Thread: Ask Me About About SEO. Blackhat, Whitehat Whatever!

oooh ok I thought of one.

Let's say you personally had a website with a niche key word with approx 8000 searches per month.

What would your estimate, with your skills, be to get it to first page of Google?
Approximately how many hours of your time would it take?
How much would it cost if there are any expenses?

As you know from our PMs I am clueless about SEO so maybe these answers are completely unanswerable.

I got one!

Are your techniques different from the SEO adds on ebay that say things like 10000 PR3 to PR6 backlinks for $10?

Any experience of knowledge on seo for android apps? Specifically google play? do apps move up the google search rankings the same way websites do or are the rankings based off of current rank in google play? or a combination? Do links help you move up the rankings within google play or only downloads, ratings, uses, etc?

Did Dan Da Man get banned?
I went to PM him based on his post above, and now it says he is banned.

Was his post above not allowed?


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Maybe you are banned lol

I just tried and it doesn't show he is banned.

Originally Posted by PatrickP

oooh ok I thought of one.

Let's say you personally had a website with a niche key word with approx 8000 searches per month.

What would your estimate, with your skills, be to get it to first page of Google?
Approximately how many hours of your time would it take?
How much would it cost if there are any expenses?

As you know from our PMs I am clueless about SEO so maybe these answers are completely unanswerable.

Well, it really depends on the competition. 8,000 searches is going to be at least medium competition considering your product Mike.

For a keyword like this, you are probably going to get a ton of other relative keywords as well. Strengthening the ranking for the main keyword is most effective when using long tail keywords which support this keyword. This however takes longer but it will rake in so many long tail keywords as well.

For example - If dog training had 8,000 searches a month, I would go after "lab dog training" "best dog training" etc... which would then rank for those keywords as well as strengthen the main keyword "dog training.

For an 8,000 searches a month keyword I would guestimate that it would take 3 months depending on where you are ranking now and could cost anywhere between 600 - 5,000 lol. Really too hard to tell until you dive into it.

Originally Posted by Hambone

Did Dan Da Man get banned?
I went to PM him based on his post above, and now it says he is banned.

Was his post above not allowed?


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Im banned?? LOL

Haha...you're right!
My profile says I'm banned too.
Yours too actually.

I guess my Tapatalk app is messed up or something.

Originally Posted by Alty

I got one!

Are your techniques different from the SEO adds on ebay that say things like 10000 PR3 to PR6 backlinks for $10?

Yes 100 percent different. Never buy links just because their links and you cant put a price on links because no link is the same. I can create 100,000 links in 10 minutes but those links are shit compared to the 1,000 different type of links I can create which will have 1000 times more impact.

Don't buy link packets. Never have and never will. Also, don't outsource your SEO unless you know what you want or trust the person doing it.

Originally Posted by Jake

Any experience of knowledge on seo for android apps? Specifically google play? do apps move up the google search rankings the same way websites do or are the rankings based off of current rank in google play? or a combination? Do links help you move up the rankings within google play or only downloads, ratings, uses, etc?

Sorry, I have no experience here. Anyone else want to chime in?

How much in your opinion would it cost to rank a .com that has two exact keywords getting 200,000 monthly searches?

example

Keyword1Keyword2.com

"Keyword1+Keyword2" = 200,000 exact monthly searches

Originally Posted by Jake

do apps move up the google search rankings the same way websites do or are the rankings based off of current rank in google play? or a combination? Do links help you move up the rankings within google play or only downloads, ratings, uses, etc?

Two main factors are keyword match and # of downloads (popularity).

Example:

If you are searching for an app to find info about Cars, apps with the word Cars in the name will have more weight than those that only have the keyword in the description.

However, in some cases I've seen apps ranking higher for certain keywords because they are very popular but the keyword is not in the title.

Positive reviews also help a lot.

Something that I have been thinking about a lot lately is.. What if your not marketing to the US?
For example if you would set up a fitness supplement store in Brazil and if you look around and the competition is really shitty and not doing a lot of SEO.. would it be worth it to just go for the keywords ´Fitness supplements´ instead of really targeting a smaller niche like.. ´powerlifting supplements'.

