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When you feel like life is not fair

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This is a cut and paste from a very old post. Something from a current post triggered this as a reminder. Sometimes we need reminders that we have it better than we think. Not everyone has the choices that we have...

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The main point of this thread is with regards to beggars. I agree with the general discussion that handing money over to people asking on the street is not the proper thing to do.

There are some people that just don't have the ability to sort life out. Even with handouts from the government. It is real difficult to even figure out a bus schedule. Daily activities that most of us take for granted are a major burden to them.

There are people that cannot figure out how to use a cell phone. Can't count money...

There is not a way to teach them how to function the way you and I do. They get left behind in life and society does not know how to deal with them.

Mental illness is easy to spot. People tend to stay away from them because they are unpredictable.

How do you help them?

I grew up in a poor area. I knew a guy that was tall, good looking, and had a pretty normal life. In his early teens, he developed a brain tumor. By the age of 18, he had gone through a couple of brain surgeries and had lost one of his eyes. His mental capacity was now at about the level of an 8 year old.

Because of the brain problems, he was not able to use one side of his body very well. He dragged one of his feet when he walked. He was hideous to look at.

He had siezures regularly. Sometimes people would call the police because they did not know what was going on and he would end up in jail instead of the hospital. He once had a seizure in church and the police took him to jail from there. He was homeless and would sleep in old ratty motels or find abandoned houses.

His bitterness toward the world would get the best of him sometimes. He could not formulate sentences. He knew what he wanted to say but was unable to find words. People would give him a hard time due to his appearance and he would lash out... and end up in jail again.

He had a tender heart and a soul but the world was cruel to him. Everywhere he went, people would stare. He would get escorted out of restaurants and other public places.

He did not shower regulary. The coolness of the water would send him into siezures.

Through all this, he continued to maintain a life to the best of his ability. I helped him get an apartment. Everytime he moved, I helped him. When he needed something, I would help him get it. He did my yardwork for me. Even with his physical problems, he was strong as a bull.

When society did him an injustice, I would stand up for him.

He was always outdoors and in the sun. That did him in. He had a skin graft on his face that covered his eye socket. The graft was taken from the inside of his leg. He developed melanoma on that skin.

He slowly got weaker and was not able to move around very well. He never gave up hope. His family was informed. His sister showed up to visit him in the last couple days of his life.

I took him outside for a walk in a wheelchair. It was the last time that he saw daylight...

There were only five people at his funeral. Although he came from a large family, only one of his blood relatives attended. It was a sad life for him.

This is where my soft spot comes from. The feebleness of my efforts don't go very far these days.
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You are right, @SteveO

Not everyone has the chance to find a book called The Millionaire Fastlane (and eventually UNSCRIPTED ). No one has the chance to listen to the wisecrackings of the likes of @MidwestLandlord , @MustImprove, @Andy Black and @MJ DeMarco and many other veteran Fastlaners .

Not everyone has the willpower or health to work on a Fastlane, fighting against the strong currents of mediocrity.

Not everyone has the willingness to reorient our mindsets to produce more instead of consuming more.

Not everyone is going to have the time or health to go the extra mile. There are millions with loads of debt or family issues, who will never get rich, let alone live moderately.

Not everyone is going to get rich young. Or old. Or alive.

It's bad, right? To know that you or I could be one of those who might suffer a blow physically or mentally, and be permanently disabled, never to rise again.

NO. Let me repeat this. NO.
It's actually GOOD.

If not everyone is going to pursue the Fastlane, it's fine. In fact, it's good. That leaves less competition.
I would happily compete with 10 other businessmen who have working industry knowledge and good resources than 500 co-workers who just 'try to get by' in a cubicle workspace.
Besides, a small competition arena might end up becoming a friendly value-giving zone, where everyone co-exists and help each other out to get more gains. Google and Yahoo do fine with each other. McDonalds' and KFC don't have a spat. Although Uber and Grabcar has had the price war, they still co-exist. My country has numerous banks, and they work with each other well. Microsoft and Apple have certain software integrations.

While I symphatise with those who are less fortunate, we who have strength should do our best to do BETTER because we can.
 

