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Developing Discipline and Overcoming Obstacles

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    It seems that coming up with ideas, analyzing properties or businesses, researching trends and/or ideas etc. are all important pieces of creating wealth, but without action, none of it matters.

    There are many “things†that get in the way of action such as procrastination and fear etc. The above mentioned activities can be done under the guise of working, but in reality can be nothing more than busy work to avoid doing what really needs to be done.

    What kinds of practical things have you done to become successfully productive?

    Does it make a difference to plan your day or not? Have you struggled with planning your day and then when it came to follow through other things found a way to “become more or just as important†than what you planned?

    How have you achieved the ability to remain focused and not go down rabbit trails looking at “good†ideas? How did you overcome fear, for example, the fear of calling prospects etc.?

    How did you make the things you needed to do “bite sized�

    This is not an all inclusive list, but hopefully will generate thoughts and ideas for people to work with.

    If you have had success in becoming more disciplined and/or overcoming obstacles, please share your experience.
     
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    Plan and write goals, those two alone will do a world of good.
     
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    I follow a to-do list. I go after the top priority for the day. I work on getting at least one activity off the list.

    What I've noticed is that I have to do the top 1 priority before anything else.... for example, complete that activity before reading my email, or the news. Why? Cause that is how I get distracted. I am working to change my mindset to be a single-tasker instead of a multi-tasker.

    During working on this activity, do not pick up the phone, read emails, open a new browser, etc etc etc.... do not get distracted until you are done. That's been my focus lately.

    I struggle a lot with those activities that I do not want to do (the last one was filing an appeal to my health insurance.. I was really avoiding it until I had to slap my self and did it). But hey, it is top 1 in the list... it MUST be done.
     
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    I have a daily to-do list also.
    I keep it to the absolute must-do's
    (though I have another list for everything).
    I might let it slide from day to day
    but at the end of the week,
    everything has to be done
    or no play time for Kimber.
     
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    Yes, this is what I'm talking about. The struggle over the task you want to avoid for whatever reason requires discipline and how you do it. Good input.
     
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    How are you with actually not allowing yourself play time? Or what do you do to ensure you don't play when all your friends are playing outside? And what if you get to the end of the week and something you put off needs to be done on a week day and it's now the weekend?
     
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    I'm a pretty disciplined person
    (being a project gal I have to be)
    so there isn't that much of a gap in my to do list.

    I also make myself accountable.
    For example:
    I'll tell the hubby
    I want to do this and this and this today.
    At the end of the day,
    I know he'll ask about it.
     
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    This is key. Having somebody asking you for what is pending will make a world's difference. Even better, knowing for sure you will be asked about it, you will be alert to it and will try harder to make it happen. This is one of the success 'secrets' from support groups and personal trainers... they don't make things for you, they make you accountable. If you are on a diet and nobody to report to then you won't care the same as if you have to answer to your personal trainer or partner about the extra pound you shouldn't have gain during last weekend.

    Start simple... make a simple list and then work on scratching at least one off per day. Make the items in the list really simple (send email to George about the offer for a property; take clothe to laundry; call realtor Joe to find rentals in the area; etc etc).
     
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    Come - on guys. Are you going to tell me that you must be accountable to someone in order to have the conviction to follow through on a goal. You don't have what it takes in and of yourself?
    :boxing_smiley:
     
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    Thanks Andviv and Kimberland you have brought out great points. Prioritizing your task list and accountability.

    Have you (or anyone can weigh in) overcome any fears or maybe you just have tips on pushing past them regularly?
     
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    Goals written down or told to others have better odds of being accomplished.
    Why would I NOT use this tool to help me?
    I find it easier working with human nature.

    As for fears... well, of course, everyone has them.
    I get sick to my stomach before making presentations
    or sales pitches.
    (My solution is... I don't eat before them).

    Ya gotta understand the emotion.
    Fear is a caution, not a stop.

    An entrepreneur once told me that if you're not a bit scared,
    you're playing it too safe.
     
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    Goals written down do help you to focus on the priorities at hand - That has nothing to do with making yourself accountable to another person in order to give you the impetus needed to complete a task and reach a goal. Lets ask SteveO - MJ - Rus - Diane and some of the other Successes that post here and see how many of them had to use accountability in order to acheive. I'll bet not many!
     
