How to EMBARRASS yourself - Don't be this guy

[rwhyan]

Reposting this for emphasis as I wanted to make sure you all didn’t skip past this simple sentence.

Look beyond the surface.

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That doesn’t matter. Read for content. Let credential come from wisdom, not resume.

I thought credentials/resume don't matter

 

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[BaraQueenbee]

WTF WTF WTF I watched some parts of the video in the link above, I can't believe there exists this sort of thing! Not sure if it's a troll website but I had to close the browser halfway watching the guy explain the stuff, it's so funny I can't stop LMAO LOL



EDIT: Just watched it again, it's really creepy when he said "For example, if you're in Singapore", and I wonder it's some coincidence or the video can determine the viewer's geographical location and the content changes accordingly lol....

Not sure about this specific one, but yes there are several courses out there who teach how to exploit women for sex work while you, as a male pimp, do the bare minimum/nothing.

Apparently they don't break any laws. But being your own sex-business has become illegal.
Funny huh? Like, mega mind-blowing.
I laugh too, but I kind of wanna cry because it's dangerous as F*ck. LOL

 

[Vigilante]

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Y’all seem to want to debate. I’m not into the semantics or splitting hairs.

The original post was awesome, as is the intent of the poster. If you don’t like it that’s ok. Roll on. She’s been gone from here a long time, and my guess is the negativity will put her back in the shadows. I for one appreciate the diversity and wish we had more gals posting here. Y’all could’ve sat back and just learned something.

And for the record I find investing in the betterment of societally disadvantaged/rejected people to be highly noble. People intrigue me that are interested in helping others. I find value in people who do... what many won’t to help someone up out of the gutter. Most people just look away and walk past.

Do you?

 

[Kevin88660]

I had a large Asian manufacturer contact me at the consumer electronics show. They wanted to meet. We met.

Their proposal? I become their US sales marketing distribution and customer service. We promote their brand and build them into number one market share in the United States. At the end of the day, they still own the brand.

Their next question was how much money was I willing to invest in my distribution of their products?

My answer surprised them. They could pay me a tremendous retainer while floating inventory in here on consignment terms, and a reasonable split on the margin.

Aside from that, why wouldn’t I just build my own brand without them? I need them 0% and they need me 100%.

Their initial proposal was faulty and worthy of nothing but

Hahahahaha.

Beware of some old Asian Businese men. They like throw sucker deals to young people to test their ignorance.

So far I have encounter some of them and their routine is follow.

1)Sell you a vision how great the business and market is
2) Praise you (nice words)
3) Then comes the sucker deal. Propose a deal that give them maximum upside and leave the downside to you.

 

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[rwhyan]

Y’all seem to want to debate. I’m not into the semantics or splitting hairs.

The original post was awesome, as is the intent of the poster. If you don’t like it that’s ok. Roll on. She’s been gone from here a long time, and my guess is the negativity will put her back in the shadows. I for one appreciate the diversity and wish we had more gals posting here. Y’all could’ve sat back and just learned something.

I'm not debating just for the sake of debating, Vigilante.

I don't have a problem with her message and I agree that it is awesome to have more female posters on the forum. The more perspectives and backgrounds the better!

And as I understand the situation with "Brad" better, things make more sense now.

I still hold my view on her delivery of the message, but let bygones be bygones. I understand that with diversity comes people who will tell their message in different ways.

But I don't like it, and I'm going to voice that dislike, because I love this forum.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Sometimes we forget that many cultures around the world post here, not withstanding a native language that translates into English. Things will not always be perceived accurately based on a # of factors, the receiver/sender/culture/translation -- that's a lot of variables.

 

[Ninjakid]

Agree with this! Being born and raised in East Europe, also have lived in the US, and now here in the Netherlands, you can really see the differences in communication. I am well aware this is speaking in generalizations, of course they come from a truth.

