Thread: Doubling-Down on Stupid...

So how to get out of it?
What if you are in college now? Can you learn certain skills that will give you a chance to make big money?
Can you spend your time besides studying to get your 'useless' degree on things that give you that chance?

I mean, it's all good to see all the 'hate' towards college, I even get it. But, give us people that are in college now and willing to change it for a good and bright future some tips?

It's very demotivational to read a degree might become super useless. No matter how that reality is, it's still something I have been working on for the past 3 years with 1 year to go. I have study loans I am unhappy about. Changes are big I will life a mediocre life where money is never in abudance, if I do things the same as everybody! But, and this is a big but, I am willing to change!

I read the fastlane and so many other books on self development and to not follow the sheeps.... but, I really miss the skills to do something that would really turn my life 180%!
I know most of the things I learn are useless. Some things are useless, but with a lot of tasks in college I just feel like it's filling in hours that are commanded by the goverment. "Lets make them do this, that will take them another 8 hours!".

I am frustrated. I am frustrated that I fall into this trap. But, please give us college people that are willing to change (being on this forum proofs it!) some real pointers to get on a different 'lane'.
If you do not want to do something that has to do with the internet and you don't want to flip houses, what else really is there?
It's not even that I want to become an entrepreneur, but I would like to make GOOD money, be happy with what I do and enjoy life to the fullest.

Like I said, with a degree I am heading for mediocrity!

Everywhere you look their is a business. Everything you buy a business made it, another one transported it, another one sold it, and another leased them the land. The world is not just limited to the internet the differnce is usually start up capital. The internet has one of the lowest barriers to entry out of any idustry I can think of so it is very popular with young entreprenuers with lots of ideas and little money. However, this does not mean you cannot work towards something else in a different field you just have to keep your eyes open to whats out there and learn as much as you can.

Originally Posted by Skys

So how to get out of it?
What if you are in college now? Can you learn certain skills that will give you a chance to make big money?
Can you spend your time besides studying to get your 'useless' degree on things that give you that chance?

Of course you can. If you believe you are missing skills, it is up to you to go learn them. Your school has a library full of resources that you get to use free of charge. Start there, start today.

I am always logged into my schools library and the library of other schools we teach at, always. I spend a lot of time in my city's library too.

If need be, you can buy used books on Amazon, for pocket change. Our first course that we launched we developed it using 2 used textbooks we got off of Amazon for .42 cents each.

There is no excuse, there is so much free or might as well be free information out there on how to do -anything- you could ever want or need to do to start and run a successful business.

Sue

As a student you get HUGE discounts on Adobe & Microsoft software. Take or audit advanced courses on marketing, business data, business process, basic accounting, take video courses and use the resources to make marketing/product videos.

Originally Posted by healthstatus

As a student you get HUGE discounts on Adobe & Microsoft software. Take or audit advanced courses on marketing, business data, business process, basic accounting, take video courses and use the resources to make marketing/product videos.

I am studying Human Resource Management.
I must admit I love marketing. If I could do it all over I would want to get into advertisement. The fast pace, being creative and convincing people your product is best. That tickles me haha
Every time somebody asks me what I really would want to do in life I answer I would want to get a big commercial on screen during a World championship. Get a big poster on a big wall in the center of New York.
That's what I answer when I do excersises like Tony Robbins give, that's what I really want to do

I am not that interested in accounting, business processes and business date but I see your point. Get deeper into the knowledge about what I want to do. But, I have so many limiting believes.
First of all: I wouldn't mind starting with a job in that business. But, those company's hire people with certain diploma's. So. Education is still needed?! That's probably limiting believe nr. 1

Second of all: Am I delusional?? Making a commercial for a world championship? Haha Grow up! There are BIG companies that make those commercials! What am I going to bring with Human Resource Management?
Besides all the Brian Tracy, Tony Robbins, David allen etc books (lets say I read the whole 'psychology wall in a big bookstore ), what do I really have to bring? Yes, another limiting believe.

But, I don't know to break out of the limiting believes, because in a way they feel like they are very reasonable. I just need to focus on getting my diploma in HRM. And I am working towards that. But motivation is NOT high because I would rather spend my time learning more and more about what I just told u guys
I have a long road ahead of me and I think that's fine But, I would LOVE to get started with what I want to achieve! So tips are well received! Getting my diploma is just a side step. Just a 'prove' for companys that I have the thinking level of an university student. I need to finish because if I finish, all my loans become a gift !! I would be FREE. But, I do not FEEL free. I feel completely trapped. Studying things I don't want to be studying and doing tasks I know I would rather spend on learning how to work with a program that helps me becoming that commercial/marketing aspect ! Or read more about what tickles people!