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    Well, I do know that I don't have it easily to concentrate in just one thing. The 'multi-tasking' concept was introduced to me at an early age. The concept of 'single-tasking' (i.e. FOCUS) was not. I've found that this type of accountability works for me, so I use it. Maybe I am not good enough, or not as good as others that can do this naturally, but I've found a tool that helps me accomplish what I have to do, and I use it. Truth be told, there are many many things I don't 'want' to do although I have to, so that is when I make use of it.

    Interesting to see what others do and how they overcome the challenge of accomplishing 'that' task they don't want to do but it is needed.
     
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    Cat Man Du

    I know I, and many others on this forum, appreciate the input that Kimberland and Andviv give, as evidenced by their speed scores. Please do not belittle and/or argue with them in this thread.

    I started this tread asking legitimate questions, hoping that those who have had success would share how they overcame and these two have done just that. It is very easy to become side tracked and it's easy to let fear hold you back, no matter what you write down on paper.

    It is absolutely essential to write down your goals, but just as an architect writes down the plan, it doesn't manifest as a building until it is put into action, and many times there are obstacles within that process that have to be overcome otherwise the building won't get built. They may be different obstacles than the ones discussed here, but the principal is the same.

    Kimberland

    "Fear is a caution, not a stop" that's very good to remember for anything, not just achieving your goals.

    Andviv

    There is always at least one 'that' task isn't there? Even once you've checked one off your list a new and different one shows up. And do you find that often once you completed 'that' task, you realize it wasn't 'that' bad? But you don't know until you've overcome the barrier.

    I hope others will add some of their stories in these areas. I'm sure most everyone has had one struggle or another with one thing or another that they've been able to persevere through.
     
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    I don't see anything wrong with Cat Man Du's reply... having these types of arguments are healthy as long as they don't become a pissing contest (i.e. do not attack people personally for no reason). His/Her point of view is a valid one and bring something else to the discussion... thinking about it from different perspectives one could argue that not having the willingness to do a task on your own without having somebody supporting you or holding you accountable could be an indicator of a) not having enough motivation to reach the goal (maybe this motivation alone should be enough); or b) maybe you should not be doing this task in the first place.

    I do agree with Cat Man Du's idea of asking others to see how they deal with this.

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    I like this post, interesting topic. And yes, most of the cases those things you just don't want to do are, after completing them, not such a big deal after all... I think this comes from facing situations that make you uncomfortable and/or make you face one of your inner fears (public speaking, talking to somebody with more authority, fear of failure, etc etc)
     
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    On your comment about Cat Man Du's comments, fair enough. Ok.

    Thank you.

    I think you're verbalizing something here that I haven't brought out and is maybe more of the underlying idea. Worth further discussion.
     
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    I'd be surprised if they were not held accountable to someone.
    Anytime you require help with your goals,
    that person giving the help should be keeping you accountable.

    If I borrow money based on a sales projection
    and the sales don't happen,
    the lender SHOULD call me on it
    (at least they should come renewal time).

    If I have a business partner
    and I don't make my goals for the quarter,
    they should ask why.

    That sort of thing.
    So what I'm doing is partnering with the hubby
    because... well... he's my partner.
    LOL
     
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    Allthingznew, I appreciate the defence.
    It is okay though.
    I didn't get where I am by having a thin skin
    (or by caving to peer pressure,
    illustrated by still resisting investment real estate
    despite Russ' great sales attempts).

    BTW... I think there should be a button for subtracting speed.
    A bit fast for this slow lane investor.
     
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    I know I, and many others on this forum, appreciate the input that Kimberland and Andviv give, as evidenced by their speed scores. Please do not belittle and/or argue with them in this thread.

    Of course I agree that they add alot to this forum and it is not my attention to belittle anyone. Kimberland - When you first started with your ideas - Did you make your self accountable to anyone? I don't mean your hubby because that is really being accountable to yourself as the 2 are 1. My wife is a business partner as well as partner for life - We discuss everything. I'm addressing the current GURU "mentors" Coaches that use accountability as the means to an end. The slow lanes will not move in and of themselves - If that what it takes to move you - you will never move out of the middle or slow lane.
     
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    I've always used mentors.
    Not the ones that get paid,
    the ones that volunteer because they want to give back.