Americans: Well, you could go there, and maybe take a left. Yes. I think you should take a left. At this one place, that really feels nice. It as all these colors, and yeah. Maybe take a left. You'll love it there. Then after you keep going straight, enjoy the scenery and the nice weather, etc etc.

Dutch: Take a first left then straight on, second right.

To be fair, I think when you live in a country where everyone's packin' people tend to watch what they say

 

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[ExaltedLife]

What he should have done was built the website first so he had actual value to provide rather than theoretical. Although I'm personally biased against the industry in general, I agree that Brad is an epic loser.

 

[ExaltedLife]

If you are finding wisdom in his content we need to speak.

Lmfao

 

[ExaltedLife]

WTF WTF WTF I watched some parts of the video in the link above, I can't believe there exists this sort of thing! Not sure if it's a troll website but I had to close the browser halfway watching the guy explain the stuff, it's so funny I can't stop LMAO LOL

I couldn't even do 30 seconds, I just wanted to punch him in the face. That idiotic pushy sales tactic when his main selling tactic is vocal emphasis, like his listener is a two-year old who needs to be taught to listen - I catch it right away and it just grinds my gears. Or maybe because he's trying to persuade me to see the virtue of pimping.

You know what really grinds my gears?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q685Ko2DHDs

 

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[Raoul Duke]

Rather than seek understanding. It is easier to vilify and condemn people. Our experiences, greatly differentiates, from person to person. Like culture shock. If you, were, never exposed, to such elements. You have to be liar then.

 

[ExaltedLife]

Beware of some old Asian Businese men. They like throw sucker deals to young people to test their ignorance.

So far I have encounter some of them and their routine is follow.

1)Sell you a vision how great the business and market is
2) Praise you (nice words)
3) Then comes the sucker deal. Propose a deal that give them maximum upside and leave the downside to you.

Lol racism is an over generalization that's going to blind you to reality. Asian is a race. If it's a cultural thing, look at their nationality. Korean? Chinese? Japanese? Philipino? Cultural values can differ very widely across different Asian countries.

 

[ExaltedLife]

Rather than seek understanding. It is easier to vilify and condemn people. Our experiences, greatly differentiates, from person to person. Like culture shock. If you, were, never exposed, to such elements. You have to be liar then.

Could you be more specific?

 

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[Kevin88660]

Lol racism is an over generalization that's going to blind you to reality. Asian is a race. If it's a cultural thing, look at their nationality. Korean? Chinese? Japanese? Philipino? Cultural values can differ very widely across different Asian countries.

Well, I said some. In my experience I refer to ethnic Chinese small business owners aged 50 and above, based in Singapore and Malaysia (2nd/3rd generation immigrants). Those penny pinching millionaires.

 

[Kevin88660]

Not sure about this specific one, but yes there are several courses out there who teach how to exploit women for sex work while you, as a male pimp, do the bare minimum/nothing.

Apparently they don't break any laws. But being your own sex-business has become illegal.
Funny huh? Like, mega mind-blowing.
I laugh too, but I kind of wanna cry because it's dangerous as F*ck. LOL

I guess they don’t do nothing?

Advertising, hotel booking, arranging time slots, and faking loving messages. Someone to protect the girl if the client is crazy or violent.

In the online adult business the biggest problem in the industry is fake photo.

 

[BaraQueenbee]

Advertising, hotel booking, arranging time slots, and faking loving messages. Someone to protect the girl if the client is crazy or violent.

What you speak about is an agency/manager.

Not pimps.

In the online adult business the biggest problem in the industry is fake photo.

Would you elaborate on what this means?

 

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[Kevin88660]

What you speak about is an agency/manager.

Not pimps.




Would you elaborate on what this means?

What is the difference between agency managers and pimps? The client see an advertisement online. The client texts to the number. The number belongs to the “manager”. The manager continues to pretend to be the girl and discuss on pricing and timing. The client reaches the hotel and text the “manager”. The manager texts the girl to pick the client up. The clients got what he wants and left. The “manager” went in the room to collect part of the cash. Is that a manager or pimp?

