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Free registration at the forum removes this block.Yes. Life is a miracle. Existence is a miracle.I am reading Autobiography of a Yogi.
I'd love to get some feedback about the book.
The author talks about miracles all throughout the book.
It sounds like a scam to me. I get offended, irritated, while listening to it.
I have posted something in another thread talking about the Self Realization Center that this guy founded in LA.
I have been there and the guided meditation (free) I have participated in once has been one of the most powerful experiences I have ever had.
At the same time, I cannot believe these miracles he talks about in the book.
I would love to believe in them because life would be much better.
What do you think about it?
We are talking about things that science cannot explain.
PS
My wish is that once I accept the book, I will be able to perform miracles as well.
People dying and then reappearing under another person. And the guy meets that new person because he felt him with his energy. He knew that person that die was alive again under another form.
People that make appear smells of flowers from nowhere.
Being in two different spots at the same time.
Probably also levitation if I well remember.
I mean, the book is just a list of things that science cannot explain.
It’s about the power of the mind when it’s connect with God.
One of the most famous advocates of the book was Steve Jobs, the co-founder, and formerly Chairman and CEO of Apple Inc. Jobs "first read Autobiography of a Yogi as a teenager, then re-read [the book] . . . once a year ever since."[24] Marc Benioff, CEO of Salesforce.com, told his story of attending Steve Jobs' memorial service, where the attendees were handed a small brown box on their way out. "This is going to be good," he thought. "I knew that this was a decision he made, and whatever it was, it was the last thing he wanted us all to think about." The box contained a copy of the book.
- The chapter on Sri Yukteswar’s resurrection contains some things which are completely batshit crazy. Firstly, the way that he is described does not make it entirely clear whether this is a delusion or hallucination (pg 475). Sri Yukteswar apparently now lives on a different planet called Haranyaloka (pg 476). He even seems to suggest that mermaids and fairies are real things (pg 479). It seems that, for Yogananda, there is no clear distinction between real things and fake things. No distinction between hallucination and perception; delusion and observation.
Being "spiritual" as a step towards material success definitely seems like an ineffective route.Large swaths of the community you describe are definitely scam artists. The clever thing they do as with all hustlers is they hook you so you're always in their circle even if you don't fully trust them - trying to figure out if they're legit and your FOMO will ensure you always come back in case you might learn the miracle power to attain everything you always wanted.
In my view too many people focus on this before they get rich. Get yourself rich first and then you can spend your time chasing Yogis to see if their Kriya Yoga will allow you to find inner peace and enlightenment.
A lot of people do this with exported Buddhism too - if only I can unlock my level 50 Bankei level Zen then I'll be the next Elon Musk. It's what happens when you prefer to find a silver bullet rather than learning to grind.
If you don't care about materialism, invention, fame then that's one thing but don't get caught straddling between 'get rich' and 'abandon materialism and ego', at least without a decent spiritual guide.
Exactly. If you just talk with enough ayahuasca-doing new age hippies you quickly get tired of all of this psuedo-spiritual bullshit. People just like it because they are lazy and this kind of spirituality promises "This one dumb trick unlocks total enlightenment and fulfillment of all of your desires!"Consider when and where it was written and what times it talks about. India in the 1920s, 1930s and 1940s probably wasn't a particularly skeptical place compared to modern times. So if the wisest guy in the village said that someone who died is now this another person, the less intelligent villages with zero education would probably believe him. This isn't any different from this guy:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppWMxCdb_cI
Who believes in this guy? Desperate, sick and poor people with no access to education.
"Fun" fact about the book:
I'm not saying the book has no value. It may have great spiritual teachings. But it doesn't change the fact that most of it is complete BS.
As I mentioned before, I didn't bother reading the entire book but I don't think I missed much except maybe entertainment value (found this on Quora):
100%, thank you.Miracles exist. Supernatural phenomenons also exist. Miracles happen because of faith. Faith is the Good Side. Magic is the Naughty Side.
