Outsourced SEO|Backlinking Test

kurtyordy · Jul 12, 2011

Hey guys, I just wanted to let you know if you are interested, I am starting a test of 5 different handsoff SEO/Backlink services. The goal being to see which one is the best for your money.

All 5 services will be under $100/ month so this is for the entry level guy/gal. The test will run for six months.

If anyone has a service of their own or one they have used that they can recommend, please let me know.

You can see more details and follow the test here- SEO TEST

kwerner · Jul 12, 2011

Hey Kurt, on your website you mentioned that you ordered 25 articles for your niche; do you mind saying (or PM'ing me) who you're using and what you're paying per article? Maybe we can exchange sources. Thanks.

CMCarlin · Jul 13, 2011

Hey Kurt!

Go ahead and give me a PM - I'll give you the discount link so you can try out my service

kurtyordy · Jul 13, 2011

kwerner said:
Hey Kurt, on your website you mentioned that you ordered 25 articles for your niche; do you mind saying (or PM'ing me) who you're using and what you're paying per article? Maybe we can exchange sources. Thanks.

pm sent. I don't want to reply here yet until I recieve the articles and see what sort of quality there is.

CMCarlin said:
Hey Kurt!

Go ahead and give me a PM - I'll give you the discount link so you can try out my service

awesome:

2 questions first. can I subscribe for 6 months so I will not have to keep rebuying? Since I am permitted 3 url's/keywords, can I switch the 3 each month?

CMCarlin · Jul 13, 2011

Hi Kurt,

Yes, I actually have a subscription package available. I'll send you the link.

And yes, you can switch out the keywords and urls every month, however, for best results, I do suggest sticking to one set of keywords/urls. You can change if you want though - all it takes is filling out another form.

Pm sent.

kurtyordy · Jul 14, 2011

CMCarlin said:
Hi Kurt,

And yes, you can switch out the keywords and urls every month, however, for best results, I do suggest sticking to one set of keywords/urls. You can change if you want though - all it takes is filling out another form.

my goal is having 2 keywords pointing to homepage url and one keyword pointing to a subpage each month and switching the sub page so the whole site i getting link juice and also varying one of the home page keywords each month for keyword diversity

would you advise against such a strategy?

CMCarlin · Jul 14, 2011

I would probably stick with the same set of target keywords for a little while until you start seeing results and then focus on another set. Switching up your internal pages every month is fine though IMHO.

It all depends on how competitive your keywords are, but the main thing is you don't want to dilute your backlinking efforts by throwing in additional keywords before you start seeing results for the first set, unless they are extremely similar or variations of your main keyword (i.e. dog training collar, dog training school, dog training class, poodle dog training).

I have a client that wanted to target 15 keywords for his main page - I was able to talk him into reducing that number to 4 until he started seeing results. I believe that the backlinking would be too diluted and he wouldn't get the best results (at least right away) - and my goal is to make sure that he does. So I will sometimes advise on on-page seo stuff - I'm pretty serious about making sure my clients see some movement. I'm signed up to a premium rank tracking service just so I can keep track of everything. One client is going after a pretty tough keyword I've ramped up the backlinking just so he can see some movement.

This reminds me... I have to put up some testimonials on the site.... shame on me!

kurtyordy · Jul 15, 2011

ok, you made the cut.

I currently have selected 4 out of the 5 needed services. Still trying to find one that fits into to program and is somewhat equal to the other 4 in pricing. I think it would not be a fair test to put a $50 services against a $150 one, so I am trying to find them at the same level.

Content has arrived. I ordered it from a guy on WF and am very pleased with it. Uploading to the sites now and should be ready to actually launch next week.

Brootal · Jul 17, 2011

Kurt,

I was just checking out your blog, but couldn't figure out how many sites your earnings are coming from. How many do you have going now?

kurtyordy · Jul 19, 2011

Brootal said:
Kurt,

I was just checking out your blog, but couldn't figure out how many sites your earnings are coming from. How many do you have going now?

I have about 80 autoblogs though not all are optimized and about 10 sites I am actively working on.

kurtyordy · Jul 19, 2011

AND THEY ARE OFF!

The horses have left the gate.

After much deliberation, we have set our services in action. One of our very own is in the mix View Profile: CMCarlin - Millionaire Entrepreneur Forum, as well as 2 I found on wf, and 2 from google (one I later found to be on wf)

I am looking forward to seeing the results these services deliver.

