So Fox worked that stuff into the course to the point where students started to actually overcome their fears and DO that uncomfortable stuff.

That's why I love this program. It's real. It gets results.

You're not going to come out at the end of Fox Sales Legends and say to yourself, "Great, now I know web design. Now let me go buy another course on how to sell my services to people so I can finally make money." You're going to come out at the end and say to yourself, "Wow, if I did that well selling websites, that means I have what it takes to develop any business I want."

You could almost say Fox Web School is a way to develop you as a well-rounded business person, where you just happen to learn web design, rather than a web design course where you just happen to pick up a few business skills along the way.

I had a major disappointment in my copywriting mentor. And ever since, I've had a sensitive spot against the "mentors" in the industry who sell a big pile of false promises and don't deliver. So I pick up on it right away when I see it.

But @Fox is one of the rare people who reminds you that there are still great people in the world who don't stoop to those tactics.

So if you need a way to develop a sustainable livelihood for yourself, stop asking yourself if the right path is copywriting or web design. Because you're likely to run into the exact same challenges making money at either one. Fox Sales Legends will help you overcome those challenges and develop your skill in the process. (And as a web designer, you'll pick up a smattering of copywriting anyway!)

So scroll up already and click that link!

You're not going to regret it.


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I joined Fox's group way back after he posted one of the original threads here on the forum. At the time I made a few thousand dollars from web design contracts. Eventually, I took the sales skills I learned from him and made tens of thousands of dollars copywriting which helped pay for all my expenses while I was in college.

I then met Fox in person about two years ago when he was here in Ireland on a trip home. At the time I was only scraping by and meeting him gave me the belief that someone who was from a similar background could live a really awesome fastlane lifestyle!

Fast forward to 2020 and I had taken the money earned from copywriting and gotten into Real Estate. Using the lessons learned in sales and the confidence from running my own business previously I have done well in real estate.

Well enough that it has allowed me to:

- Drop out of college in my third year to go full-time
- Buy a nice car for cash
- Earn more than my parents combined (lol moment for me)
- Take up to four foreign holidays a year

And many many more cool things...

It culminated in February when I met Fox in London and we traveled out to Phoenix for the week to meet so many of you at the Fastlane Summit.

10/10 would recommend #ChangedMyLife :)

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I guess I'm too scared of sales.

I WANT to have freedom. I WANT to work for myself. I DON'T want to work a 9-5 job.

The one you want more, wins.

Right now, it sounds like your need to avoid "things you aren't good at" is more pressing than your desire for working for yourself.

Ultimately, this is a choice ... a matter of what you value most. And right now, aversion to uncomfortable processes is winning.

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Yeah, like @Fox mentioned, joining this group was a game changer for me. And it probably will be for you.

If you're like me, you might be intimidated by sales.
Or you might be wondering how you can plug yourself into the online market during this economy.
Or you know you will eventually accomplish your big goals, but just don't know how.

Fox Sales Legends is how I'm bridging the gap between myself and my goals.

It's focused on the most essential, step by step actions for selling websites.
And because of that, you'll learn so many invaluable skills that translate to business in general.

You'll learn to:
- network at a high level in any community
- create effective websites that drive sales
- grab attention to products and services then communicate the value
- propose and close high ticket items
- sell in a way that creates value and is welcomed
- make your clients more money

Really you'll be taking a crash course in business, mentality, communication, lifestyle and more.
Just the confidence boost of knowing I can create my own income is so worth it.

As Rob (@Fox) said, I used to sell websites at $300-$500. I'd spend weeks finishing these, getting them perfect.

I'd make around $800 on a good month but I stuck with this for about a year because I always knew I'd make it somehow.

I wish I had invested sooner...

After joining FSL, I had a complete shift in mentality. I understood my value. I was able to demonstrate that to my clients. So, I was able to ramp up the price of my time.

In the first week, I sold a single page for $750, more than doubling the price I used to charge for an entire website. AND I was able to do that to a past client who I had done a page for $150 a few months before. All because I learned how to communicate value.

Within two months, I sold a $4,850 site and a $8,000 site two days apart from each other.
I had learned to pick the right businesses that not only had the budget for these projects, but would also reap the most for their investment. Also, they tend to be much more pleasant to work with.

