An "Attracting Women" Video Course

[JohnBuffet]

Hello all,

I haven't posted here in a while. Last time I posted I had a youtube channel, but shut it down last year.

Since getting such great advice on such an amazing forum I wanted to get some more advice about another idea I had.

I am still a teacher, I like my job, but I obviously would like more money. My idea is to make a video course which teaches men aged 18-35 how to approach women, how to talk to women, where to take them on dates, how to dress for success with women, where and how to meet them, and more. I would make the video course and sell it for around $100. I would advertise utilizing facebook and instagram. Once the videos are done, its pretty passive from there making it fastlane.
I used to go home from school everyday and read this website teaching guys how to talk to women. My friends and I used to try to speak to older guys, and we would always watch that MTV show "The Pick Up Artist" trying to learn as much as possible, so I know there is a need for this kind of thing. It took my years and finally I can say I am successful with women and I do really well. I could provide all of the years of trial and error and research for people. I know this has been done by others like books and TV shows, but I think the need will always be there..

What do you guys think? Should I persue this? Is it a good idea? Is it too gimicky?

Any advice would be GREATLY appreciated! Thanks in advance!

 

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[JAJT]

Out of curiosity is your goal to teach confidence and self-worth, or just how to get laid at any cost?

Because I think there's a lot of value in the former, and nothing but sleaze in the later.

There's huge value in teaching folks how to be their best selves and how to express that to the opposite sex.
There's no value in teaching scripts, routines, tricks and games to get laid by pretending to be someone they aren't.

 

[AndrewNC]

would advertise utilizing facebook and instagram. Once the videos are done, its pretty passive from there making it fastlane.

Hey Man,

The content of the course and sales angle is one thing, and you already got feedback on that.

Things to look out for with Facebook ads on anything dating - you'll have to face some barriers to entry on any paid ads because they are very strict there.

As someone who has many video courses, yes - the product delivery and fulfillment is pretty passive for video products. The sales and the marketing are not. So the 'pretty passive' from there is true only in the one sense.

Just throwing this out there, not based on you, but just from general impressions of people who throw around the word passive.

 

[MidwestLandlord]

I would be cautious selling "pick up" of any sort to 15 year olds...

Just sayin'

 

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[Azure]

There are literally thousands of these already. What are you doing differently?

 

[JohnBuffet]

There are literally thousands of these already. What are you doing differently?

Thanks to all who responded. Yes, my course would not just be gimmick or sleaze, it would a bundle of everything to improve confidence to attract women. I would cover workout routines, fashion, personal hygiene/colognes, and then go over more specific things such as which places do you go to meet women i.e. coffee shops and bars, the internet/fb etc.. And, what are some good "openers" or conversation starters "pick up lines" if you will. Where should you take a girl on the first few dates, general tips, etc.

How will it be different? I haven't seen any video courses on this yet, so I can't really answer for sure. I will say it will be a video that features all my knowledge and skills I have learned throughout the years of picking up women.. So, will it be much different than any other courses out there? I don't know honestly. But I know it will be my personal spin on things,.. Should I do it?

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Over the years, people here have voiced concern that there aren't enough women entrepreneurs here.

Do you know why? It's because of thread titles like yours, "Getting women."

As such, I've changed your thread title from "getting women" to "attracting women."

"Getting women" implies women are objects to be collected and placed in a trophy case. The women here are tough cookies and I don't even know if that phrase would irk them, but it irks me.

In the future, try be a little more cognizant of your audience. Thank you.

 

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[JohnBuffet]

Over the years, people here have voiced concern that there aren't enough women entrepreneurs here.

Do you know why? It's because of thread titles like yours, "Getting women."

As such, I've changed your thread title from "getting women" to "attracting women."

"Getting women" implies women are objects to be collected and placed in a trophy case. The women here are tough cookies and I don't even know if that phrase would irk them, but it irks me.

In the future, try be a little more cognizant of your audience. Thank you.

Makes sense.

 

[SteveO]

I have spent my entire life trying to "get" women. The problem is that I just don't. Attracting women is another story though.