For a full run down of the services, costs, and features go here Outsourced Backlinking Test- And they are off! at Seo Bloodhound don't forget to hit the +1 button because I have no idea if it really matters.

All are pretty similar in price and offerings, so I am really curious who will come out ahead.

kurtyordy · Jul 24, 2011

I will be working toward updating this contest each Sunday night, so even though this first week is not a full week, the first weeks results have been posted Outsourcing Results- Week 1 at Seo Bloodhound. As you can see, one service has dominated so far getting all three keywords to page one.

That being said, it is very early in this contest and in the life of these sites. Have an early bump in the serps and then a pull back is not uncommon at all. So stay tuned.

kwerner · Jul 24, 2011

Cool man. I will definitely be watching this thread & subscribing to the rss feed on your site. And will very likely use the winning service. Thanks.

mtnman · Jul 28, 2011

Email me.

Talisman · Jul 29, 2011

Loving it. I'm in need of some time saving, SEO is not my strength.

kurtyordy · Jul 31, 2011

Just back from a weekend away hiking with my wife, and I was very tempted to make everyone wait until tomorrow for the update because I feel like crashing. But that would not be the way to run a test, so here it is SEO Outsourcing Results- Week 2 at Seo Bloodhound

As you can see we had a lead change on one keyword and all the serps are tightening in between these services. If you have any feedback for me, let me know.

CMCarlin · Aug 3, 2011

Good stuff! Looks like the service that took number one in week 1 blasted all their links at once and gave you that initial boost.

I've also just come back from a great "outdoor" excursion. Love this time of year.

kurtyordy · Aug 4, 2011

mtnman said:
Email me.

I thought I was getting called to the principals office, but thankfully I was not. btw- thanks for the tip on BLG. I am testing their free service with a new site.

CMCarlin said:
Good stuff! Looks like the service that took number one in week 1 blasted all their links at once and gave you that initial boost.

I've also just come back from a great "outdoor" excursion. Love this time of year.

Yeah, I am curious how it will hold.

And I actually do not care for this time of year. Fall is my favorite time to be outdoors. Fortunately, we lucked out and the weekend was low humidity and not too high of temps.

kurtyordy · Aug 7, 2011

It is sunday, so time to update my little test. For those who are interested, here is this weeks results Best Backlinking Service Test- Week 3 Results | Seo Bloodhound- SEO Testing Done Right

kurtyordy · Aug 14, 2011

Week 4 is now in the books, please enjoy- Backlink Building Service Test Week 4 | Seo Bloodhound- SEO Testing Done Right

kurtyordy · Aug 21, 2011

time for bed, so here is the quick results- Best Backlink Service Test- Week 5 Results | Seo Bloodhound- SEO Testing Done Right

kurtyordy · Aug 28, 2011

ok, week 6 is now posted Best Backlink Service Test Week 6 | Seo Bloodhound- SEO Testing Done Right. Also, I am planning my next test launch which should come sometime next month. However, I would love some input from you all on some of the parameters. The specifics of what info I am looking for is at the end of this weeks update.

Thanks,

simonbaker · Aug 28, 2011

I am new here,but I love your test and I read every post in your seobloodhound blog (thought you dont approve my comments

) I would love to know about what kind of keywords you use for the tests... Are they too competitive,how many searches per month and so on... This can help us more and I thank you once again for the time you spend in doing all these updates...Its a major lesson for us..

Ps:- could you give me details on where you get your articles...I would love to order some too for my website.

Jonleehacker · Aug 29, 2011

So far your results indicate that there isn't much difference between the services (at least the top 3 that are actually getting some results).

The reason is because in the eyes of Google, they are all links that fall into the same basic category: easily obtained, therefore low value, links.

Since you have pretty much proven, that these services are all the same, a next test would be to compare these to more diverse types of links.

So if you are saying that you are budgeting $100 a month, that could buy you 2 well written articles that you could offer as guest posts on established blogs.

Or buy $100 worth of quality links.

Or pay someone $100 a month to make 20 very high quality forum posts with your links, same for do-follow blog comments.

$100 worth of twitter advertising and Facebook likes.

etc.

Compare things that are more different if you want to really be seeing a hierarchy of value.