In Asia a lot of higher end escort services are marketed online. The agency manager/pimp always use fake photos, that can be found on google using simple reverse image searches.

 

[BaraQueenbee]

What is the difference between agency managers and pimps? The client see an advertisement online. The client texts to the number. The number belongs to the “manager”. The manager continues to pretend to be the girl and discuss on pricing and timing. The client reaches the hotel and text the “manager”. The manager texts the girl to pick the client up. The clients got what he wants and left. The “manager” went in the room to collect part of the cash. Is that a manager or pimp?

In Asia a lot of higher end escort services are marketed online. The agency manager/pimp always use fake photos, that can be found on google using simple reverse image searches.

It sounds like you speak of a movie from the 80's.
Literally NOTHING what you described about agency/manager/(picking up money??) is how it goes in real life. At least, not on the western part of the globe (Europe and USA/Canada).

I can't speak for Asia.

 

[BaraQueenbee]

suckin dick isn't fastlane honey

That's why I am a Dominatrix specialized in humiliation, sissification, Financial Domination and verbal Small Penis humiliation.

Also, I have a lot of dick-sucking colleagues who would disagree with this (very unfriendly I might add) statement, and they have the mansions + passive income and receipts to proof it..... honey

Fastlane is about mindset, and taking your business to new levels. Maybe you can re-read TMF .... I'm sure you'll catch up....

 

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[Kevin88660]

It sounds like you speak of a movie from the 80's.
Literally NOTHING what you described about agency/manager/(picking up money??) is how it goes in real life. At least, not on the western part of the globe (Europe and USA/Canada).

I can't speak for Asia.

The model I described above is how the “online escorts” work here. In Singapore for example selling sex is legal but making money as a third party (pimp/brothel) is not. Therefore these third party agents remain invisible to the clients.

The online escorts usually are foreign girls holding tourist visas.

 

[Kevin88660]

suckin dick isn't fastlane honey

300 per hour is still much faster than most cubicle serfs.

 

[BaraQueenbee]

@Kevin88660

Gotcha.
Like I said, I can not speak for that part of the world nor its laws.

Often pimps are very troublesome, do not care about the girls nor their health or safety and usually take the biggest cut (outside of isolating them and violence), hence they are not legal.

Agencies are, and are regulated. So won't get away with "pimp" like behavior.
Again, speaking on behalf of this side of the planet!

 

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[Kevin88660]

@Kevin88660

Gotcha.
Like I said, I can not speak for that part of the world nor its laws.

Often pimps are very troublesome, do not care about the girls nor their health or safety and usually take the biggest cut (outside of isolating them and violence), hence they are not legal.

Agencies are, and are regulated. So won't get away with "pimp" like behavior.
Again, speaking on behalf of this side of the planet!

Interesting.

I have some questions.

Why do girls chose to go under agencies when direct marketing online is available?

Why do many girls resist kissing? For catching flu?

The girls who can mark themselves up are not necessarily more good looking. Whats the trick? Spend more money on packaging or marketing?

 

[BaraQueenbee]

Interesting.

I have some questions.

Why do girls chose to go under agencies when direct marketing online is available?

Why do many girls resist kissing? For catching flu?

The girls who can mark themselves up are not necessarily more good looking. Whats the trick? Spend more money on packaging or marketing?

I love that you're engaging.
Let me answer those:

Why agencies and no individual business:
Agencies take care of your admin, do your finances and taxes, often are registered as something vague/non harming for possible future job, agencies can keep you anonymous. Often they have their inner algorithm, meaning those who make the most get marketed the most. (This can be affected by many factors, not necessarily beauty/quality)
That makes the other side straight away the answer to why one would not choose for an agency but register as company.
Doing your own finances, getting ALL the money, seeing the efforts of the energy you put in.

Kissing: I have asked my lovely hooker friends this too, and they gave me a list:
- kissing is emotionally intimate (so for example lots of Girl-Friend-Experience-ladies sell this as a part of the experience.
- one can clear genitals, but its harder to deal with a stinking mouth/bad breath.