Sometimes while talking to the wife I will say something. She becomes upset. I don't "get" it.

Okay... not funny... I tried though.

 

[Azure]

Thanks to all who responded. Yes, my course would not just be gimmick or sleaze, it would a bundle of everything to improve confidence to attract women. I would cover workout routines, fashion, personal hygiene/colognes, and then go over more specific things such as which places do you go to meet women i.e. coffee shops and bars, the internet/fb etc.. And, what are some good "openers" or conversation starters "pick up lines" if you will. Where should you take a girl on the first few dates, general tips, etc.

How will it be different? I haven't seen any video courses on this yet, so I can't really answer for sure. I will say it will be a video that features all my knowledge and skills I have learned throughout the years of picking up women.. So, will it be much different than any other courses out there? I don't know honestly. But I know it will be my personal spin on things,.. Should I do it?

None of that stuff is unique though.

 

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[Maxboost]

Most advice is crap....period...I have been putting my ideas on this subject on the backburner for a while and many of these dating gurus are just re hashing old advice from the PUA boom back in 2006.

The dating landscape has changed dramatically with Tinder and POF.

To see if you are rehashing the same old advice from these loser PUA guys answer the following questions?

How would you get a guy who is struggling with this area of his life handled? What is the first step? What advice would you give him to eliminate approach anxiety? What is the main point of how you would "attract" women? Do looks and money matter in your opinion?

 

[rollerskates]

Out of curiosity is your goal to teach confidence and self-worth, or just how to get laid at any cost?

Because I think there's a lot of value in the former, and nothing but sleaze in the later.

There's huge value in teaching folks how to be their best selves and how to express that to the opposite sex.
There's no value in teaching scripts, routines, tricks and games to get laid by pretending to be someone they aren't.

As a female, I agree with this and with MJ's statement as well.

Everyone should strive to be healthy, dress well, have good hygiene, and speak well. It's far more important to have these as life skills rather than pickup skills. Also, is this purported series going to teach men to be gentlemanly? That too, is a life skill that is important far beyond picking up chicks.

I just looked on youtube and I see:

31,200,000 hits on "how to pick up girls"
25,400,000 hits on "life skills"
4,840,000 hits on "how to be a gentleman"

Something to think about.

 

[AndrewNC]

Well, the replies to this thread have re-enforced the market demand for the book I've been writing for a year and a half now:

@JohnBuffet - If you enter this industry, the words I write are part of my book, they are copy-written, and you do not have permission to re-use them in any form. But since we are both entrepreneurs who are solving the same problem (relationships for men and the women who have to deal with us men), I encourage you to use the principles here as a guiding direction for you in helping the market; because it's what it needs.

Excerpt #1: Flipping the script away from tactics and external things.
While most guys go out there looking for the latest dating advice, tactics, tips and tricks, pickup lines, what to say, what types of dates to go on, how to dress, how to act, how to behave, what to do, what not to do, what cologne or jewelry to wear, how to put your best foot forward and put up a front so maybe she can like the type of person you pretend to be at the surface; where does all this lead you?

Lonely. Frustrated. Upset. Another first date without a second. Another night of going home alone. Another box of tissues and five minutes on PornHub as you smoke some weed or drink some alcohol to cover up the pain and fall asleep; alone again.

It’s frustrating…

You see all these other men out there attracting women with ease and you don’t know how the do it. You try to do what they do, but despite doing the exact same things that worked for them; they don’t work for you and people make you feel ashamed and embarrassed for trying to do it too. They seem to get all the results that you’re not. Like most guys, you’re just trying to get what makes you happy in life. And it’s not working out for you the way you expect.

So how do we make that upgrade? How do we transform from who we are into who we want to be so that we can finally attract the dating life, the social standing, and the relationship(s) we truly want and deserve?

What you're about to experience will carry over through your business, career, and all other areas of your life too.

This book is for those of us who are sick and tired of being just another average guy who seems to always finish last and get left behind. This is for those of us who truly want to commit to this journey. By the time you are done reading this, you will be able to embody the very essence of what (edited for privacy - brand name) truly stands for.