Miracles are things that happen outside of nature because God intervened for men on their behalf. A fourteen year old French peasant girl should NEVER have been able to save an entire country by calling everyone to war, yet that’s exactly what happened. Joan of Arc is a miracle.
Magic is when ppl want to interrupt Nature and make stuff happen for their own reasons. Monsanto creating seeds that don’t reproduce and making billions while farmers kill themselves is bad magic.
Nature has specific rules like gravity, cause and effect, plate tectonics, muscle growth, etc.
You cannot manipulate reality to force things to happen in an untimely way, outside of Nature’s rules, unless you practice some powerful Magic.
Magic is the art of manipulating nature to do stuff that it’s not supposed to do. Faith is believing that if you work within the laws of Nature God might rearrange things a bit to help you more.
It’s perfectly ok to wish that you could use magic to change your world. We all want an easier way.. life is hard. Suffering sucks. Using magic ruins your soul though because your pride twists you into a mess.
It’s better to obey the rules of the Universe instead of trying to manipulate them. By just admitting that there are rules and respecting them you will respect yourself more and help others more and be filled with love.
The book sounds like it’s mingling one truth (you have a soul and you are powerfully connected to the Universe) with a lie (you can manipulate the Universe whenever you want if you do certain things).
This is an interesting discussion, which the intellectual of today often doesn't consider. People treat the laws of physics as if they had causal effectiveness in the Universe, whereas they are just descriptions of regularities. Furthermore, they treat the laws of physics as if they are true when they are merely models used to predict a small portion of reality, and that's it.The laws of physics get broken often enough. Often by physicists looking to gain a deeper understanding of the laws of the universe. It's really cool stuff.
I think such a world is impossible. People only think such is possible because they don't understand the irresolvable problems that science has in getting to the truth. Truth does not mean prediction.I am saddened to imagine a world where everything can be explained by man's understanding of science. What a dull and finite place that would be.
Heh, the state authorities don't stop him because they're taking a cut, obviously!Watch this video about a miracle performer and tell me you still believe in miracles
View: https://youtu.be/KaPLylJk89w?t=2096
And paradoxically, Elon Musk doesn't give a shit about spirituality.A lot of people do this with exported Buddhism too - if only I can unlock my level 50 Bankei level Zen then I'll be the next Elon Musk. It's what happens when you prefer to find a silver bullet rather than learning to grind.
I sort of walk the line on miracles. I believe that the average person's common understanding of miracles starts and ends with it being something that is outside the laws of physics and looks like magic. However, I don't believe that something that breaks the laws of the universe can exist in the said universe for many reasons.
It is interesting because Joe Vitale writes about exactly the same thing in his book, and since I started helping here and there I have also seen a BIG boost to my business. I simply just wanted to help anonymously because the idea of kids with eye cancer and no funds for treatment bothers me too much.If you encountered problems in your life and business it is a wake up call for giving more donations.
I sort of walk the line on miracles. I believe that the average person's common understanding of miracles starts and ends with it being something that is outside the laws of physics and looks like magic. However, I don't believe that something that breaks the laws of the universe can exist in the said universe for many reasons.I am reading Autobiography of a Yogi.
I'd love to get some feedback about the book.
The author talks about miracles all throughout the book.
It sounds like a scam to me. I get offended, irritated, while listening to it.
I have posted something in another thread talking about the Self Realization Center that this guy founded in LA.
I have been there and the guided meditation (free) I have participated in once has been one of the most powerful experiences I have ever had.
At the same time, I cannot believe these miracles he talks about in the book.
I would love to believe in them because life would be much better.
What do you think about it?
We are talking about things that science cannot explain.
PS
My wish is that once I accept the book, I will be able to perform miracles as well.
Hi,I am reading Autobiography of a Yogi.
I'd love to get some feedback about the book.
The author talks about miracles all throughout the book.
It sounds like a scam to me. I get offended, irritated, while listening to it.
I have posted something in another thread talking about the Self Realization Center that this guy founded in LA.
I have been there and the guided meditation (free) I have participated in once has been one of the most powerful experiences I have ever had.