Going from $800 to $12,850 (a 1,600% improvement in your market worth) is life altering.

Keep in mind, during this, I'm also learning a ton about sales from the school so these website I create are more and more effective for the clients.

I still have more struggles and obstacles I will have to overcome. But that's a good sign because that means there's more available to me.

Take the leap for yourself.
You'll literally be shaving off years of struggles, had you gone at it by yourself.
Click that link on @Fox 's post because I want to see you thrive. Not years later but within weeks.


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Thanks @Fox for the shoutout! Wanted to add my two cents for anyone on the fence about joining or learning more info about this program.

I'm never really one to rave about certain products/services out there, I usually tend to avoid rating businesses on Google My Business, Yelp, etc... but with Fox's programs, I feel an obligation to help out because of how it really changed my business and my life. It sounds super cliche, but after reading MJ's books I knew I couldn't do the awful NYC Investment Banking jobs that I had been stuck in for 5 years after graduating with a degree in finance. I had all of this inspiration and motivation, but nowhere to put that energy until I stumbled onto one of Fox's first courses on this forum.

I still feel that I have a long way to go, but I've been able to make a consistent monthly income to not only pay the bills but also to save and plan for the future thanks to the help of Fox and his programs. The thing that still surprises me to this day is the level of personal attention and help that is offered in any of the programs (especially this most recent Sales Legends program).

It gave me the confidence early on with my business that no matter what situation I got into, I would have a supportive community and experts to help me get through it. Whether it was a coding/technical question or more importantly an overall sales question/issue with a client, that level of personalized help can't be understated... it's been huge for my development and my business.

Being from NY originally, I've always been a fan of being as direct/upfront with people as possible so if anyone on here reading this wants to speak to me or chat about this course, I'd be more than happy to give them my feedback on it.

I've always said that the information in this course gives you all of the info and techniques that you need to be successful, but it won't do the work for you. If you're willing to put in some hard work and learn from other experts, you can really take things to the next level (and not just for your web design business, but also future fastlane ventures down the road where you'll need the same skills taught in here for sales, marketing, etc).


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I've been a student of Fox's programs for a long time and words can't describe how thankful I am to have made a decision to join.

Before graduating from university, I had just finished reading MJ's book and were burning up with a desire to succeed.

The only problem was I didn't know where to direct my focus and energy. Working at a job I hate or continuing a Master's degree would be the last thing on my agenda until I came across Fox's programs.
I decided to join and go all in.

Things were a little tough in the beginning but no matter what problems I run into, I would get help from Fox, his team, and a supportive community of high achievers.

Fast forward over a year later, I not only make consistent income from applying what I learned, but the experience and lessons I gained from the process have been invaluable.

On top of learning how to build a sales-oriented website, one of the most valuable skills you'll learn from this program is how to solve problems and create real value.

This essential skill alone is worth at least 10x the price and will make you a fortune down the road.

It is the skill I use to earn several thousand dollars in monthly revenue with very little maintenance.

It is the skill Fox use to earn over 100k in his first year in web design.

It is the skill many of his students use to make consistent income and free up time to pursue their chosen path.

If you're still debating whether to join this program or not, I highly recommend you do so because it will be one of the best investments you'll make in life.

Just remember, you have to put in the work and be willing to learn.


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Right now, it sounds like your need to avoid "things you aren't good at" is more pressing than your desire for working for yourself.
This. Your life is probably too comfortable right now if cold calls are a problem. Since I made my life much less comfy by having kids and working a factory job, I find that doing cold calls is a breeze. Now I just go directly to the shop/business and offer them a website. There is no things I'm good at, or things I suck at. I just do whatever needs to be done right now.

Doing these uncomfortable things is a path to liberation. You will either learn to embarrass yourself, or you will have to crash your life so it becomes much less comfortable. I don't think you can achieve anything in life without at least one of these things being true. The obstacle truly is the way.
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Oct 7, 2020
It's taken a long time to write this but I wanted to be honest and real. I had to get it off my chest because I knew I owe Rob and the Legend family a review from the heart.

I'm writing this review because this course was one of the biggest pivotal moments of my life up till now.