Authentic Attraction, at its core. This book is your guide and we will show you the way.

Excerpt #2: Showing how pickup tactics are an epic disaster for long-term growth

Let’s “Neg” the girl and put her down to make her feel insecure so she wants to be with me. Let’s carefully construct our social media pictures to look we are abundant, successful, and attractive. Let’s take out a car loan we can’t afford to impress someone we drive a Mercedes on a $30,000 per year salary. Let's pay this Instagram model $500 to post in a picture, or video, with me and call this success with 'pickup'.

She takes your money and leaves you...alone and lonely once again.

Yes, this advice you've been given from the internet may lead to the second date, but sooner or later; the real you is finally exposed, and she disappears just like the rest. The journey you are about to embark on today resolves all of that…because when you work through all of these limitations that once were a part of you, and the authentically attractive version of yourself comes out, she’ll see a man she actually wants to be with…and is magnetically drawn to.

In ways you might not even imagine…

Excerpt #3: Magnetic Attraction

What if attracting women is not something you go chasing after? What if it’s about something you are? If you see an attractive man as if he is a magnet; he doesn’t have to use any pickup lines. He doesn’t have to put up a front. When he is on his purpose and congruent with who he authentically is at his core, women sense this and they are magnetically drawn to him.

Whether it's the confident salesman with the beach-toned body or the confident mechanical engineer with reading glasses, it’s not the label outside of us which make us attractive; it’s owning who we authentically are and being self-confident. If the mechanical engineer tries to put up the front and be the sales-person persona, women can sense that he is being fake and see right through that.

But what happens if you own who you authentically are?

I'm not saying this will attract every women in the world (it won't), but you'll begin to attract more and more attractive women who are naturally attracted to YOU. And this is the reason why Magnetic Attraction is so effortless.

Excerpt #4: Cars, money, looks, etc.
Do you notice how women can sense those subtle vibes of energy you give off when you're not being true to yourself? When you are congruent with who you are at your core, all of a sudden all those things in the outside world don't matter anymore:

· You don't need the right things to say,

· You don't need the pickup lines,

· You don't need the designer clothes, jewelry, or cologne,

· You don't need the six-pack abs, and

· You most certainly don't need a lot of money.

Yes, you can add those things to your collection if you'd like. Those things are the icing on the top of the cake but what you're about to experience is what needs to come first...

Women who you once thought were out of your league will be attracted to you for being who you are, on your purpose. You’ll look at what most guys are doing in terms of their dating life and cringe at the painful mistakes that you’ve once made in your past. The painful mistakes they are still making. You’ll have confidence and charisma, and your life will have purpose and meaning.

 

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[SteveO]

owning who we authentically are

!!!!

 

[RogueInnovation]

As a female, I agree with this and with MJ's statement as well.

Everyone should strive to be healthy, dress well, have good hygiene, and speak well. It's far more important to have these as life skills rather than pickup skills. Also, is this purported series going to teach men to be gentlemanly? That too, is a life skill that is important far beyond picking up chicks.

I just looked on youtube and I see:

31,200,000 hits on "how to pick up girls"
25,400,000 hits on "life skills"
4,840,000 hits on "how to be a gentleman"

Something to think about.

There are people out there who teach that, usually it is packaged as "how to be a real man"
Things like, before you compliment a girl, be the kind of man she wants a compliment from
Or have ambition in your life and aim to help her live up to her own

I think the "picking up girls" part has always been an insecurity thing, a lot of guys say "omg, what I'm doing isn't working, how can I get it to work" rather than question "why is it not working?" and that is a slippery slope. Initially guys avoid that second question because it leads to depression since you are aimlessly questioning yourself, and guys want to be active and confident to help avoid that. That said, the activity sent in the wrong direction can be pretty obnoxious if not worse, so any activity should come with respect and decorum.