At the same time, I cannot believe these miracles he talks about in the book.
I would love to believe in them because life would be much better.
What do you think about it?
We are talking about things that science cannot explain.
PS
My wish is that once I accept the book, I will be able to perform miracles as well.
Yes, I completely agree, man has defined the laws of physics using math as a way to describe the laws of the universe. I am of the opinion that there is a whole lot that we simply do not know out there waiting to be discovered.I agree with this as long we aren't saying the laws of physics and the laws of the universe are the same thing.
This is in keeping with this quote from St. Augustine, "Miracles are not contrary to nature, but only contrary to what we know about nature."
The laws of physics get broken often enough. Often by physicists looking to gain a deeper understanding of the laws of the universe. It's really cool stuff.
Does dark matter exist or are we just fooling ourselves? Is quantum teleportation travelling information faster than the speed of light? Does time actually become distance inside a black hole? Giant particles really exist in the two places at once?
Why do the two biggest theories in physics, both of which have made verifiable predictions many times over, not seem to agree on the basic question of whether the universe is deterministic or probabilistic?
To suggest it is both is illogical. And yet, here we are. To the best of anyone's ability, both appear true at the same time.
It's a superposition of theories. (Superposition is a much nicer, more "sciencey" way of saying illogical).
Is something that breaks the laws of logic, but is also true, considered a miracle? Asking for a friend...
There's a reason why new agey types feel bolstered by quantum discoveries. Dig into it and science had gotten way way more weird than some guy saying his friend visited him in a dream and lives on another planet. People have been having similarly familiar "dreams" for millennia.
And you know, what if the mystical is inherently a personal communication such that it cannot be experienced the same way by two people? Shoot, light is a particle and a wave, or not, depending on how we're watching, so it's not like there isn't precedent. What if it also is just governed by rules that we don't fully understand yet?
Not only do we humans have a limited capacity to measure, to understand, but we are trapped by our own biases and beliefs on top of that.
Science is weird and can't reveal everything, yet. Religion is weird and can't reveal everything, yet.
Truth is elusive.
Yet so many act like they have the monopoly. It's a conundrum. Socrates was right.
You are; therefore you think; both of these statements are miraculous.
As a Christian, I think the existence of miracles is self evident. We have this thing called life. Consciousness. No one can explain how it happens to everyone's satisfaction, but it is so ubiquitous the science types just take for granted that it must not be a miracle.
I am saddened to imagine a world where everything can be explained by man's understanding of science. What a dull and finite place that would be.
Just the fact that the laws of physics or the universe exist seems pretty miraculous to me.
I'll close with a couple more Augustinisms:
"What then is time? If no one asks me, I know what it is. If I wish to explain it to him who asks, I do not know."
"Faith is to believe what you do not yet see; the reward for this faith is to see what you believe."
"Pray as though everything depended on God. Work as though everything depended on you."
100%, thank you.
This is an interesting discussion, which the intellectual of today often doesn't consider. People treat the laws of physics as if they had causal effectiveness in the Universe, whereas they are just descriptions of regularities. Furthermore, they treat the laws of physics as if they are true when they are merely models used to predict a small portion of reality, and that's it.
There's NOTHING true about relativity. ZERO. The theory is all bullshit as far as I'm concerned, as much bullshit as Newton's theories of gravity when it comes to telling us what the truth is. In fact, as much bullshit as worshipping the god of the volcano. They're only useful to make predictions. If you build your worldview upon scientific theories, then good luck shaking everything up when they will inevitably change.
Does spacetime bend around massive objects? Bullshit. It's just what we use to describe the motion of planets, and the other effects that we observe. There's nothing true about it. "Spacetime" and so on are merely concepts we have invented, to help us predict what happens. No different than "the god of the volcano" apart from having better predictive power.
Why is this the case?
Think of a scientific theory as an equation that must match a limited, finite set of data.
For any given finite data set, there are AN INFINITE number of equations that PERFECTLY describe the data set.
Below is an example.