**This is a Sales coursed that is based on Web Design, But it APPLIES TO EVERYTHING YOU DO IN BUSINESS**

This was one of those things that you kind of hesitate before joining because it seems like a shortcut to "easy money" or a way for you to "cheat process", BUT NO IT IS NOT ANYTHING LIKE THAT. Albeit that the program will give you shortcut to not waste your time on menial things like learning how to code to the nth degree, before you learn sales and put it to use ;). Also on that note, it will show you why you should not action-fake by doing all the other things people are doing before picking up the phone and start making sales(e.g. having a GOOD WEBSITE or Making MOCKUPS).

You will know personally a few days into the program as you interact with other people in the private group and Rob himself that it's going to take work, a lot of them, to get other to trust that you can provide value, thus earning you money in Web Design/Sales/Marketing.

This Program brings you results if you are committed to apply what you learn and make no excuses. I guarantee it.

Some people get it faster than others, but if you don't make excuses for the lessons and keep applying them, you'll succeed. There are countless examples of this in the group.

This program will hand feed you everything you need to get started delivering value and earning money when you have no skills in Web Design; however, the catch here, as I mentioned before, is that you have to COMMIT and practice and all the theories and techniques you learn.

I joined Fox Web School a while back, early in March and literally had nothing going for me. The only skills I had was some mathematic formulas I learn from Uni, which I can apply to well... no where. Given as accessories were some mental road blocks I had gained from being at a place for a year that literally went against everything I believed in(after contracting entrepreneurial thinking disease).

What I learned in the course is invaluable in comparison to what was paid. You are offered calls/check in from Rob himself as well as other peers in the program, which is basically 1)an accountability system 2)MENTORSHIP THAT IS PRICELESS! 3)people who are living that idea that "income= the amount of people you serve, not the amount of hours you work". I think even if I was not to be able to make any money with the course, the fact that I was absorbing the mindset of the members I interacted with (@Isaac Oh and @GuitarManDan if I were to give examples) was enough for me to be satisfy.

If you are worrying about the price, after about 2-3 months of the course, I was making enough to cover the course and I was on the slow side of picking up on things.
If there's anything you should be worrying about it is this: ARE YOU READY TO GO ALL IN and Receive the program, and Apply What You Learn?


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So I've been in @Fox web school for about 6 months or so now and can easily say it's been worth the investment. By using what Fox teaches I've easily made back the cost of the school and then some.

It's not even about money though, the skills Fox teaches are invaluable, and not just applicable to web design but business in general. He really helps breakdown the anatomy of a sale, how to think like a business owner and most importantly how to be able to provide great value to them and get them great results that really help their business.

Outside of the course content theres also weekly live calls where we can get feedback on any problems we have during the week and talk about strategy in general, could be about sales, prospecting, copywriting etc he's always there for feedback. Fox really cares about the success of his students and it shows in all of our results, he's always there to answer any questions we might have and has created a great culture within the Facebook group too.

Separate to that then he's also created mini mastermind groups within the school for people at similar stages of their journey to help eachother out and kick on to the next level and these groups have been a great way of learning more and providing loads of value too.

All I can say is if anyone is on the fence about joining the course it's easily been one of the best decision I've made in a long time and can't recommend it enough!


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I joined Fox's program back in 2017 without knowing anything about web design or sales. Within 2 months of joining, I sold my first web design project for 5k thus providing over 5000% of return on my initial investment. That's when I knew for sure that this stuff works.

For two years after that, I traveled the world practicing what I learned in Fox's course and was able to support myself and more. Not only is the training fantastic, but the Fox Web School community culture is top-notch. Fox has a very strict no-bullshit policy in his groups and somehow he's able to maintain a very high-quality atmosphere that is pleasant to be a part of and continues to add tons of value.

While the focus of the course is on web design, I regularly recommend to non-web designers that they should check out the course solely for the sales portion. Sales is an underrated skill and can really catapult the results any individual gets whether it be in business or a more traditional career.

If you're thinking about investing in yourself, I can guarantee this coaching program will pay itself off quickly and become a driving force in your progress toward reaching your Fastlane dreams. I also don't see these prices lasting long so get it while the gett'ns good!


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Ok so this might be a long post.

I've tried my hand at freelancing lead generation and just couldn't get myself to go out and sell my services. I guess I'm too scared of sales. Too scared to go talk to people about myself. I've always been an introvert and an expert procrastinator.

