Should I go into Web designing or copywriting?

[Cojo]

I am having a hard time picking which one to go with.

Any time I face some obstacle, I fall back to the next one. But now I want to stick to one.

So which one would be the best to enter into?

 

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[MTF]

Copywriting because it'll teach you sales, creating offers, etc. Web design is an employee or a freelancer skill.

 

[Xeon]

AI will replace both.

 

[Lex DeVille]

AI will replace both.

Not anytime soon enough to make it not worth learning a skill.

 

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[Andy Black]

C) Google Ads.

 

[ZackerySprague]

C) Google Ads.

D) SEO

haha!

 

[Andy Black]

D) SEO

haha!

I’m curious. Why SEO ahead of Google Ads?

 

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[ZackerySprague]

I’m curious. Why SEO ahead of Google Ads?

I was joking. Google Ads all the way! I am a big fan of Google Ads preferrably.

 

[SDE]

It doesn't matter. Pick one and STICK WITH IT.

I decided to learn copywriting as a college kid in 2015 inspired by Lex's thread. Re-read the thread, read other copy books, articles but didn't do jack shit. Why? Because I felt resistance or 'obstacle', as you call it. I was dabbling. Then, I gave up.

2 years later, inspired by Fox's thread, I decided to learn web design. Signed up on codeacademy and half-assed with HTML. 10 days later I quit when I felt resistance/obstacle. I gave up.

I repeated this cycle almost 7 years.

Deciding to learn copy, quitting on the first instance of obstacle.
Deciding to learn web design, quitting on the first instance of obstacle.

In all these 7 years, I neither learned copy nor web design and am still the same person as I was 7 years ago.

If I had actually stuck with one of those instead of giving up easily, my life would have been 10X better.

So, pick one and STICK WITH IT.

Both are high value, money making skills. There are stories in this forum where people learned programming and quadrupled there income. They are on the path to creating their own software business. Same goes for copy.

You will definitely feel resistance or face an obstacle. It won't go away. When you feel it, take a break, go out, get some air, go for a walk and come back. Repeat this. This is what I am doing now and it helps.

And, no matter what you pick, don't think of yourself as a web designer or copywriter. Rather, think yourself as a problem solver.

You are a problem solver using code/copy to solve a business problem (increase revenue or reduce cost). This is who you are, a problem solver. When you adopt this mindset, no AI can replace you.

I recommend giving this a read: GOLD! - MINDSET - Save Yourself Years Of Frustration; It Worked For Me!

 

[Prince33]

What you pick isn't the real challenge. You can make money(but really should be thinking of how to provide value/slove problems) with either of those. As you can with ecommerce, as you can with video editing.

The real challenge is picking one, failing, losing money, and failing again and again and again until you hit. MTFs avatar represents 80% of people perfectly.

I too gave up over and over again on things. Including my hobbies. Now I look back 4 years and know for a fact if I even worked on it 20% consistently it would have taken off.

Best way I can explain this is it's like getting married. You're gonna get bored and its mostly gonna suck. But unlike marriage you are guaranteed happiness at the end if you keep at it, and it only gets better as time goes on.

Edit: Lex & Fox respectively teach these two extensively. And from watching/researching both either way it is going to be a lot of work. Like a lot of work. Id say be prepared to spend a year on this before seeing any life changing results.

 

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[Lex DeVille]

Choose to be an entrepreneur.

Any time I face some obstacle, I fall back to the next one. But now I want to stick to one.

Learning a skill won't solve this problem. Becoming a problem-solver will.

I chose copywriting. I learned web design, branding, email marketing, sales funnels, webinars, live sales...

The skill you start with doesn't matter.

@Fox chose web design. He learned copywriting, branding, email marketing, sales funnels, webinars, live sales....

Eventually, you are forced to learn what you need to know to solve the problems you have in your business.

What kind of business do you want? What stands in your way of that? Is it really lack of a skill? Or is it a problem with quitting? If it's the latter, how will you solve that? How can you? How else can you? Ask yourself these questions. Answer them for yourself too.

 

[Cojo]

Copywriting because it'll teach you sales, creating offers, etc. Web design is an employee or a freelancer skill.

Well I want to go into freelancing for now and won't it be possible to combine both?

 

[Cojo]

C) Google Ads.

How to go into it?

 

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[Cojo]

It doesn't matter. Pick one and STICK WITH IT.

I decided to learn copywriting as a college kid in 2015 inspired by Lex's thread. Re-read the thread, read other copy books, articles but didn't do jack shit. Why? Because I felt resistance or 'obstacle', as you call it. I was dabbling. Then, I gave up.