Consider this equation Newton's theory of gravity. Massive objects exert a force around them to pull other objects in. You see we have 4 data points there (or any finite number of them - there's actually an infinite number of data points between those 4). The law perfectly describes them.
And so you go on thinking about what this force means in the history of the cosmos, and how it caused the Universe to begin, and bla bla. That is what's called extrapolation.
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And guess what, extrapolation is no better than believing in the volcano god. It's BULLSHIT.
Because the truth is that this isn't the only theory that explains the predictive zone. This one works just as well:
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It looks the same ofc. Short term, you will see no difference. But extrapolate far enough, and the predictions are totally different...
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Why do you prefer the former over the latter (or over the other infinity of potential equations that would describe the data set just as well?)? There's no rational reason to prefer it. You prefer it because it's simpler, but of course, the Universe has no reason to "be simple" in the first place.
So you go on collecting more data (the orange data points), and it doesn't fit the f*cking theory anymore! Uhhhh, what a disaster, you based your entire life around it...
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So Einstein comes along, and he discovers a new theory. The theory of relativity. Now there is no force of gravity at all! It's just the geometry of spacetime that produces the motion (another theory, we all know how those end up...).
Here it is:
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But once again, this isn't the only theory that can describe the data set. There's an infinity of other equations as well.
So now scientists take Einstein's theory of gravity and they tell us that the Universe began in a Big Bang . There's the extrapolation again... LOL! Science is nothing more than another mythology.
So remember, out of an infinity of possible theories, they just chose this one, and they think they can extrapolate it as far as the beginning of the Universe. How is that any different from guys dancing around a volcano thinking that they can prevent an eruption in that manner?
The point being science is good for predictions, NOT for telling us the truth.
I think such a world is impossible. People only think such is possible because they don't understand the irresolvable problems that science has in getting to the truth. Truth does not mean prediction.
Heh, the state authorities don't stop him because they're taking a cut, obviously!
And paradoxically, Elon Musk doesn't give a shit about spirituality.
It is widely accepted (in my place and culture) as a wisdom that being a giver and get involved in charity brings back good business luck and can boost your wealth.I am reading Autobiography of a Yogi.
I'd love to get some feedback about the book.
The author talks about miracles all throughout the book.
It sounds like a scam to me. I get offended, irritated, while listening to it.
I have posted something in another thread talking about the Self Realization Center that this guy founded in LA.
I have been there and the guided meditation (free) I have participated in once has been one of the most powerful experiences I have ever had.
At the same time, I cannot believe these miracles he talks about in the book.
I would love to believe in them because life would be much better.
What do you think about it?
We are talking about things that science cannot explain.
PS
My wish is that once I accept the book, I will be able to perform miracles as well.
Good luck with that brother.I am reading Autobiography of a Yogi.
I'd love to get some feedback about the book.
The author talks about miracles all throughout the book.
It sounds like a scam to me. I get offended, irritated, while listening to it.
I have posted something in another thread talking about the Self Realization Center that this guy founded in LA.
I have been there and the guided meditation (free) I have participated in once has been one of the most powerful experiences I have ever had.
At the same time, I cannot believe these miracles he talks about in the book.
I would love to believe in them because life would be much better.
What do you think about it?
We are talking about things that science cannot explain.
PS
My wish is that once I accept the book, I will be able to perform miracles as well.
That is a great story. Just read it. Thanks for sharing it.Miracles? Read @SteveO s post about his journey.
We all have the ability to work miracles man. That's what this whole forum is about.
This is a mistake in my point of view.Consider when and where it was written and what times it talks about. India in the 1920s, 1930s and 1940s probably wasn't a particularly skeptical place compared to modern times. So if the wisest guy in the village said that someone who died is now this another person, the less intelligent villages with zero education would probably believe him. This isn't any different from this guy:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppWMxCdb_cI
Who believes in this guy? Desperate, sick and poor people with no access to education.
"Fun" fact about the book:
I'm not saying the book has no value. It may have great spiritual teachings. But it doesn't change the fact that most of it is complete BS.