So now I've sort of "given up" the idea of working for myself now and am working towards getting a web development job for now. I started learning HTML and CSS, and now onto Javascript.

But after reading through this thread I'm starting to second guess that decision. I really WANT to work for myself but the hardest part is the procrastination and fear of selling (especially cold calling).

Last time I cold called someone I got sweaty and hung up the phone immediately when they answered!

I WANT to have freedom. I WANT to work for myself. I DON'T want to work a 9-5 job.

I got laid off from my previous restaurant job due to the pandemic and my family is pressuring me to get new skills to land a better job, but I don't want a job. I like being at home and doing what I want on my own time.

I don't know if this would be right for me. I tend not to put in the work necessary to see something through. At least I'm self aware enough to know that I guess.

What do you guys think?

Maybe a job is the best thing for me at this point so I don't invest time and money into a program only to ditch it later on.

Is Fox's program different? I know you have to put in the work yourself but I feel like I need some accountability unlike other courses.

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Just had a personal highlight of the program so far - @GuitarManDan gave a one hour Zoom talk on his success so far over the last two years.

A very cool moment since Dan is such a cool, genuine guy and shared a ton of advice. As much as “content” is important it’s really cool to just have a bunch of us online helping each other out (our biggest call yet at 24 people!).

On a side note I’ll ask some of the newer people who have joined recently to give some feedback in the next week or two so people on here can have an open view as to how everything is. If anyone who has joined recently is reading this feel free to jump in now if you wish.

Any questions also - always happy to answer them on here or via PM.

Thanks everyone - tonight was a cool moment after building this for a long time and wanted to share a little as to what is going on inside the program.


Jul 8, 2019
I've made $1,000 within three weeks of being in the group. @Fox

I read MJ's first book about a year ago and for that period of a year I had been surfing this forum without taking much action. I know I'm not the only one who was guilty of this. There's a feeling of not knowing where to start and for me personally I am guilty of jumping from one idea to the next without committing to any. This leads to no where.

Since joining the Fox's program I've taken more action in three weeks than I did in the previous year. Why? There are a variety of different features that facilitate massive action.

1. Facebook Group - this for me is the biggest advantage of the program. You can post any query you may have about web design, sales, SEO, tricky clients etc. This is massive because it gives you a vital safety net. I know when you're starting out you can be a bit apprehensive because you're not entirely sure what you're doing. This is especially true when you're reaching out to people, selling them a service, and you have that little voice in the back of your mind telling you to stop "you're going to ruin your reputation", "you don't know what you're doing". The FB group quashes these thoughts because you know that you have support if you need it. Because of this I dove straight into selling and had the peace of mind of knowing that if I didn't know anything, I have a safety net to fall back on.

2. Weekly calls - a group call is hosted every week. Again, this presents the opportunity to ask questions and get feedback from numerous different members. Once again, this offers a pivotal safety net. The call is recorded each week so no worries if you can't make it.

3. Course Content - the course content is amazing, especially when it comes to selling. The content covers the whole sales cycle from prospecting to closing. You are well-equipped to start selling immediately. All necessary tools and techniques are provided.

Apart from everything mentioned, Rob and his business partner, Alex, are extremely hands-on and are constantly available. They are also continuously improving the program based on feedback from members. If you're apprehensive about the technical skills, Rob has content showing you step by step how to make a great website.

If you are worried about the cost, you'll make it back quickly with action. I've covered my initial investment within three weeks.

Fox Sales Legends has provided me with a clear roadmap and a clear path to achieving my fastlane dreams. While I know that obviously I'm in the infancy of my entrepreneurial journey and I've achieved nothing yet, I've never felt more confident and assured that I'll make those dreams come true. I'm confident that I'll learn vital business skills in this program, as well as making money, to facilitate me further as I continue my entrepreneurial journey.
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The last few weeks have been really cool.
We started doing guest calls so it wasn't just me talking every week ha!

@GuitarManDan did the first guest call on his journey so far and it was great. A lot of really cool insights and he mostly focused on his progress with SEO and the reoccurring monthly deals there.

Then @Bekit did an amazing call 2 weeks again on the copywriting principles she covered at the summit. This was really fun and the feedback was amazing. A massive thanks to her for jumping in and answering a ton of questions also!


And yesterday evening @AllenCrawley gave a super valuable talk on getting started on ecommerce. Props to Allen for just jumping in and freestyling it (we didn't really give him much of a plan).