IMO, lots of girls give poetic and good advice to men on the kinds of men they want, in blogs and on their facebook etc.
The problem is TRANSLATING that to guys when they are so eager to get the WRONG IDEA from what was said.
Guys often flatter themselves by assuming they understand women too early. And I think the best instruction is to preach developing understanding first before action, and the right activity first before intermingling with the opposite sex.

I think there are SANE ways to enlighten yourself as a man and nutty ways.
Its really important it remains on the sane end of the spectrum, and that it does not merely pay lip service to such things and then do random things that create friction for girls.

I've assisted in businesses like this with the largest growing companies
The problem from my perspective with the OP
Is he seems to think it is enough to "appease" women, rather than to solidly KNOW the consequences for them
And in any such business, getting women's trust is important, otherwise your credibility is going to be shot

I remember showing a site I was working with to a girl and her laughing at me "that is so cheesy, no"
I laughed too, cuz it really is quite silly in a way

To the OP
This kind of business shouldn't be treated as a joke, or a quick fix to get rich
You are taking on twice the responsibility as any other business
You cannot simply pay lip service to doing it right, it has to be right
Otherwise you'll just get kicked to the curb real fast, and you won't know what hit you

The guys who get rich quick off this sort of avoid the deeper topic and sell the "get fit, be an entreprenuer, look at this shiny new thing" angle, like Tai Lopez (no affiliation) just saying
If you want a fastlane, just a "pinch" of attraction from girls is enough from a marketing and sales perspective

It is the spice, it shouldn't be the main course, imo

 

[Andy Black]

I have spent my entire life trying to "get" women. The problem is that I just don't. Attracting women is another story though.

Sometimes while talking to the wife I will say something. She becomes upset. I don't "get" it.

Okay... not funny... I tried though.

Totally what I was going to write.

 

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[windchaser]

Thanks to all who responded. Yes, my course would not just be gimmick or sleaze, it would a bundle of everything to improve confidence to attract women. I would cover workout routines, fashion, personal hygiene/colognes, and then go over more specific things such as which places do you go to meet women i.e. coffee shops and bars, the internet/fb etc.. And, what are some good "openers" or conversation starters "pick up lines" if you will. Where should you take a girl on the first few dates, general tips, etc.

I am not so sure you will find a lot of people willing to pay $100 for a video on this, especially with no referent. Even assuming there is demand for it, targeting your audience out of the blue and transforming leads would be challenging and not passive at all.

I could maybe see it as a youtube channel or a blog, but as a $100 video.... I don't see it.

 

[rollerskates]

Well, the replies to this thread have re-enforced the market demand for the book I've been writing for a year and a half now

I hope you didn't get that from what I was saying. I think you too, are approaching it wrong. The end goal of self improvement should not be girls, or guys, but decent personhood. Those who have achieved decent personhood may or may not end up with a partner, but the difference is that if they don't end up with a partner, they will still have achieved something because they have improved as people, which also improves the lives of all they encounter. It's wrong to encourage people to tie up their self worth in "getting the girl" (or the guy) and encourage them to be clean and decent just to score, which is what you and Slick up there are both doing.

 

[AndrewNC]

I hope you didn't get that from what I was saying. I think you too, are approaching it wrong. The end goal of self improvement should not be girls, or guys, but decent personhood. Those who have achieved decent personhood may or may not end up with a partner, but the difference is that if they don't end up with a partner, they will still have achieved something because they have improved as people, which also improves the lives of all they encounter. It's wrong to encourage people to tie up their self worth in "getting the girl" (or the guy) and encourage them to be clean and decent just to score, which is what you and Slick up there are both doing.

Oh, you are spot on with this.

The excerpts I sent over were from the introduction of the book. To influence the readers to make the change from (get the girl, etc.) to the real goal (being the best version of yourself regardless of what is outside of you- similar to what you're saying)...I have to connect with their selfish desires, and then lead them throughout the stories in the book to make the shift in their mind.

I just looked on youtube and I see:

31,200,000 hits on "how to pick up girls"
25,400,000 hits on "life skills"
4,840,000 hits on "how to be a gentleman"

Something to think about.

