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Free registration at the forum removes this block.bro, don't waste your time. Most of these hardcore conservatives and republicans don't even know what genetics are, or what it means.
They read a few lines of crap on the internet and now know how diabetes work down at the molecular level...
There will never be a perfect free healthcare system. There will always be inefficiencies. However, technology is helping with that. Cutting costs, and making it affordable. Yeah, it's going to cost money and it's not perfect, but it's better than having people die of shit that can be fixed.
these guys don't get economics. when your society is literally dying because they can't afford healthcare, next thing to do is turn their sights on you. You can't be a castle in the ghetto. Of course, these metaphors will fly over their heads and claim I'm putting words in their mouth, but it's the reality..
This me,me,me, worried about how rich they going to get because of taxation taking away their cash. I'd rather pay more tax and live in a society where my neighbor doesn't die of cancer, even if it means I pay a bit more in taxes.
lol bunch of 18 year olds that haven't gone through life, talking about cashola and how they want to keep it in their pockets... oh shit son, you shared an anecdote where a doctor made a mistake??? oh shit son, thank you for sharing that. cause you know, humans don't make mistakes....... oh that was "free health care fault" lol ok.. wow. share a story that makes sense... For ever 1 story where somewhere he shits on universal health care, there are literally millions who beat cancer, and survived because of universal health care.
You have no idea what you're talking about. The government doesn't pay for insulin shot.. Not in Canada. You are very misguided in your post and spreading misinformation. This is what a conservative government wants you to fight about on Facebook with half truths.
Yes, low income people qualify for certain drug benefits, but the vast majority don't get free insulin like your post implies. Sure, if they got into shock, or half a major issue brought upon by diabetes, then the hospital bill is covered by the public system
The problem with your point of view is this:
one day when you get hit by a car when you are "jogging" and listening to your music... Why should I pay for your surgery??? I didn't tell you to go jogging at 5am on the street... It's not my fault you can't be perceptive of your surrounding.....
Exactly. You want the health care when it happens to you, but you don't want to pay when it happens to someone else. So it's a selfish perspective.
That's not to say that socialist system is the answer either. But the one thing I will advocate is free world wide healthcare. No one should suffer any pain, or injury, without treatment.. REGARDLESS of their class.
You should be happy that you're healthy. Those that are not wil likely live shorter unhappy lives..
it goes both ways.
Which province do you live in, if you don't mind my asking?
In Quebec, they've allowed private clinics because of this supreme court decision, which doesn't apply to the rest of Canada:
Chaoulli v Quebec (AG) - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Canada and the US are very close to each extreme in terms of health care systems. The first is prohibitively expensive in terms of time, the second in terms of money. A system targeted toward the public good with enough private sector discipline and disincentives to abuse would be a workable compromise.
what does charity have to do with health care? Socializing a medical system is not charity. Make sure people don't die is not a charity.
Your post overall makes zero sense.
So because diabetes, heart disease, can't be cured...... that means it shouldn't be treated because it's expensive?
What are you trying to say?
you should check your facts.
Canadian doctors make similar to their US counterparts to some extent
they work on billable hours
This is why hordes of specialists left Canada for the US after the 1984 Canada Health Care Act
Healthcare isn't healthcare. If a name meant anything, it would be called disease management care. As a dual citizen who has lived in both Canada and the USA at times (currently US based) both systems are majorly flawed in my opinion. I don't want to put blame on people for having health problems, but a system that does nothing substantial to reward people for maintaining good health through diet and exercise is just shit. When I spend more of my budget and time on quality food and exercise, why should I be paying for John and Sue's insulin medication if all they do is sit on the couch watching TV, drinking diet coke and eating doritos. If you're not going to punish people for bad habits, because it's not politically correct, then you should at least reward them for good ones. Sorry, guess I had a little rant of my own there
I don’t recall saying that I preferred the US system. My point was that the US is used as a strawman to detract from the point that other systems exist besides Canada and the US.Go to europe or USA then since it's so much better. Let us know how it turns out for you.
I'd rather pay more tax and live in a society where my neighbor doesn't die of cancer, even if it means I pay a bit more in taxes.
Do you believe people have the right to demand money from someone that they did not earn?
Why is someone entitled to someone else's money to help pay for their healthcare?
Wait, rape abortions should be free? I thought you said you don't want socialist medicine. You can't have it both ways. Oh, that's right, if you were raped, and your insurer didn't cover you, you would expect society to pick up the tab.
That's not hypocrisy though? Oh, I understand, when it's "emotional" to you, then it's ok for it to be covered. But when it's emotional to someone else, no, they should take care of their fat-bodies.
Funny, you went on a tirade about how I put words in your mouth.... Yeah, sure.. except you then went and proved my point... My point being that: when it happens to someone else, F-them, they should pay for it.
When it happens to me, government should pay!
Yeah ok. If that's not the definition of hypocrisy I don't know what is.
what does charity have to do with health care? Socializing a medical system is not charity. Make sure people don't die is not a charity.
Your post overall makes zero sense.
So because diabetes, heart disease, can't be cured...... that means it shouldn't be treated because it's expensive?
What are you trying to say?
you should check your facts.
lol bunch of 18 year olds that haven't gone through life, talking about cashola and how they want to keep it in their pockets... oh shit son, you shared an anecdote where a doctor made a mistake??? oh shit son, thank you for sharing that. cause you know, humans don't make mistakes....... oh that was "free health care fault" lol ok.. wow. share a story that makes sense... For ever 1 story where somewhere he shits on universal health care, there are literally millions who beat cancer, and survived because of universal health care.
you genuinely have zero clue how the medical system works in Canada.
?
What's yours?
lots of Americans have died getting zero treatment... Difference is it didn't also bankrupt them.
So keep up with your humble brag about how you are going to be an entreprenur making trillions so you can pay for your own healthcare.
as there a number of health care systems in Europe and other parts of the world that provide much better outcomes than Canada's.
I had a different experience with our (Canadian) healthcare system.
This opinion may not be popular among some of the Canadians on the forum, but I think it's time to call a spade a spade: The health care system in Canada (and especially in my province) is unacceptably bad and throwing more money at the problem isn't going to fix it. Politicians who compare our system solely to the one in the United States are misleading Canadians and deflecting from addressing our system's deficiencies, as there a number of health care systems in Europe and other parts of the world that provide much better outcomes than Canada's.
I'm in BC.
I'm not sure I agree that our system is "prohibitively expensive in terms of time". My own experience was quite quick and smooth and didn't seem unreasonable at all (it actually surprised me how quick I was in and out).
Two months ago my father had a stroke scare. He was fine, but was admitted into the ER for a checkup. He was in and out, multiple tests, consultation with doctor, in about 8 hours. No cost. That seems reasonable to me.
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