This was really cool since Allen covered his jump from doing web design himself (way back) to helping out another ecommerce biz to getting to the level he is at today. I think it was great for students to see that web design is just a starting point and that it is possible to go a lot higher once you get going.

Another thanks to all these people for jumping on these calls! It is really cool to be able to provide this within the school and if anyone is interested in doing a talk just hit me up via PM.

Thanks everyone.


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Really quick testimonial. I've been running a web design business since I graduated from college 5 years ago. I never took it serious so the most I'd ever made for a website was $500, which was really just setting up a Shopify store for someone. I found the Fox Web School YouTube channel and it transformed the way I approached Web Design. And the channel also actually also lead me to this forum .

I'm not apart of Fox's coaching program, however with what I've learned from the videos on the YouTube channel I landed my first large project for $6,400! After landing the project I immediately applied for the coaching program. If the knowledge on the YouTube channel works I'm sure the coaching program will be next level.
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Thanks Fox for a lot of valuable content - I watched your videos on sales and the 1-year journey. They were eye opening to the point where I'm considering contributing to businesses by web design.

How saturated is the web design industry now? Is the value-oriented mindset ( and other cornerstones of the Fox philosophy) a big enough differentiator?

For someone who has worked with data - think analytics and machine learning - what advantages may be brought to the web design industry? Maybe analyse/project business outcomes of a new website and help with sales?

- I never focus on the competition. If you take out people who only try to find work on freelancer sites, people with terrible prospecting approaches, and people who sell with a "design" focus (rather than business value) - you are left with a very small % of web designers.

Basically there are a lot of people trying but the vast majority have a terrible approach.

For those with a good strategy, there are tons of opportunities. Every business wants to grow and improve in some way and if you align yourself with how a business owner thinks you can see rapid progress.

Good with data... ya perfect. It is all about problem solving so being able to spot patterns and replicate results is the name of the game. My design skills are average but I do well because I can create problem solve. As for your specific data skills, I am sure there are lots of ways you can add value - SEO, Ads, Analytics, sales systems and feedback etc.

If you reach out we can have a call and go over it in more detail. Hope that helps for now.

Thanks @GoodluckChuck, @Gar1od1, @Water, @LightHouse, @JordanK, @Andy Black
The feedback and support mean a lot. Thank you all.


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Is Fox's program different? I know you have to put in the work yourself but I feel like I need some accountability unlike other courses.
I’ve been in this program for about 2 months now, and I have no idea where you’d find all of this in one place. Fox ain’t gonna do it for you, but he’ll sure as hell help you. I think if you got onto his focus of helping people instead of trying to convince them, sales won’t be as scary. I have no doubt that my involvement in Fox’s group will lead to me ditching my current job, even going about it at a snail’s pace like I’ve been doing.
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Thanks for the program reviews/feedback @Isaac Oh and @GuitarManDan

And thanks for the nice words @MTF @Kak and @Bekit!

In your opinion, whats the best source of leads during Covid if you cant do d2d sales anymore?

Door-to-door is usually not a big part of selling web design.

The first few years I did this 99% of my clients were remote - I never met them once when selling/completing the project. I usually only meet clients if I want some content for Youtube. There is just no real need to do it unless you want to or you have some ideal clients who are based really close by.

The best way to get leads right now is direct prospecting - either cold emailing or cold calling. What is going to give you a massive boost in success rate is having a relevant pitch and a clear way to be valuable at the moment. Every business is focused on top priority tasks at the moment - keeping their current clients, getting new clients, keeping their systems operating effectively. Your pitch has to be related to these areas with an easy-to-understand-logic as to how it can help.

Pitching "a nice looking website" on the other hand is not going to work well atm. No one cares.

The good news is at the moment is that if you can show how you can be valuable a lot of business owners are very open to hearing more. They want help and if you can present yourself as a good option to turn things around they are going to give you the chance to explain more. You can quickly go from cold prospecting to full sales conversation very fast because people want immediate assistance.

I did this recently (using a students one portfolio piece) to get a sales conversation within an hour...


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Good luck @Fox. I know you’ve put your heart and soul into this.

I think now is an amazing time to help all those businesses desperate to get online.
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Ok so this might be a long post.