Originally Posted by Alty

How much in your opinion would it cost to rank a .com that has two exact keywords getting 200,000 monthly searches?

example

Keyword1Keyword2.com

"Keyword1+Keyword2" = 200,000 exact monthly searches

Again, there is no way to determine the cost for this. You need to understand a few things.

First, SEO there is no guarantee. Anyone who gives you a gurantee is full of shit.

Second, it is very hard to guage how long it will take and how much it will cost because until you actually dive in, research the niche and keywords and competition, you won't really know how long it will take. Sometimes you can spend a few hundred bucks and get to the top 3 pages then getting to the top 10 will take ten times what ever you spent as the competition is obviously much harder on the first page.

Think of SEO as a profession such as a lawyer. You pay the lawyer regardless if you win or loose. They obviously want you to win but how can they predict the outcome? It is also hard for a lawyer to predict the cost because there are so many different factors that they cannot control. What happens if the case goes a lot longer then they expected? Are they going to give you free work because they quoted you a lower price? SEO is even harder because there are no dead signs to whether a keyword will be easy and how easy. Obviously the more searched keywords tend to be harder and the known money making keywords are always going to be tough but many times I thought keywords were hard and in fact they were very easy and vice versa.

And another thing. You are looking at broad searches. Check the exact match phrase in the google keyword tool to give you local exact searches. Broad is useless. Always look at local searches and exact match.

Originally Posted by Mexidan

Something that I have been thinking about a lot lately is.. What if your not marketing to the US?
For example if you would set up a fitness supplement store in Brazil and if you look around and the competition is really shitty and not doing a lot of SEO.. would it be worth it to just go for the keywords ´Fitness supplements´ instead of really targeting a smaller niche like.. ´powerlifting supplements'.

Well, if you are going to market outside the US and people are searching for it outside the US then why not? The only reason I do not care about traffic overseas is because I am not going to ship anything oveseas so why waste my time marketing to them?

It may look like fitness supplements is not competitive in another country but you are still going to be competing with many US companies as well. Just because google has specific country search operators, doesn't mean that big companies like BodyBuilding.com won't be showing up.

Dan, great thread!

What programs do you use when working on SEO? i.e. spinners, forum posters, captcha programs, etc.

Originally Posted by MNentre

Dan, great thread!

What programs do you use when working on SEO? i.e. spinners, forum posters, captcha programs, etc.

I first started off using SEnuke and Article Marketing Robot. They work and all but are very limited. Right now I am using the holy grain Zennoposter. Complicated for sure but the hours I spend learning this program will be killer!

I also use Article Marketing Robot when I want and The Best Spinner as well. I also have subscription to ubertoolz which has an HTMl spinner (spins content on html level where google sees it spun while readers see it normal) which makes for great readability.

I also use scrapebox for finding high PR blog comments and posting to high PR related blog comments.

Don't really do much manual but might get back to doing some high PR blog commenting if I get a chance. Haven't decided if it is even worth it.

Any programs you want to know about?

Originally Posted by andviv

Two main factors are keyword match and # of downloads (popularity).

Example:

If you are searching for an app to find info about Cars, apps with the word Cars in the name will have more weight than those that only have the keyword in the description.

However, in some cases I've seen apps ranking higher for certain keywords because they are very popular but the keyword is not in the title.

Positive reviews also help a lot.

Thanks. That's what I figured. I didn't know if link building has any influence within the store itself or in the google search rankings when you see apps ranked.

How would you suggest going about building links? You said not to purchase links, but as far as organic link building/SEO is concerned, how would you go about choosing which sites are best for inbound links?

Originally Posted by The-J

How would you suggest going about building links? You said not to purchase links, but as far as organic link building/SEO is concerned, how would you go about choosing which sites are best for inbound links?

Google gives the most weight to contextual links at the moment. So pages with tons of content on high authority domains are going to get you the most weight at the moment (web 2.0 sites). Majority of my link building is with web 2.0 sites. Building up pyramids and backlinking your 2.0s with other 2.0s.

Unless you can get some guest posting on high authority domains in your niche, creating ton of content (by spinning) and distributing them to your web 2.0s would be the best bet.