Similar to using this as an example...

You can bet this book will be marketed on YouTube for 'how to pickup girls' as a marketing angle. I feel the most effective way to change the people within the market who need help is to connect with them where they are at, and 'pull them out' if I could paint a visual.

1. Oh, you want to get girls? This is how you get girls....
2. You become attractive through this transformation (instead of getting or chasing)...
3. Oh by the way, since you are here now, can you see how you're just a well-rounded person overall now, and it's great regardless?

That's kind of my formula for influential writing. Most people don't respond to that right away

I found it too difficult to not to appeal to their existing emotions and desires first. While the demographic of this forum is more well-rounded and wont' respond to the 'go after' stuff...the mass amount of people who need the help respond better the other way.
My ego is done defending myself and thanks for the insights. I'll definitely be including that as the final destination of the book.

 

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[Lex DeVille]

There's no value in teaching scripts, routines, tricks and games to get laid by pretending to be someone they aren't.

I have spent my entire life trying to "get" women. The problem is that I just don't. Attracting women is another story though.

Sometimes while talking to the wife I will say something. She becomes upset. I don't "get" it.

Okay... not funny... I tried though.

How to be a good husband, and build supportive relationships that last...why is nobody ever selling this course?

 

[JSM]

I'm 17 and you're crazy if you think I'd spend $100 on a course teaching me how to "get girls."

 

[Almantas]

How to be a good husband, and build supportive relationships that last...why is nobody ever selling this course?

You've just found yourself a niche, dear sir

 

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[NewManRising]

I think this market is pretty saturated. There are many youtube channels already teaching this and for free. Some of them are big channels too with 100s of thousands of subscribers. The thing I have against books and videos teaching how to get women is that they are mostly all wrong. First of all, they assume all women think and feel the same way. So they teach these BS formulas and think it will work. I am not trying to brag, but I don't even bother using pick up lines or trying to impress women at all and women are always interested in me. The thing is, when you are out in the real world and are around women, you start to see how they "really" are. So many of these "pick up" materials out there are from a man's perspective and it is mostly wrong. I have seen a few women on youtube teaching this stuff too and they teach the same approach too.

The problem I have is that they teach men that they need external things to attract women. That their worthiness is all based on performance. It teaches men to be in this constant approval-seeking mode. Rarely do they ever teach about inherent worth. All they do is make men more insecure than they already are and make them think they are not good enough just as they are. When men do all the things they were told were supposed to work and it does not they get bitter. They blame women, they feel entitled, and then you get movements like MGTOW and Red Pill. Some guys think they can be an ugly slob and have no manners or respect for anyone and they can get models. Get real. I am proof you don't need all this flashy shit to attract women. Learn to understand women, learn to look at their humanity, realize they are not much different than men and focus on relationship skills, not "getting laid" skills. I actually hate being around the majority of men because they are insecure and overcompensate their masculinity. If you have any real world experience you will know that what is generally taught to men on how to attract women only works for a minority of women (usually the dysfunctional, easy, needy, and gold digging types). Sorry, not the kind of women I want. If you need to change who you are so much to attract a woman then it is not worth it. Think of women like business. You know how if the barrier of entry is hard the rewards will be greater? Well, apply this to women too. If the barrier to entry into a woman's pants is easy then everyone else will be able to gain entry. IMO, the easier they are the bigger problems they come with.

 

[NewManRising]

You've just found yourself a niche, dear sir

You would think this would be a good thing to focus on. But these people that sell the "how to pick up women" play off of most men's ignorance, desperation and stupidity. Most men are in competition with one another. They think the more they get laid (even if they have to lie like a lot do) the bigger the man they are. If only more men could step aside from this bullshit they could live happier lives and have better relationships with women.

 

[socaldude]

You "get women" by not chasing woman.

Catch-22 and paradox.

Being nice and respectful works better than sending D$%k pics.