2 years later, inspired by Fox's thread, I decided to learn web design. Signed up on codeacademy and half-assed with HTML. 10 days later I quit when I felt resistance/obstacle. I gave up.

I repeated this cycle almost 7 years.

Deciding to learn copy, quitting on the first instance of obstacle.
Deciding to learn web design, quitting on the first instance of obstacle.

In all these 7 years, I neither learned copy nor web design and am still the same person as I was 7 years ago.

If I had actually stuck with one of those instead of giving up easily, my life would have been 10X better.

So, pick one and STICK WITH IT.

Both are high value, money making skills. There are stories in this forum where people learned programming and quadrupled there income. They are on the path to creating their own software business. Same goes for copy.

You will definitely feel resistance or face an obstacle. It won't go away. When you feel it, take a break, go out, get some air, go for a walk and come back. Repeat this. This is what I am doing now and it helps.

And, no matter what you pick, don't think of yourself as a web designer or copywriter. Rather, think yourself as a problem solver.

You are a problem solver using code/copy to solve a business problem (increase revenue or reduce cost). This is who you are, a problem solver. When you adopt this mindset, no AI can replace you.

I recommend giving this a read: GOLD! - MINDSET - Save Yourself Years Of Frustration; It Worked For Me!

Thanks for the advice

 

[Cojo]

Choose to be an entrepreneur.

Learning a skill won't solve this problem. Becoming a problem-solver will.

I chose copywriting. I learned web design, branding, email marketing, sales funnels, webinars, live sales...

The skill you start with doesn't matter.

@Fox chose web design. He learned copywriting, branding, email marketing, sales funnels, webinars, live sales....

Eventually, you are forced to learn what you need to know to solve the problems you have in your business.

What kind of business do you want? What stands in your way of that? Is it really lack of a skill? Or is it a problem with quitting? If it's the latter, how will you solve that? How can you? How else can you? Ask yourself these questions. Answer them for yourself too.

Thanks . I know what I will do now. How do I learn to be a better problem solver tho

 

[Lex DeVille]

Thanks . I know what I will do now. How do I learn to be a better problem solver tho

If I have to tell you, then you will never know.

 

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[heavy_industry]

How do I learn to be a better problem solver tho

By solving your problems and then solving other people's problems.

 

[Prince33]

Thanks . I know what I will do now. How do I learn to be a better problem solver tho

MJ's unscripted and his latest book has a whooooole story on how to identify and solve problems.

 

[Andy Black]

How to go into it?

Tell family and friends you’re getting into Google Ads and ask if they know anyone who might need help. Maybe someone will raise their hand. Else offer to do Google Ads for someone you already know.

Get your first free client who’s prepared to pay $10/day in ad spend for the first month.

Learn as you go. I’ve a lot of free content linked to in my signature, and there’s any number of tutorials on YouTube.

 

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[Cojo]

Tell family and friends you’re getting into Google Ads and ask if they know anyone who might need help. Maybe someone will raise their hand. Else offer to do Google Ads for someone you already know.

They already know I am into web design and I barely got any work from there. I did create a 2 websites for my uncle but the pay for very low. First was $25 and the other was $37 (I have only been paid $12). So my area won't be helpful for these kind of businesses.

 

[Andy Black]

They already know I am into web design and I barely got any work from there. I did create a 2 websites for my uncle but the pay for very low. First was $25 and the other was $37 (I have only been paid $12). So my area won't be helpful for these kind of businesses.

So you got to create two websites when you reached out to your network. Great.

At a guess you’ll not get any takers for Google Ads help, but what’s the best that could happen if you tried?

Part of the reason I like Google Ads is the person you’ll help will also be committed. They’ll spend the money on the ads. You’ll spend your time.

 

[Prince33]

So you got to create two websites when you reached out to your network. Great.

At a guess you’ll not get any takers for Google Ads help, but what’s the best that could happen if you tried?

Part of the reason I like Google Ads is the person you’ll help will also be committed. They’ll spend the money on the ads. You’ll spend your time.

Hey Andy, can you elaborate on the connection between copywriting and google ads specifically? How would the two intertwine?

Let's say me and Clinton both have the same client.
I specialize in Google Ads.
He in Copywriting.
He pays us both.
If we collab how could we make it even better for the client?

@Andy Black
I assume this would be good ole fashion SEO by this point in general.
The client says:
"I want to sell my Hello Kitty plushies/crafts to a young audience. And increase visibility on search engines."

 

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[Angler]

You’re going to see that the skills are interconnected.