The question about marking up CAN be different things. And I will use myself as an example.
I am not your average mainstream bimbo, however the energy and vibe I give off targets a rather smaller niche.
Personally I am specialized in some extreme fetishes (all consensual always). Key point being Extreme. Which makes it even more a niche. So I charge aaaaaallllooooooooooootttttt, since I have the experience and background to 100% make this a great experience. Also I can't be bothered with low-paying clients, because I value my time higher. My main selling point: I don't get undressed, I will never engage in any sexual activity. And clients pay for that idea. A female supremacist controlling them.

When it comes to my hooker friends: the price tag women use, AFFECT their sales.
One can be mega super (mainstream) sexy and lower their price, probably resulting in many sales.
Same person can high end their price. Have much less "sales" but due to its price difference they could end up the same. All has to do with personal preference (of the ladies) and how much time they are willing to put in.
Having a high price does something to clients. They start craving it. There is a chase/working to get it. And a different form of appreciation.

Hope this makes any sense for you...

 

[Jonathan Hoch]

I agree with OP, the dude was a tool.

I also agree that it's cringeworthy hearing him rep the community, while being so blatantly bad at the concepts.

Those who are sticking up for his "attempt to hustle" should rethink your position.

The entire TFLM teachings boil down to = "provide great value and you will be reciprocated with great money."

He didn't provide anything of value, other than some diluted bullshit where as an UNKNOWN ENTITY, openly plans on exploiting her efforts to take more money from her than she would already earn.


@BaraQueenbee how would you have responded to something like the example below?

"Hi Mercedes,

I have built a somewhat new platform in your industry. Through hard work and great relationship building with talent like yourself, we are already reaching xxx,xxx to xx,xxx,xxx viewers per month.

As you are already an industry leader, we would love to work on an opportunity to help grow your status to even greater levels by putting you in front of people that might not have known about you beforehand.

And I won't lie, it'll help my platform to continue to grow as well. I understand that I need you more than you need me, which is why I would like to offer a 90/10 split in all profit.

I have a few ideas for monetizing, but would love to talk strategy if you're interested.

Would you like to talk further?

Thanks,
Random Value-adding Dbag."

 

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[Kevin88660]

I love that you're engaging.
Let me answer those:

Why agencies and no individual business:
Agencies take care of your admin, do your finances and taxes, often are registered as something vague/non harming for possible future job, agencies can keep you anonymous. Often they have their inner algorithm, meaning those who make the most get marketed the most. (This can be affected by many factors, not necessarily beauty/quality)
That makes the other side straight away the answer to why one would not choose for an agency but register as company.
Doing your own finances, getting ALL the money, seeing the efforts of the energy you put in.

Kissing: I have asked my lovely hooker friends this too, and they gave me a list:
- kissing is emotionally intimate (so for example lots of Girl-Friend-Experience-ladies sell this as a part of the experience.
- one can clear genitals, but its harder to deal with a stinking mouth/bad breath.


The question about marking up CAN be different things. And I will use myself as an example.
I am not your average mainstream bimbo, however the energy and vibe I give off targets a rather smaller niche.
Personally I am specialized in some extreme fetishes (all consensual always). Key point being Extreme. Which makes it even more a niche. So I charge aaaaaallllooooooooooootttttt, since I have the experience and background to 100% make this a great experience. Also I can't be bothered with low-paying clients, because I value my time higher. My main selling point: I don't get undressed, I will never engage in any sexual activity. And clients pay for that idea. A female supremacist controlling them.

When it comes to my hooker friends: the price tag women use, AFFECT their sales.
One can be mega super (mainstream) sexy and lower their price, probably resulting in many sales.
Same person can high end their price. Have much less "sales" but due to its price difference they could end up the same. All has to do with personal preference (of the ladies) and how much time they are willing to put in.
Having a high price does something to clients. They start craving it. There is a chase/working to get it. And a different form of appreciation.

