actually as a 21yo male, sex for a 9-5 doesnt sound too bad....

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I think wage stagnation has gone on long enough society has got to the point just before Ford, where doubling wages and halving hours of workers made economic sense. We only have 8 because hours were halved, and that was eventually the only way wnybify could compete with Ford.

I don't know of any company adopting a 20 hour work week though. There is no latter day Ford.

 

If you ever watch an interview with a pornstar, they will tell you otherwise.

 

Freelancers are in an even better position to force the change. Why work 40 hours for 40k when you can work 20 hours for 40k? Have control set your own hours.

There is kind of this notion that 40 hours is full time work, what happens if 75% of the population decides to adopt the 21 hour a week movement?

I read 25% is the number needed for social change,so watching the stats of part timers by choice (inc freelancers) would give an idea of how close you are. Depending on your age, you might be at the wrong time or the right time for death of the 9 to 5 for the majority.

You can fastlane for time rather than money. My money tree fruit is time.

Oh and I spoke to one developer who moved from Palo Alto to Utah (I'm not sure how hard that is) for a pay cut and a 10 to 2 job. Yes that's slow lane but the agency seems to have a lot of demand.

Part time doesn't seem to have the popularity with employers on the US it does in Europe . I wonder how much of the skills shortage is because employers don't offer that and people can slow lane freelance and just work those hours instead.

 

There common in Europe though. I'd say just about everyone who wants to be part time is part time. Some people who don't want to be part time are because it's easier to get a 10 hour job than a 40 hour job

 

Yes it comes up a lot As culture shock suffered by US expats. It's also how some of the European start-ups try to compete with silicon valley for talent they can't offer top notch money. However 28 days pto on your first year, seems to be a draw. (An example given by someone of why left the US for Berlin)

 

Well, it might if your hiring employees for your fastlane company? This is in off topic, so it seems like a what might happen would fit.

Also a change like that could open up fastlane options.

 

That is interesting what you wrote.

I read people that are close to 'robot jobs' and they say it won't happen. Robots won't 'take over' and there will be no universal income for everyone (not going into details).

Another one is that there might be a problem with maintaining current manufacturing jobs/companies e.g. in Europe because there aren't enough people born to replace those who run the factories now (look at Sweden). Not to mention popularity of sociology degree over 'dirty' engineering degree...

Definitely there will be changes but some of them not exactly how we imagine...

But I agree 120%. It's ridiculous that today, with the internet, and all these tools, we work the same way Henry Ford developed it over a hundred years ago... It's insanity in it's purest form...

 

Possibly starting to drift off topic. However 11 hours is now the same production as 40 in 1950

Productivity and the Workweek - shorter hours

If we had kept the same levels of productivity and reduced hours, then we would be on 11 hour work weeks. With a possible drop in unemployment if we had decided to keep the companies going 40 hours a week then the Jetsons four hour day is not far off the mark (since the wife didn't work) George was doing two full time jobs in his society, no wonder he complained so much!

Interesting but perhaps irrelevant until your looking for employees.

 

MJ writes about the current Scripted phenomena in his book UnScripted.

You see, once upon a time men who could not pay a debt became a slave to the one whom they owed a debt to. They would then settle the debt through years of indentured service to their master. You can read about this in the book The Richest Man in Babylon.

Nowadays, we are taught from a young age to be consumers and we voluntarily agree to be slaves to our masters. The system is designed to create lifelong slaves who makes just enough to spend it on so-called leisure, providing the appearance of freedom.

Henry Ford is said to have had a hand in the 40 hour work week. Prior to 5 day work week, people used to work 6 days. Henry Ford stated that “It is high time to rid ourselves of the notion that leisure for workmen is either ‘lost time’ or a class privilege.” See Ford factory workers get 40-hour week - May 01, 1926 - HISTORY.com From that statement, you would think Ford was looking out for the best interest of the workers.

But guess what was really at the heart of Ford's move to the 40 hour work week? Here is what Ford's motivation was for the 40 hour workweek. "The harder we crowd business for time, the more efficient it becomes. The more well-paid leisure workmen get, the greater become their wants. These wants soon become needs. Well-managed business pays high wages and sells at low prices. Its workmen have the leisure to enjoy life and the wherewithal with which to finance that enjoyment." And then, "But it is the influence of leisure on consumption which makes the short day and, the short week so necessary. The people who consume the bulk of goods are the people who make them. That is a fact we must never forget -- that is the secret of our prosperity." HENRY FORD: Why I Favor Five Days' Work With Six Days' Pay - Wikisource, the free online library

It is all about the bottom line and how to make men work harder, consume more and become more and more entrenched in the Scripted path. It is the path of modern day slavery.

 

I'm with you!! lol I'm almost 53 but I was going to say..... hold up here now....

Actually, I work way more than 8 hours but since I am the boss and I can do what I want, when I want..... I love it! Now if someone told me I had to be there at 9am every morning like my wife has to be..... couldn't do it. Now speaking of my wife and this conversation...... she is a 9-5er. She loves being there and she sometimes stays late. She works in one of the highest class art museums in the world. Before she met me they say it was hard to make her leave work. So there are people that do like it..... just not me or you. I'd have a hard time being there at 9am and leave at 10am. I'm sure I'd call in sick atleast a few times a month. lol

 

We humans seem to be our own worst enemies. Like Oscar Wilde states, "We are each our own devil, and we make this world our hell."

I doubt Ford would be as open and honest today. With the internet, such a diabolical scheme would quickly be attacked as the charade that it is. In his day and age, he was probably giving that confession to his peers, not to the general public. And since guys like Rockefeller owned the press, it was never going to leak to the general populace, unless framed as benevolence.

 

I live in Northern Idaho, so I have a better chance at this than most. Have to convince the wife though. Tough sell.

 

I remember reading that section for the first time. It was crazy because it was at the same time I was gorging myself on John Taylor Gatto YouTube videos. Gatto is constantly pounding the table about how Ford and his boys (Rockefeller, Carnegie, et al) set education up to benefit the uber wealthy.