I've tried my hand at freelancing lead generation and just couldn't get myself to go out and sell my services. I guess I'm too scared of sales. Too scared to go talk to people about myself. I've always been an introvert and an expert procrastinator.

So now I've sort of "given up" the idea of working for myself now and am working towards getting a web development job for now. I started learning HTML and CSS, and now onto Javascript.

But after reading through this thread I'm starting to second guess that decision. I really WANT to work for myself but the hardest part is the procrastination and fear of selling (especially cold calling).

Last time I cold called someone I got sweaty and hung up the phone immediately when they answered!

I WANT to have freedom. I WANT to work for myself. I DON'T want to work a 9-5 job.

I got laid off from my previous restaurant job due to the pandemic and my family is pressuring me to get new skills to land a better job, but I don't want a job. I like being at home and doing what I want on my own time.

I don't know if this would be right for me. I tend not to put in the work necessary to see something through. At least I'm self aware enough to know that I guess.

What do you guys think?

Maybe a job is the best thing for me at this point so I don't invest time and money into a program only to ditch it later on.

Is Fox's program different? I know you have to put in the work yourself but I feel like I need some accountability unlike other courses.


We built in a lot of accountability into the program.

You got weekly live calls, smaller accountability groups, email support, the private FB group etc. We are in there every day to get back to any issue.

If you want to make this happen we will be there to help (a lot).
But I can't make that choice for you.

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Just had a personal highlight of the program so far - @GuitarManDan gave a one hour Zoom talk on his success so far over the last two years.

A very cool moment since Dan is such a cool, genuine guy and shared a ton of advice. As much as “content” is important it’s really cool to just have a bunch of us online helping each other out (our biggest call yet at 24 people!).

On a side note I’ll ask some of the newer people who have joined recently to give some feedback in the next week or two so people on here can have an open view as to how everything is. If anyone who has joined recently is reading this feel free to jump in now if you wish.

Any questions also - always happy to answer them on here or via PM.

Thanks everyone - tonight was a cool moment after building this for a long time and wanted to share a little as to what is going on inside the program.

In 2016 when I was doing dropshipping (fairly successful at the time) and a very close friend of mine asked me what skill he should learn that will make him money for years to come, I reffered him to you.

Your first ever thread about web design had been posted at the time and I read it thoroughly. Comparing it to my ecommerce business at the time it looked like you were earning peanuts, but it looked like a safe bet for my friend and even though I was just 18, I was self-aware enough to know that having web design & sales as a skill arsenal is more valuable than testing products with Facebook ads until one ends up profiting. Also, estimating profits and the amount of stress involved in running an ecommerce business versus a web design one.. unless they're both automated it's night & day.

Plus my mentality is not chasing numbers anymore, I'm chasing freedom. If earning 100k gives me freedom and happiness while 10M doesn't allow me to breathe, then it's a no brainer.

Years later after I've recovered from severe health issues, all my ecommerce money is gone and I am more than broke. I've got an awesome girlfriend and big dreams, my friend is earning 1.5-2k a month on average which is not fastlane but way better than my situation. He's getting all his clients from referrals while I'm making cold calls and going door to door basically.. and yes, I am also selling results with web design & SEO.

Thanks for being a cool dude and giving me direction in life. I've done some.. questionable life decisions which almost cost me my stay on Earth, but I have a second chance now and I'll be starting an EXECUTION thread soon. I haven't bought your course, and I currently barely have enough to eat, but I was in your now closed facebook group for a while and even introduced myself years ago. I've learned a lot from you.

I've been following you pretty much from Day 1 and some of your students as well and I believe I have the same mentality about money as you do. I am going to eventually surpass the student in me and become the teacher. And you can be sure I'll let you know.


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We built in a lot of accountability into the program.

You got weekly live calls, smaller accountability groups, email support, the private FB group etc. We are in there every day to get back to any issue.

If you want to make this happen we will be there to help (a lot).
But I can't make that choice for you.
I can back this one up! I've been in the group from the beginning of the year. At first I was busy with life, with my dayjob and with making excuses. I didn't make much progress. I was mostly spending my time on learning new stuff that I didn't need yet and working for my first free portfolio project. But the smaller accountability groups really pushed me to start selling.