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You are right, @SteveO

Not everyone has the chance to find a book called The Millionaire Fastlane (and eventually UNSCRIPTED ). No one has the chance to listen to the wisecrackings of the likes of @MidwestLandlord , @MustImprove, @Andy Black and @MJ DeMarco and many other veteran Fastlaners .

Not everyone has the willpower or health to work on a Fastlane, fighting against the strong currents of mediocrity.

Not everyone has the willingness to reorient our mindsets to produce more instead of consuming more.

Not everyone is going to have the time or health to go the extra mile. There are millions with loads of debt or family issues, who will never get rich, let alone live moderately.

Not everyone is going to get rich young. Or old. Or alive.

It's bad, right? To know that you or I could be one of those who might suffer a blow physically or mentally, and be permanently disabled, never to rise again.

NO. Let me repeat this. NO.
It's actually GOOD.

If not everyone is going to pursue the Fastlane, it's fine. In fact, it's good. That leaves less competition.
I would happily compete with 10 other businessmen who have working industry knowledge and good resources than 500 co-workers who just 'try to get by' in a cubicle workspace.
Besides, a small competition arena might end up becoming a friendly value-giving zone, where everyone co-exists and help each other out to get more gains. Google and Yahoo do fine with each other. McDonalds' and KFC don't have a spat. Although Uber and Grabcar has had the price war, they still co-exist. My country has numerous banks, and they work with each other well. Microsoft and Apple have certain software integrations.

While I symphatise with those who are less fortunate, we who have strength should do our best to do BETTER because we can.


one of the most difficult thing to accept in life is that nobody will save us and life is unfair

good people will die and traitors will live

life is definitely unfair

people say,

" but you know i have luck anyway because :


myd dog, my wife, my kids will save me

politicians will save me

God will save me

the aliens from space will save me

the lottery will save me "



maybe these people are right

but this has not been the case for me until now.

the only thing that will save me is knowledge

 
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one of the most difficult thing to accept in life is that nobody will save us and life is unfair

good people will die and traitors will live

life is definitely unfair

people say,

" but you know i have luck anyway because :


myd dog, my wife, my kids will save me

politicians will save me

God will save me

the aliens from space will save me

the lottery will save me "



maybe these people are right

but this has not been the case for me until now.

the only thing that will save me is knowledge
This read like Bukowski
and
I love Bukowski
 

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Thank you for sharing this @SteveO

I'm currently going through some stressful times and it's helpful in a way to be reminded that life could be so much more challenging.

When I was younger my mother was suffering from MS, a neurological disorder that made her part paralyzed.
I can imagine that experience was hard for her, I know it was for me.

Looking back, it amazes me to see what she and others are able to overcome, yet we often allow ourselves to suffer over small and petty things.

It's good to get some perspective every now and then.
Thanks for sharing.
 

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i don't know about him.

what's his main philosophy ?
Hah, whiskey, women, and pessimism touched with hope? Lol. He's not a good influence (in terms of Fastlane-style financial positivity), but he's got a great way with words imo, and is very comfortable looking at the dark side of things. One of America's best poets imho. I haven't read him much in a long time, but he had a big impact on me.

Also,
there

was something
about
the way you wrote

that really reminded me
of him.
 

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Thank you for sharing this @SteveO

I'm currently going through some stressful times and it's helpful in a way to be reminded that life could be so much more challenging.

When I was younger my mother was suffering from MS, a neurological disorder that made her part paralyzed.
I can imagine that experience was hard for her, I know it was for me.

Looking back, it amazes me to see what she and others are able to overcome, yet we often allow ourselves to suffer over small and petty things.

It's good to get some perspective every now and then.
Thanks for sharing.

thanks

by the way, a lot of suffering could be avoided in life just by having the right knowledge and the right attitude


i always talk with poor people in the street when they ask me money


i tell them " tell me about you. why are you here ?"


most of the time, these people have a bad attitude

some of them have been very unlucky in life . that's right. life in unfair as we said

we can pity these people

but the others are just morons . with the right atttude, they would have a life.


 

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1) but he had a big impact on me.