    A good mentor keeps their proteges accountable.
    A protege wanting to keep a good mentor has to show progress
    or the mentor feels their valuable time is being wasted.

    I know what you're getting at...
    am I self driven?
    Of course.
    I was the gal in class doing extra credit projects "for fun."
    (Driving my teachers crazy because I insisted on feedback,
    adding to their workload).
    But even I need a push now and then.

    As for the hubby and I being as 1...
    LOL
    I'll mention that to the hubby tonight.
    He'll get a kick out of that.
    We have very different yet complimentary styles.
     
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    A good mentor keeps their proteges accountable.
    A protege wanting to keep a good mentor has to show progress
    or the mentor feels their valuable time is being waste

    But even I need a push now and then.

    As for the hubby and I being as 1...
    LOL
    I'll mention that to the hubby tonight.
    He'll get a kick out of that.
    We have very different yet complimentary styles.[/quote]

    OK. A good mentor will give feed-back and will make you accountable to some extent, but why do you need this? I get the feeling that you need someone to pat you on the head and say Good Girl. Don't get me wrong Kim - I read your story and you are one of my heroes - You have overcome a lot. We still need to hear from - SteveO - MJ - Russ - Diane how many of them had accountability in the beginning? Did they motivate themselves? My position is that if you are not motivated from within you will never attain the goals that you set for yourself. Also, I would like to hear from others what ignited the spark within to hit the fastlane.
     
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    I found my path and just went full speed at it.

    Obstacles are challenges that I like. A couple of my favorites:

    "You're not ready to start buying apartments" Quote from the first agent that I was trying to get to help me.

    "There are no 100% financed deals." Loan broker

    "That deal is less than a 5% cap. You can't make that work!" Lender that did lend me the money. The deal was sold a year later for a $1M profit. It was cashflowing fine at the time of sale.

    As far as daily task management goes, not my cup of tea.
     
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    Great topic Allthingznew. Speed +++...

    Lots of great responses here. Thanks for sharing.

    I definitely agree with the comment that most tasks feel so easy once they are done. I experience this every day with my homework for school. I always procrastinate. I put my homework off until at least 10 PM every night, and then when I finally start, I get it done 1-2-3.

    It's more of a mental thing than anything else. It's not quite fear. Fear is just an excuse. At least that's how it is for me. Regardless, it just makes the end result feel that much more rewarding.

    Great topic. Keep sharing. This is definitely something I struggle with.
     
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    Ummm.... as Steve mentioned,
    there are enough people kicking us in the a$$
    to worry about being patted on the head.

    I don't "need" this
    but I'd be a fool not to use all the tricks and tools available
    to get me where I want to be.
    If I need to get a difficult task done
    (especially one I'm dreading),
    I know that making myself accountable to someone else
    will increase the odds of it getting done
    (studies have proven this).
    It also opens up avenues for help (early) if I get stuck.

    I'm not too proud to ask for help
    or to let that pride get in the way of me achieving my goals.
    (Which is the only reason that I can think of
    NOT to use this trick,
    that and the fear of failure).

    So tell me, Cat Man Du, why do you NOT use this trick?
     
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    My motivation to Developing Discipline and Overcome Obstacles has more to do with wasted time and opportunities. I am 48 and just started taking control a couple of years ago. I see what I have done for the past 20 years(or not done). I know that if I am going to enjoy a good life that I need to focus on those changes that are going to get me there. So I know, inside of me, when those old feelings and habits start to creep in that I am wasting time. Also, I know that all of this change is up to only one person, me.

    The other thing that helps me is that I teach 5th grade science in school. My main reason for getting into teaching was to help children without dads. My dad left when I was 12. The last thing he told me is that he would come back to get me and he never did. Several of my kids act up in school and are constantly in trouble directly due to problems at home. If their parents only could realize how much they are messing their kid's life up. Anyway, my routine lessons to the these kids is about not allowing the actions of others to control you or your actions, make better choices to improve your future, allow school to be a refuge from the problems at home and use it to make you a better person, etc. How could I work with these kids and convince them to make changes in their lives if I don't practice what I preach? So I can also say, because of my students I get off my duff and consistently attack my own obstacles.:cheers:

    Greg
     
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