As I mentioned before, I didn't bother reading the entire book but I don't think I missed much except maybe entertainment value (found this on Quora):
I don't think religion is a scam necessarily. There are wolves in sheep's clothing for sure, where they act goody good to get people's trust and have ulterior motives. But in its fundamental at the very least religion and spirituality in general is great for improving people's behavior. If people don't have something they believe in as a moral guide then there would be more criminals in the world.Hi,
Yeah it's a scam.
Religion is basically a scam which sells you to dream and all you have to have is "blind faith".
There is no such thing as a "miracle". just an, as yet, unexplained phenomenon.
Stop looking in the mystical for answers.
But if you want to delude yourself then you are free to however I think reality is far amazing.
The answers you see are in you.
Enjoy the world as it it.
Be kind to your fellow human beings.
Enjoy your time on this earth.
Try to make a difference before you disappear back into the dirt & memories of the people around you.
Momento mori.
Eddie
How do you define miracles? The thing is that no one has the big picture of life but every individual is a unique perspective of the Universe. Science has started to explain that everything is energy and everything is connected, so according to how you manage your energy (thoughts, emotions, actions) things around you move as well and so you increase your chances for "miracles" to happen. This applies to health, finances, and relationships. No one has the absolute truth, but people (like the author of your book) can provide chunks of useful information so you come to your own conclusions.I am reading Autobiography of a Yogi.
I'd love to get some feedback about the book.
The author talks about miracles all throughout the book.
It sounds like a scam to me. I get offended, irritated, while listening to it.
I have posted something in another thread talking about the Self Realization Center that this guy founded in LA.
I have been there and the guided meditation (free) I have participated in once has been one of the most powerful experiences I have ever had.
At the same time, I cannot believe these miracles he talks about in the book.
I would love to believe in them because life would be much better.
What do you think about it?
We are talking about things that science cannot explain.
PS
My wish is that once I accept the book, I will be able to perform miracles as well.
By training, I am an engineer. Now, there is a difference between a scientist and an engineer. And that difference is that one is pragmatic, and can care less about the underlying "truth" whatever that may be, so long as it works. This means that scientific theories are for an engineer useful models and tools. Their value comes from their usefulness, not from their truth. An engineer is never attached to one tool or model, since their only value to an engineer comes from whether they work and are useful, NOT from whether they're true. As such, an engineer is very skeptical about extrapolation.Science is not a mythology. Science is useful for more than just making predictions. And the only evidence I really need for that is the fact that I am speaking words into a device, which are transcribing those words into text on a screen, which will soon be published into the ether or a server, and later read by others a world away.
Well, see, this question sort of presupposes that there is an "inside" and an "outside". If you make that presupposition even unconsciously, you're left with the problem of establishing a connection between the "inside" and the "outside". Naive realists think that the "inside" is like a more or less correct copy of the "outside". However, this is foolish, since we have no reason to believe it in the first place. In fact, there is no possible way to establish that connection, because whatever would connect the two needs to be both inside the mind, and outside the mind at one and the same time.does science exist outside the human mind. I posit it does, I suspect you think otherwise. But how could we possibly prove either?
We cannot "prove" anything. Any proof makes reference to a different element of reality to account for the one to be proved. And hence there never is any foundation.But how could we possibly prove either?
What do you think about it? - Miracles. They happen. Like the invisible hand. Guiding. That sudden great amount of strength. Spiritual resonance.I am reading Autobiography of a Yogi.
I'd love to get some feedback about the book.
The author talks about miracles all throughout the book.
It sounds like a scam to me. I get offended, irritated, while listening to it.
I have posted something in another thread talking about the Self Realization Center that this guy founded in LA.
I have been there and the guided meditation (free) I have participated in once has been one of the most powerful experiences I have ever had.
At the same time, I cannot believe these miracles he talks about in the book.
I would love to believe in them because life would be much better.
What do you think about it?
We are talking about things that science cannot explain.
PS
My wish is that once I accept the book, I will be able to perform miracles as well.
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