2) Also,
there

was something
about
the way you wrote

that really reminded me
of him.


1) that's the most important thing with reading : the book has an impact on you

2) ahah.. LOL thanks

yes , you have to have your own style

people won't remember you if you are a nobody like 95 % of people.

if you are a bit crazy or strange , people will remember you

the point is not to be loved but to be remembered : that's how power works anyway.
 
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Hah, whiskey, women, and pessimism touched with hope? Lol. He's not a good influence (in terms of Fastlane-style financial positivity), but he's got a great way with words imo, and is very comfortable looking at the dark side of things. One of America's best poets imho. I haven't read him much in a long time, but he had a big impact on me.

Also,
there

was something
about
the way you wrote

that really reminded me
of him.

Bukowski was a german born american author according to wikipedia

Charles Bukowski - Wikipedia

i like to read german authors. Nietszche, Karl otto schmidt and so on

these guys are very clever.

K O Schmidt talks a lot about our power against life's unfairness.
 

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Powerful story.
 

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Powerful story.
Thanks.

Some people on here know a bit of my back story but not much.

My mom was a schizophrenic. Probably the worst case I have ever seen. From my earliest memories it was obvious that she was bat-shit crazy. My dad could not handle it and bailed.

She did so many crazy things that my siblings and I were laughing stocks at school, church, sports, etc... Everyone knew us as a totally screwed up family.

My mom once ran around outside the house naked while busting out windows. We lived across the street from the school and everyone was just arriving for the day. That day became my first fight (2nd grade). A friend of mine taunted me in front of many others at recess. I chased him red faced and crying. He just ran and laughed.

Turns out that was the start of about 100 fights for me. I did not start them. I stood up for anyone being bullied and would jump in the middle. This of course included me and my siblings as we were the butt of many a joke.

This incident with my mom was one of MANY! I am surprised we were never taken away from her. In today's society we would have been gone in an instant. She spent many years of my childhood in Patton Mental Institution though.

We did not learn social graces, right/wrong, loving family life, or many of the normal things that are learned at home. An example, my mom did not know that it was not acceptable to sleep in her own body waste.

I left home at the age of 16 after being removed from school. Never went back.

Once I was stable, I took care of my mom and her affairs in adult life. This is where I met the person that the original story was about. My mom and him were two social outcasts that glommed on to each other.

I had many a sleepless night at mental health hospitals after they were picked up by police. They were kicked out of most apartments that they rented. I went to court to force my mom to take meds so she began to see me as an enemy. That was part of her illness though. She thought everyone was out to get her.

She was very caring about her kids and grandkids though. She would fill her house with nonsense items that nobody would want and expect me to distribute them. She would try to mail things but they would usually not reach the correct address. She would give all her money away so that I would end up paying her bills. I had to pay most of them anyway as she was not capable of the task. I don't know how much money she lost trying to send cash to incorrect addresses. It was a lot though.

I did take her to court and got conservatorship over her for a few years. While that worked fairly well, she never trusted me with her affairs. She thought she was plenty capable.

She knew enough to know that she was not normal but refused to admit it. She tried very hard to do everything herself but couldn't. I had to go over to her house on a regular basis to throw away rotten food before she ate it.

I tried many times to get her into care facilities. She fought that like it was ending her life. So, it never worked out.

My sister finally agreed to take care of her about 4 years ago. I was so thankful after dealing with all of her problems and affairs for 35 years. They went to every location that I moved to. That is, I found a place and moved them every time I moved (plus all the times they were booted).

He passed away a number of years ago and my mom passed about 2 years ago.

Talk about wasted, miserable lives...

This has defined my life and perceptions more than anything else. It was absolutely amazing how many people came into her life that wanted to help. They would usually end up trying to tell me what I needed to do. Ugh.

Other than that, I lived a very functioning and fulfilling life. :)
 

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Wow. I wrote that last post as a pure victim! I'm not though. Just simply a product of life. Please, no sad face emoticons. I got carried away and should have put a different spin on this. My mom and her friend were the victims. I was a concerned bystander.
 

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One of the most mysterious things about life is why things like this happen to people.