Overall though, Google looks for link diversity, so one of your controls to test against would be to mix in all of the above methods.. you will find it blows away all of the others.

kurtyordy · Aug 29, 2011

simonbaker said:
I am new here,but I love your test and I read every post in your seobloodhound blog (thought you dont approve my comments ) I would love to know about what kind of keywords you use for the tests... Are they too competitive,how many searches per month and so on... This can help us more and I thank you once again for the time you spend in doing all these updates...Its a major lesson for us..

Ps:- could you give me details on where you get your articles...I would love to order some too for my website.

approved and answered, thanks for following.

Jonleehacker said:
So far your results indicate that there isn't much difference between the services (at least the top 3 that are actually getting some results).

The reason is because in the eyes of Google, they are all links that fall into the same basic category: easily obtained, therefore low value, links.

Since you have pretty much proven, that these services are all the same, a next test would be to compare these to more diverse types of links.

So if you are saying that you are budgeting $100 a month, that could buy you 2 well written articles that you could offer as guest posts on established blogs.

Or buy $100 worth of quality links.

Or pay someone $100 a month to make 20 very high quality forum posts with your links, same for do-follow blog comments.

$100 worth of twitter advertising and Facebook likes.

etc.

Compare things that are more different if you want to really be seeing a hierarchy of value.

Overall though, Google looks for link diversity, so one of your controls to test against would be to mix in all of the above methods.. you will find it blows away all of the others.

thanks. I am hoping that by the end I have a clear winner and then I can go back in and test that vs some other services, like those you mentioned above. Once this test is done, I plan to build a better link profile to these sites to round them out.

Jonleehacker · Aug 29, 2011

kurtyordy said:
I am hoping that by the end I have a clear winner and then I can go back in and test that vs some other services, like those you mentioned above.

I guess I'm questioning the value of spending time/money determining a clear winner here.

It's a bit like finding out who's the fastest runner in a class of 6th graders. When you throw them onto the track at the Olympics, it isn't really going to matter much.

Not to say these links have no value, but, if I had to make a guess, I'd say 2000 of these type of links would equal 1 in content / on topic link from an established blog. So why spend a lot of time determining whether it is 2000 to 1 or 1950 to 1?

The best use for these type of links is as fillers in a plan of diverse linking, they have very very little value on their own.

kurtyordy · Aug 29, 2011

Jonleehacker said:
I guess I'm questioning the value of spending time/money determining a clear winner here.

It's a bit like finding out who's the fastest runner in a class of 6th graders. When you throw them onto the track at the Olympics, it isn't really going to matter much.

Not to say these links have no value, but, if I had to make a guess, I'd say 2000 of these type of links would equal 1 in content / on topic link from an established blog. So why spend a lot of time determining whether it is 2000 to 1 or 1950 to 1?

The best use for these type of links is as fillers in a plan of diverse linking, they have very very little value on their own.

Not arguing anything but the value of the test. If you are going to have a 6th grader as part of your track team, then why not have the best sixth grader you can afford to draft? maybe I am looking at it wrong, but that is the approach I am coming from right now.

Jonleehacker · Aug 29, 2011

kurtyordy said:
Not arguing anything but the value of the test. If you are going to have a 6th grader as part of your track team, then why not have the best sixth grader you can afford to draft? maybe I am looking at it wrong, but that is the approach I am coming from right now.

Nothing wrong with that argument. However, in the world of limited resources, is it worth it to spend $500 a month to find the best 6th grader when you know the chances are 0 he/she will win a medal, or spend that money finding an developing a high school senior who has a shot.

To put it another way, the links you are testing are junk. On their own, they will never get a site to rank for a real keyword against a more well rounded SEO strategy. Maybe for a week or two, but long term zero chance.

Let's change my metaphor a bit. Rather than the Olympics, think of it as tug-o-war. Every team has to have a few 6th graders on it, but they are irrelevant. It's the firemen and the 300 pound lineman that make the difference. No matter how great the 6th graders are on each team, they aren't affecting the outcome at all.

To be blunt, I think you're wasting money on this test that you could put to better use.

kurtyordy · Aug 29, 2011

btw- I tried to pm you, but your inbox is full.

the test is for those with a limited amount of resources. If there must be sixth graders, and all you can afford is sixth graders right now, then wouldn't you want to know which is best? If each team is evenly matched otherwise, but you happened to find a 300 lb sixth grader, you win.

Jonleehacker · Aug 29, 2011

thx, fixed the inbox.

For $500 a month you could be testing inexperienced 300 lb lineman and training them into monsters that eat 6th graders for breakfast.

I'll let it go now.

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