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Buyer Beware - Buying Funds at Year End

Discussion in 'Investing/Trading/Cryptocurrency/Altcoins' started by MJ DeMarco, Oct 15, 2007.

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    This advice isn't classified as "Fastlane" or "Slowlane" because it is really just a lesson in finance. Regardless of the lane, knowing this information can save you hundreds, if not thousands.

    Be cautious buying mutual funds at year end as a buy point at the wrong time could cost you thousands. Why? Mutual funds distribute capital gains at year end which results in an immediate taxable event to you, even if you only owned the fund for 3 days.

    An example from my own personal experience...

    I'm looking to dump $1,000,000 into a XYZ Mutual Fund to produce some passive income.

    I buy 100,000 XYZ Fund shares at $10 on December 1st.

    Total account value:
    XYZ Mutual Fund: $1,000,000 (100,000 shares @ $10.00)


    Unfortunately, If I don't do my homework and the XYZ Fund distributes capital gains on December 2nd of 60 cents per share, I'm gonna get HIT with unecessary costs which in no uncertain terms, is like tossing $$ out the window of a moving car.

    Immediately as the mutual fund company distributes cap gains, the share price drops to $9.40 and my account is allocated $60,000 in cap gains.

    Now my account reads:

    Total Account Value:
    XYZ Mutual Fund: $1,000,000 (106,383 shares X $9.40 share)


    Problem: The $60,000 in new shares will be taxed as short-term capital gains immediately resulting in a loss of $21,000 to your net worth -- added to your tax bill.

    The prudent thing is to wait AFTER capital gains distributions to avoid unwanted capital gain distributions being tacked on to your tax bill -- resulting in detrimental effects to your total ROI.

    This example applies to any size investment - the loss determined by your short-term capital gains rate.

    For large sized investments in any fund, it is important to wait until after cap-gain distributions. For smaller investments, it might not make much a difference as the opportunity cost exceeds the tax hit. (For smaller income brackets)

    MJ
     
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    Thanks. Great advice!

    Speaking of Mutual Funds, what is a good company through which to buy them? Although slow lane, I like to place some of my business's liquid assets in there, instead of staying as cash, between investments/purchases. I've personally used ING before and was happy, buy they do not offer funds for business accounts. Any suggestions?
     
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    I have accounts with Vanguard, T. Rowe Price, Fidelity and Alpine. All have been great to work with.

    EDIT: Woops, these are personal, not thru business but I'm sure you can start business accts with them.
     
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    Instead of mutual funds have you tried buying ETFs ?

    Most mutual funds - infact over 90% lag the overall market.
    If you think the market is going up, go long DIA (Dow) , SPY (S&P 500) or QQQQ (Nasdaq 100) .

    Now they have these new bull ETFs which do 2X the actual index
    DDM does twice the Dow. So if the Dow is up 1 %, DDM is up close to 2%.
    SSO is 2x the S&P 500.
    QLD is 2x the QQQQ

    The cool thing is you also have leveraged bear ETFs like DXD( 2X inverse of the Dow), SDS(S&P 2X inverse) and QID (2X QQQQ Inverse). If you think the market is going down, you can go long these leveraged inverse ETFs and make twice the gains than if you shorted the indices.

    They also have sector ETFs in than are 2x bull and 2x inverse.

    A good sector ETF is SRS which is basically an ultra bear real estate ETF. If the RE sector is down 2%, SRS is up around 4% .The market took a little beating today but SRS was up 4.2%. QLD was down 1.7%. If you had 70% of your portfolio in QLD and 30% in SRS, you'd have broken even today despite the overall market being down 0.8-1%.
     
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    MJ: I just gave you Rep on this one. I completely forgot about that good advice and am going to put a reminder on my blog. I have seen the sad results of people hit at tax time/year end for a fund just bought.
     
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    I have business (corporate) accounts at ETrade and Optionsxpress currently and have had one at Ameritrade in the past. Most any brokerage should offer corporate accounts.
     
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    I actually have been looking to investing in some REIT's for the time between real estate deals. Any good suggestions as to ones to buy or brokers to buy them from?
     
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    Surprisingly, many brokerages either do not have such an account, or it has a $500,000 minimum, or it is a retirement vehicle only. I've only been ably to find TD Ameritrade or eTrade as an option.

    I was looking at eTrade as an option, but I wanted to use a broker who had a high-yield savingd account as well. ING has a high-yield business savings account, but no brokerage for business. eTrade is the opposite.

    So far, I have not found one that does both, but ING claims to be adding investment options in the future.
     
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    Sorry. i don't know much about REITs. But if you believe real estate has bottomed here ( homebuilders etc) you could take a shot at URE which is a bull Real estate ETF which mimicks the Dow Jones Real estate index x 2. If DJRE is up 1% , URE is up close to 2%. URE is the opposite of the SRS (which I am currently long).

    Here are some Ultra (2x) Bull and Ultra (2x) bear sector ETFs

    BULL

    DDM - Dow 30
    SSO - S&P 500
    QLD - QQQ
    MVV - Midcap 400
    SAA - Small cap 600
    UWM - Russell 2000

    UYM - Basic materials
    UGE - Consumer goods
    UCC - Consumer services
    UYG - Financials
    RXL - Health care
    UXI - Industrials
    DIG - Oil and gas
    URE - Real estate
    USD - Semiconductors
    ROM - Technology
    UPW - Utilities


    BEAR

    DXD - Dow30
    SDS - S&P 500
    QID - QQQ
    MZZ - Midcap 400
    SDD - Smallcap 600
    TWM - Russell 2000

    SMN - Basic materials
    SZK - Consumer goods
    SCC - Consumer services
    SKF - Financials
    RXD - Healthcare
    SRS - Real estate
    SIJ - Industrials
    DUG - Oil and gas
    SSG - semi conductors
    REW - technology
    SDP = utilities
     
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    Quick question about buying funds. For long term capital gains you need to wait over 1 year. What happens with the dividend payout happens under that period ? You have to pay short term gains for the first year only.

    Ex. A fund distributes dividends on October 22, 2012. You buy on October 25th, 2012, but next year, the dividends will be paid out on the same date. Because it has been less than 1 year, how does this affect taxes? Does it only affect this for the first year.

    Or what happens when a fund pays out monthly? Is it only taxed if you withdrawal the dividend from the fund?

    Sorry for the newbie questions - just don't want to get killed on unnecessary taxes.
     

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