Now I've sent out cold e-mails, I've been prospecting on PeoplePerHour and I got my first paying client through Facebook groups. It's a small client, but still it's amazing progress for me personally. I've always been afraid to do sales. Especially in this case, I'm quite new at web design. I don't have anything to show yet. But thanks to this course and the group I did it, and it's only the beginning! I'm working hard on the project and after that I'll have something to show and can start getting even bigger projects.

The coursework and videos prepared me well for the sales calls I've made. Really, the content is amazing and I was amazed to see how much it helped me during my first sales calls. This course is 100% worth your money and time! Just the content alone (and I've only gone through about half of it) it worth it.

On top of that we have the private fb group, weekly calls and a smaller accountability group. There's a lot of people helping each other out. The accountability group is the best imo, We get together once a week. During our call we try to keep each other on track and help each other with questions/problems. And besides that I find it really motivating to see all the others in the program that all started from a similar position pulling in big deals.

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Big thanks to @Fox and to @mjb234 (a student of this course) for helping me with my business’s website. It turn out incredible!

If you are someone who is reading this and still on edge about doing this course. Just do it! Businesses are looking for you. Real problem and need solvers. This is still a valuable service business who help local businesses like mine grow.

You will be successful with the help of this great mentor @Fox.

This a link of customer focused site that @mjb234 created.


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One of Fox's early students stopping by.

My story is that I'm a coder who was in a job 5 years ago.

Today, directly because of taking Fox's coaching and hanging out in his groups, I am a self-employed consulting developer who hops onto projects to fix up their code for a few months at a time.

I went from making 50k/yr salary to 100/hr with as many hours as I need.

I also took advantage of the flexible schedule to spend more time climbing rocks.

Fox's content is legit if you want to learn how to properly value yourself and position with people.

I barely did any actual websites, but getting coaching from Rob was some of the highest impact money I've spent. I count it right up there with purchasing The Millionaire Fastlane.

Now I'm joining the forum to start a more Fastlane style pursuit than consulting - something I could have never done while employed.

In conclusion - Thanks for the help getting me on the right track, and see everyone else around the forum!


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Hi @Fox,

Most of the comments are from English-speaking people. Do you have examples and testimonials from people who have succeeded thanks to your training in the francophone sphere?

I'm afraid that the success encountered will not be the same in the francophone sphere because it's a different market. It would be a big disillusion for me if I realize this during the training.

Thank you for your answer.

I understand where you're coming from but it still reminds me of this corny joke:

Client: Do you have experience marketing new food products?
Sales rep: We have quite a lot of experience there.
Client: Does that include experience in selling frozen food?
Sales rep: Yes, it does.
Client: How about frozen vegetables?
Sales rep: We’ve brought several types to market over the years.
Client: Spinach?
Sales rep: Actually, yes, spinach too.
Client [leaning forward now, voice straining in anticipation]: Whole leaf… or chopped?

The francophone market might be a little different but you should focus on what's the same. And there's waaaay more that's the same than what's different.


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Hey guys,

I wanted to give a quick story about the success the group has provided for me personally. I hope this short story will inspire many who are on the fence to take action as there truly is value to be received from joining Rob's Web School.

NOTE: In No Way Am I Being Influenced or Paid To Make This Post. I Am Doing This On My Own Terms.

So I began this journey about 2 months ago (September 16th). Like many of you, I was sick of my lack of direction and when I found this thread I was inspired to take action. Of course, I knew the price was a bit steep at first without knowing first hand the knowledge and value I could gain.

I went through the school modules concurrently while outreaching to my network about my new services and how I could help them. This is one of the main messages Fox's Web School endorses: Taking Action WHILE Learning What's Needed. Now I didn't see success right away as that would be a rare thing to happen for anyone, but through continuous action and relentless a$$-busting work, something amazing happened and I didn't even see it coming.

After posting about my services on LinkedIn and my re-brand, an old high-school acquaintance reached out to me asking about my services and if I am able to help him. IF it wasn't for the Web School, the documentation provided, the amazing always active community, accountability groups, helpful as hell mentors, and the constant reminder from the community that value is what drives success; I wouldn't have landed my first non-family paying client for $6,000 contract!

Onto my main point:
This post is not meant to be an ego-stroke at all but as a message of validation that if you are thinking of joining and you put in work, I mean real and honest work, you will see success.


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