Hope this makes any sense for you...

Thanks for your detailed reply. It is enlightening.

 

[Scot]

Sometimes we forget that many cultures around the world post here, not withstanding a native language that translates into English. Things will not always be perceived accurately based on a # of factors, the receiver/sender/culture/translation -- that's a lot of variables.

I think it was less of a cultural disconnect as it was that the OP was missing a LOT of context/backstory. I’m guessing Bara has been absent a while, because I honestly hadn’t run across her in the 3 years I’ve been here on the forum and didn’t know her profession/business.

Add to that I’m sure most of the early respondents had no idea this guy was trying to start and illegal sleazy porn site.

But thankfully @BaraQueenbee has done great job clarifying, but also answering all the responses with finesse and grace.

 

[BaraQueenbee]

I agree with OP, the dude was a tool.

I also agree that it's cringeworthy hearing him rep the community, while being so blatantly bad at the concepts.

Those who are sticking up for his "attempt to hustle" should rethink your position.

The entire TFLM teachings boil down to = "provide great value and you will be reciprocated with great money."

He didn't provide anything of value, other than some diluted bullshit where as an UNKNOWN ENTITY, openly plans on exploiting her efforts to take more money from her than she would already earn.


@BaraQueenbee how would you have responded to something like the example below?

"Hi Mercedes,

I have built a somewhat new platform in your industry. Through hard work and great relationship building with talent like yourself, we are already reaching xxx,xxx to xx,xxx,xxx viewers per month.

As you are already an industry leader, we would love to work on an opportunity to help grow your status to even greater levels by putting you in front of people that might not have known about you beforehand.

And I won't lie, it'll help my platform to continue to grow as well. I understand that I need you more than you need me, which is why I would like to offer a 90/10 split in all profit.

I have a few ideas for monetizing, but would love to talk strategy if you're interested.

Would you like to talk further?

Thanks,
Random Value-adding Dbag."

I like how you took this spin

My reply would have been (assuming they have been around for a while and I can tell by google/and their social media):

That sounds cool! What payment methods are yall using since SESTA/FOSTA?
Where did y'all have your servers?
Can you send me some graphic on your customers traffic and details?

Regards,
SM

 

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[Mattie]

Gotcha.
Like I said, I can not speak for that part of the world nor its laws.

Often pimps are very troublesome, do not care about the girls nor their health or safety and usually take the biggest cut (outside of isolating them and violence), hence they are not legal.

Agencies are, and are regulated. So won't get away with "pimp" like behavior.
Again, speaking on behalf of this side of the planet!

I think just from being an Expat and merging into your culture, those from America really can't comprehend the experience over here, for they would have to go through a lot of psychological transformation. This is more of a Matriarchy Culture, where I come from a more Patriarchy Culture.

It's kind of the saying if you're in the middle of living in something, you can't see clearly how you're conditioned to believe a certain way about food, clothing, finances, entrepreneurship, advertising, marketing, communications, and relationships.

I can say the Netherlands is sometimes experts in some areas where other cultures are not, and are often called in for believe it or not creating healthier sexual education courses for teens and children to have a better perspective and not being shocked or polarized by certain things in society or feel bad about themselves as the feminine.

Also even if you look at some of the Entrepreneur Companies they are getting some Media Press in competing with Silicone Valley.

This culture is quite diplomatic at times, tolerant, patient, and yet helps the world become more peaceful, non-violent, and as you stated regulates sex workers and quite aware of the issues with physical and emotional health from the research I've done.

American's sometimes romanticize, "Amsterdam", and believe it's all about "Sex" and "Pot". Every American Male's fantasy. Although, this isn't exactly the way everyone lives in the Netherlands.

Just for an example: I lived by this town, Holland, Michigan and they taught us my whole life Dutch people wear dutch shoes, old school clothing, dance in the streets, eat certain foods, and even have their tulip garden, and celebrate the Dutch Heritage of the Netherlands.