Trust me

 

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[JohnBuffet]

Thank you to every one of you for the great responses. Sorry I am just getting to write back now (I was hitting the gym and getting my haircut, you know so I could attract more women ;-) )

So you all made some great points. I agree that a lot of the books and advice out there is garbage. What would make my video series successful/different IMO is that the advice I give does actually work, and I have tried it, and have given advice to my friends for years who call me constantly for dating advice. If I were to do this course I would have several videos for instance:

1- For self improvement as many mentioned - Workout advice.. How often, which exercises, how many sets and reps and provide workout routines as well ( I am a natural bodybuilder)
2 - Advice on hygiene with cologne recommendations / suggestions and why it is so important to smell nice.
3- Personal style tips/haircuts and fashion, what to wear, how to decide, etc
4- "Pick up lines" - And it's not that pick up lines work or don't work.. you can call them whatever you like but when you see a woman in person you need to come up to her and say something. As soon as you see her, go up and talk to her, because the longer you take the more opportunity you give yourself to talk yourself out of it. Which lines? Well, for example- one line I use with great luck and which I really I like is: "excuse me.. I saw you and I knew If I didn't approach you I would kick myself in the a$$ later."
5- Internet dating - how to design your profile, what to say when you message girls, how to "close" and get the date.
6- Where to meet women? Which are the top places to meet, and go for a date. I.e. date 1 my "go-to" are either a coffee shop, or a bar..
7- How to get over performance anxiety
8- Elaborating on the difference between being a nice guy and a push over
9 - Some science on why women are genetically attracted to certain physical and mental traits in men. i.e. Women are attracted to taller men, why is this and what can you do as a shorter man to attract women..
10 - General tips from my experiences - confidence tips, getting over rejection, the golden rule "the one with the most rejections is the one who walks away with the most numbers."
-the rule of how you don't stop talking to other girls after you meet a girl and go on 2-3 dates because you never know if she'll turn out to be great or terrible!

I am just skimming the surface here, but I wanted to give a rough outline of what I would be providing. Some say the market is saturated, but I haven't seen too many video courses like this- atleast not advertised.. And even if the market is saturated that doesn't mean there isn't still a big NEED for this type of info.. I would have killed for this info when I was younger (heck I bought every pick-up book there was)

But, is there a need for this for a paying audience or is too much content out there for free?

 

[Utopia]

I think you need to go find your audience and test this to see if it is something they will actually pay for.

Assumptions may lead you in the direction of trying this, but creating a whole video course, etc. and then hoping that people will buy has the potential of hurting a lot more than if you just test to see if people will buy what you are offering.

Take view points here on the content with a grain of salt, what really matters is the buyers and what they want. IE what they will pay for.

 

[KLaw]

which teaches men aged 15-35 how to approach women, how to talk to women,

So, would you have different "advice" for different age groups?

I would have killed for this info when I was younger (heck I bought every pick-up book there was)

I would say based on the above quote, you are not qualified to give advice to the younger group. You have no successful experience with this group. Do you honestly think a 35 year old wants the same thing as a 24 year old? Maybe they do. Maybe they dont. You don't know because you weren't very successful at that age.
Overall personal opinion about this sort of advice is it's stupid and nobody will buy. Imo. Good luck.

 

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[Ninjakid]

I would be cautious selling "pick up" of any sort to 15 year olds...

Just sayin'

 

[RogueInnovation]

How to be a good husband, and build supportive relationships that last...why is nobody ever selling this course?

Cuz it is hard

Does anyone not see the irony of this on a forum called "the fastlane" (to money, riches, and presumably interpersonal growth)
Why not write a book on being a great and hard worker who just loves getting up each day to go to a nine to five? JK, I know its not the same cuz a supportive relationship is the best

Btw, I think relationships are much much harder than it is sold in the movies
It does take personal development and a lot of it, just like being an entrepreneur, and even then there are no gaurantees so you have to make sure your growth in itself is worth the work itself

I think settling down with the right person is almost everyones goal, and much harder than any other thing in life


Btw, OP the course sounds kinda terrible and just a rip off of things already out there
Hollow
A trivial course and a rip off at 100 bucks