To build a good website, unless you’re looking to delegate copywriting, you may want to learn it yourself.

Just for fun say screw it, you prefer to delegate.

Then consider, if you haven’t learn what good copywriting look like and put in due diligence, how will you know your delegation is effective? Will you also delegate due diligence?

Say copywriting isn’t enough because a website with good copy is like a flier. People stumble upon it every now and then AND BUY but the traffic is NOT reliable.

You may want an organic way to push the flier to people so you look into SEO.

But of course SEO takes a bit of time to set up and rank on Google.

You may want to consider Google ads because it can get you leads much quicker than SEO…

Why push fliers when you can show up at their door step when they type a keyword?

Wouldn’t it much badass to be a person that solves problem and along the way you learn…

Copywriting.
Web design.
Google ads.
SEO.

Then you could charge more because you’re not just a web designer. A copywriter. An SEO specialist. You’re whatever they need you to be

You’re a person who can do multiple things to get more clients for the prospect depending on what they need. And that my friend. They will love you.

PS.

Two people who are specialists have replied to your thread. They’ve dropped gold bombs in their specific field on here for FREE!

Instead of asking how, go and read their threads. Most of your questions, if not potential headaches, will be answered just from reading what they’ve taken the time to write.

 

[Prince33]

You’re going to see that the skills are interconnected.

To build a good website, unless you’re looking to delegate copywriting, you may want to learn it yourself.

Just for fun say screw it, you prefer to delegate.

Then consider, if you haven’t learn what good copywriting look like and put in due diligence, how will you know your delegation is effective? Will you also delegate due diligence?

Say copywriting isn’t enough because a website with good copy is like a flier. People stumble upon it every now and then AND BUY but the traffic is NOT reliable.

You may want an organic way to push the flier to people so you look into SEO.

But of course SEO takes a bit of time to set up and rank on Google.

You may want to consider Google ads because it can get you leads much quicker than SEO…

Why push fliers when you can show up at their door step when they type a keyword?

Wouldn’t it much badass to be a person that solves problem and along the way you learn…

Copywriting.
Web design.
Google ads.
SEO.

Then you could charge more because you’re not just a web designer. A copywriter. An SEO specialist. You’re whatever they need you to be

You’re a person who can do multiple things to get more clients for the prospect depending on what they need. And that my friend. They will love you.

PS.

Two people who are specialists have replied to your thread. They’ve dropped gold bombs in their specific field on here for FREE!

Instead of asking how, go and read their threads. Most of your questions, if not potential headaches, will be answered just from reading what they’ve taken the time to write.

Exactly. Why I asked my question because I figured that it's all the same nieghborhood anyways. Even when you check out Fox's channel he talks about delivering what the client needs more than web design itself. And if you listen to Andy Blacks interviews he talks about delivering what the client wants and how to do that with Google Ads especially. But what are you running ads to? A website!

I made the mistake in the past thinking learning just one aspect of something was enough. I learned with Kindle publishing its way more than just one thing you gotta learn.

 

[Andy Black]

I made the mistake in the past thinking learning just one aspect of something was enough. I learned with Kindle publishing its way more than just one thing you gotta learn.

Try not to use the word learn/learning. You’re goal isn’t to learn.

“The market doesn’t pay for input.”
(Blaise Brosnan)

 

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[Andy Black]

Hey Andy, can you elaborate on the connection between copywriting and google ads specifically? How would the two intertwine?

Let's say me and Clinton both have the same client.
I specialize in Google Ads.
He in Copywriting.
He pays us both.
If we collab how could we make it even better for the client?

@Andy Black
I assume this would be good ole fashion SEO by this point in general.
The client says:
"I want to sell my Hello Kitty plushies/crafts to a young audience. And increase visibility on search engines."

Google Ads is copywriting super simplified. Find out what someone wants. Put it in the ad. Put it in the landing page. Add more content if you can get visitors but they don’t take action.

 

[Fox]

Massive overlap between both copywriting and web design.

If you don’t like one it wouldn’t be hard to switch to the other.

So just get started and adjust as you go.

 

[Stargazer]

Is there a particular reason you need to go into any of these two things?

Dan

 

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[Cojo]

Massive overlap between both copywriting and web design.

If you don’t like one it wouldn’t be hard to switch to the other.

So just get started and adjust as you go.

Thanks, already started

The problem I am facing is always thinking about the goal and not the process which makes me give up and switch easily.

So now I'm going to turn this into a habit.

 

[Cojo]

Is there a particular reason you need to go into any of these two things?

Dan

Well, its because........ I'm broke