Fortunately, it's so far off from the real experience of the Netherlands in the Modern Era. They see on social media a glimpse, a snap shot, hear a few stories, but don't really spend time here, relate with others, get a good feel of the communities, or even see how what a different reality it is on this side of the world.

As right now you have what's called Carnival and this is just a fun experience itself.

You are far more educated on the topic, have a more healthier perspective because of your culture and basically teaching the world a different softer perspective in a sense, versus a more controlled and restrictive perspective.

While they might not like your strong femininity, this is what I've learned myself here. Be more assertive, speak up, and stand out from the crowd. I believe the feminine in America can learn a lot from the European women for we have been taught to be quiet in some regards. Not to say women don't speak their voice, but they are not as self-reliant, independent, and confident as here in some ways.

For I have learned a lot about the Dutch. Ha ha...hmm...just parties for example: You all stand around a small table, drink beer, eat snacks, and hold a conversation. Something more personal than the American way of sitting at a long table with chairs, where not everyone is included in the conversation.

You address and greet the children, feminine, masculine right away, and everyone introduces themselves in a friendly and polite manner.

Not to mention I have been reminded on etiquette since I've arrived. There is a preference of valuing self, valuing one another, and valuing materialism, and finances.

I believe some of this comes from WWII, where the community had hard times together, survived together, built their communities together, and while we've lost that in our culture. We forget in the consumerism, the materialism, and the wealth. I remember my grandfather's generation and how they too were about community, neighbors, and shared cake and coffee.

Today we live in a fear based reality in our culture, neighbors rarely say anything, and the communities aren't as necessarily strong as they used to be in different areas.

There's always the tea time with cake or cookies. And still everyone is close and included in the conversation.

When you walk on the sidewalk or down a trail everyone is polite and friendly, and perhaps have a conversation.

In my culture we walk by everyone, give them dirty looks, and hope no one says anything. lol

There is a huge difference in Hospitality even when you go to restaurants here.

I don't see the division of social classes here as much as I do in my culture.

I was speaking with some of the younger guys here, and they were even elaborating when they went to Las Vegas how they could see the difference in our culture just driving down the road and into the next town.

This is what is fascinating about going back home for a few months after I was here for five years. It was more a culture shock going home. For our culture loves being grumpy, stingy, staring at people for being positive and polite.

The environment seems more uplifting here, although I understand you have the same social issues and social problems, don't get me wrong, but they are handled quite differently.

I had to laugh a few times when I see domestic disputes where people were arguing. No one calls the police and allows things to be handled on their own. And I kept thinking this is probably good at times, because in our culture people run to someone else to solve their issues, their problems, are sue happy, call the police every time they argue, and don't know how to communicate effectively at home alone with business partners.

And while they might say it is Liberal here, there is still respect for planners, schedules, appointments, keeping the neighborhood, homes, gardens in tip top shape, clean, orderly. yet they are extremely creative with their homes, landscaping, fashion of clothes, hair styles, make-up, music, and you can see the diversity.

I believe I learned from the Dutch how to respect myself more as the feminine, be authentic to myself, and express myself out loud, where in my culture, the feminine is more limited, and expected to walk behind the masculine and submit.

I have grown to love Europe whether it's the U.K., the Dutch, Germany, Belgium, or other surrounding cultures. I have to say they have respected me more than I have in my own culture and taught me about love, generosity, hospitality, and so blessed to have had the experience to be here. And at the same time, I must teach some of this to my own culture and embrace the cultural diversity.

 

[Jonathan Hoch]

I like how you took this spin

My reply would have been (assuming they have been around for a while and I can tell by google/and their social media):

That sounds cool! What payment methods are yall using since SESTA/FOSTA?
Where did y'all have your servers?
Can you send me some graphic on your customers traffic and details?

Regards,
SM

As I expected, you would hint some details of the obstacles you are needing to overcome. All while providing an opportunity for me to figure out how each party can benefit!!

Of course, offering value wins again.

Thanks for coming back to rant. Some people need to hear this stuff!