I believe behind all of the pain in life lies a spiritual significance and constant spiritual love.
 
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you were a F*cking saint @SteveO, that's what you were.
you were an awesome son and a loving human being.

i read many, many things you posted over the years. then i met you in person several summits back. you are a wonderful caring person that has special perspective because of what you have been through and the crazy experiences you have had. i've enjoyed and appreciated every moment i've gotten to spend with you or talk to you over the years! you make me laugh like no other.....

you will help and guide and mentor many people over your years and make the world a better place.
you, sir, are an inspiration to us all. :)

WWSteveOD bracelets .......
SteveO bio ........

someone on the forum looking for projects, we've got a made for hulu movie here......
 

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@SteveO Your post is the first on the forum that has brought tears to my eyes, because I understand.

My father in law was schizophrenic. He was a wonderful, gentle and caring person, and I loved him. Intermittently he was put in a mental institution for a short while, mainly to give my mother in law a break when he was manic.

I visited him in hospital, and just sat with him to give him friendly company, but it was torture for me, as well as for him, because the room was filled with people who, unlike him, were insane, and their cries and weird behavior were nerve-wracking. My presence gave him comfort. He didn't belong there.

He had the benefit of a loving family, who had been taught by their mother that their father was ill. She was a glowing example of patient endurance.

Unfortunately most people, even today have a medieval attitude to mental illness. Having gained an understanding of the subject, I finished up as a volunteer counselor who helped many; mostly ones suffering from Bipolar Disorder, which happens to be only a hair's breadth away from schizophrenia.

This led me to observe the terrible mistreatment that such people suffer. I believe most of the injustices done to such people result from ignorance.

People such as you and I can empathize with people suffering from disabilities because we have seen it close up, and the experience has not alienated us from those people, but has brought out an innate desire to help others.

Just as you described how caring your mother really was, it is amazing that I have found that almost every person suffering from Bipolar Disorder that I have counseled is, in their "normal" state kind, gentle, caring, and generous. I can only think of one exceptio encountered over 35 years of counseling.

As an aside, I would decribe Bipolar as actually tripolar - Depressed / Normal / Manic. Such people are usually extremely hard workers, but periods of depression or mania, however short, often cause them to lose their jobs.

I urge readers to try to understand these two mental illnesses for what they are: ILLNESS.

Diligent psychiatrists will as a first step after concluding that a patient suffers from Bipolar Disorder, arrange for a brain scan, because the patient might in fact have a brain tumor. A brain tumor can cause almost identical aberrant behavior as does Bipolar Disorder.

Everyone sympathizes with someone who has a brain tumor. They don't blame them for their bad behavior.

Walter
 

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The most inspiring story of this kind I know of is "The man with a shattered world" by Alexander Luria. Or perhaps the most painful one; I have tears every time I read a small piece of it. Luria was a Soviet psychologist. He worked with this patient, Lev Zasetsky, for more than two decades. The story is one of Zasetsky intertwined with his personal diary.

Zasetsky was born around 1920. He entered college for engineering and then World War II started. In 1943 during the battle of Smolensk he was shot in the head which caused irreparable brain damage.

Zasetsky lost half of his visual field and much of the body coordination. Even more so, he lost the perceptual and cognitive ability to connect pieces into whole. Two decades into his recovery and after thousands of hours of effort, guided by top specialists, he still needed minutes to read a single sentence. Simple instructions such as "go and bring the pickle jar" remained a puzzle to him that he could only untangle after some 10-15 minutes and dozens of repetitions.

Yet at the same time, his identity and his willpower — residing in the frontal lobes — stayed completely intact. His desire to recover and to become a useful member of society did not go away even two decades later. Through tremendous effort and over many years he was able to describe his condition in a very personal diary, which Luria frequently quotes, interspersing the patient's account with clinical remarks.
 
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@Walter Hay

Thanks for that. My mom was diagnosed with both. She never had a moment of clarity or normalization. Just the idea that she thought she could be normal with effort. When she went through the cycles, the normal and manic were unbearable.

Well, she actually did have a moment of clarity. She was in the nursing home waiting to die. All the while she was in there, we could not understand her words or make sense of them if we could. Three of her four children were there on her birthday. Somehow, she talked coherently and clearly for the day. We all had a good time and ate cake and ice cream. She was very happy that night. She passed two days later. Weird. A moment of clarity...

You were very generous to give so many years of dedication to the needy. I never did that. I do however watch for them in the shadows. They are not the ones out on the corners begging for money. They are frequently hiding. Since I was so close, it is easy to recognize. I will talk to them and give them money.

I was at an event a couple years ago with some friends. There was a man walking down the street that was very angry and yelling at imaginary people. My friends all went inside and locked our door. I went over and talked to him. Asked if he was ok or if he needed anything. He quieted down and told me he was fine.

Up in Seaside, Or. I was with the same group of people (team running race). We passed a homeless person on the boardwalk that identified as a preacher. I offered him some money and he said no. I said that I would gladly pay for a picture with a preacher. That he accepted. 2015-08-27 17.42.30.jpg
 
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Zasetsky lost half of his visual field and much of the body coordination. Even more so, he lost the perceptual and cognitive ability to connect pieces into whole.
This sounds a lot like Harvey. He was able to follow simple instructions but he lost half his vision and half of his body function. He was left with limited strength on his right side. He was definitely unable to form cohesive sentences and could barely think of names of objects.

He had brain surgery to remove a tumor. They took a big chunk of his face and brain along with his eye to accomplish it.
 
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It's stories like this that remind me to at least try not to be egotistical in life and just to chill out an enjoy the moment.

Once in a blue i get sad cause i think about how some people had a great life their whole 20's while i toiled away trying to build something, but then i read a story like yours about a guy who should have had everything but the universe seemingly screwed him over, and i feel shame for complaining about my life.

I think that's where the Tao balance comes from, you don't have to settle for less but don't discount the good that does exist in your life already.
 

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Just think...this guy had NO HOPE of a better life.

He was dealt a truly awful hand and had no choice but to play it.

There is ALWAYS someone who would trade lives with you in a heartbeat, so you best damn take advantage of yours.

STOP. MAKING. EXCUSES.
 

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Just think...this guy had NO HOPE of a better life.

He was dealt a truly awful hand and had no choice but to play it.

There is ALWAYS someone who would trade lives with you in a heartbeat, so you best damn take advantage of yours.

STOP. MAKING. EXCUSES.
Agree with your thoughts. But... He realized where he was in life and had come to grips. His goals were to avoid going to jail and get free coke refills. Although he had a limited menu, he loved to cook. Not once did he ever complain about his life that I heard. From my observations, he was happier in life than MANY on this forum.
 
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Agree with your thoughts. But... He realized where he was in life and had come to grips. His goal was to avoid going to jail and get free coke refills. Although he had a limited menu, he loved to cook. Not once did he ever complain about his life that I heard. From my observations, he was happier in life than MANY on this forum.

The relativity of happiness still blows my mind.
 

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I was at an event a couple years ago with some friends. There was a man walking down the street that was very angry and yelling at imaginary people. My friends all went inside and locked our door. I went over and talked to him. Asked if he was ok or if he needed anything. He quieted down and told me he was fine.
I suppose you know how dangerous that situation could have proven to be, but I admire the way you dealt with it. Too many people shun the poor, the sad, and the troubled.

Years ago I was the doorman at a Bible seminar when I was approached by a hobo asking for a light for his cigarette. I had none but offered to find someone who could oblige, but he was enraged, and swore at me as he swung his satchel at my head. Fortunately my reactions were quick and I dodged the bag full of bottles.

He overbalanced and fell to ground accompanied by the sound of bottles clinking in his bag. I helped him up and he went his way muttering. Whenever I was doorman at such events I welcomed equally the well dressed ones and the smelly, bedraggled ones attracted by the prospect of somewhere warm to sit on a cold day.

One of those smelly ones took an interest in the proceedings, and after many discussions with me over a long period he decided that what my little group was proclaiming was of value to him. His life turned around. After 20 years I still see him occasionally, and he dresses reasonably well and doesn't smell. :smile: We are the best of friends.

Walter
 

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