Sorry if this is all has a very negative vibe towards it. Almost like it's TOXIC perhaps. But, everybody around me just doesn't have that drive I have to achieve more and higher things. So every time I ask advice or talk about it with those people they tell me everything is fine.
Haha except my mom, funny enough! She always says I need to do what I am good at and do the things I enjoy doing. She does say I really need to finish school, even if it's only to get away from those ugly study debt !

Originally Posted by Skys

I am studying Human Resource Management.

HUGE opportunities in this field.

1. Find human resources
Have you heard of monster.com?

Have you heard of dice.com?

They fix one of the biggest issues for businesses out there. Talent Acquisition.

Everybody knows having great employees is critical for any company. Finding them, though, is pretty tough. That market is still wide open.

Nobody has figured out how to find the best talent around.

The head-hunting business is huge.

I know this guy that works as head hunter. An experienced manager makes $130K to $180k around here. Companies pay between $20k and $50k to the company that finds them the right candidate.


2. Retain human resources

There are a lot of e-learning companies out there providing virtual training. Who are their targeted customers? Companies that want to invest in training for their best employees. Provide a system for them to provide training and track who takes what training, and what certifications are in place, and you will make a killing.

3. Track work and Pay your employees
Read the success story of Replicon: Success story: Replicon – time tracking and invoicing software
Replicon (company) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also, read about Paylocity Paylocity Corporation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And this market is still in need. There are a lot of timetracking apps in the iPhone/Android app stores, and for a good reason.

4. Compliance
There are so many laws and regulations about labor law that companies can't keep up. Providing consulting services around this area is also very profitable.

5. Contractors
elance?
ODesk?
etc etc etc

Help companies find the contractor they need. Make money immediately.

Originally Posted by Skys

It's very demotivational to read a degree might become super useless.

Yup, degrees are usually worthless.

Knowledge (real education) is not.

Networking and future business contacts are super-valuable.

As a student, you get a chance to intern for great companies. Make sure you work towards that.

Originally Posted by Skys

I have study loans I am unhappy about.

How much will the monthly payments be?
Any other debt you need to worry about at this point?

Make sure you know what's coming your way when you graduate.

Originally Posted by Skys

Changes are big I will life a mediocre life where money is never in abudance, if I do things the same as everybody!

Then don't.
Do the opposite.
Get a job, but to learn, not for the salary.

Get a job as a way to learn about the market and its needs.

Originally Posted by Skys

I really miss the skills to do something that would really turn my life 180%!

Like?

Please tell me what skills you need to turn your life 180.

Originally Posted by Skys

with a degree I am heading for mediocrity!

You don't need a degree to be mediocre!

Originally Posted by Skys

If you do not want to do something that has to do with the internet and you don't want to flip houses, what else really is there?
It's not even that I want to become an entrepreneur

OK, please keep telling us what else YOU DON'T WANT.

And after that, is there anything you really want?

What about people around you? what do they want? What would they pay for?

Originally Posted by Pete799p

Everywhere you look their is a business. Everything you buy a business made it, another one transported it, another one sold it, and another leased them the land.

Rep++

What I want is to work in marketing. Being an influence in the lifes of people
Having a fast pace job or work for myself
Negotiating with people, giving presentations to show that my product/our product is best

Originally Posted by Skys

Having a fast pace job or work for myself
Negotiating with people, giving presentations to show that my product/our product is best

Get into sales.

Is there a door-to-door product you can start selling tomorrow?

That sounds to me like a great learning experience.

Great tip. I did that in the past and did like it

It's staggering how much money the for profit online schools make. Not only are some of them just glorified degree mills but they end up costing more through their loan programs.

Wasn't it Henry ford who said we need schools to create good employees? That's exactly what they are doing. And quite profitably I might add. Also, when was the last time you heard that tuition was decreasing?

No rant!

Originally Posted by Skys

So how to get out of it?
What if you are in college now? Can you learn certain skills that will give you a chance to make big money?
Can you spend your time besides studying to get your 'useless' degree on things that give you that chance?

I mean, it's all good to see all the 'hate' towards college, I even get it. But, give us people that are in college now and willing to change it for a good and bright future some tips?

It's very demotivational to read a degree might become super useless. No matter how that reality is, it's still something I have been working on for the past 3 years with 1 year to go. I have study loans I am unhappy about. Changes are big I will life a mediocre life where money is never in abudance, if I do things the same as everybody! But, and this is a big but, I am willing to change!

I read the fastlane and so many other books on self development and to not follow the sheeps.... but, I really miss the skills to do something that would really turn my life 180%!
I know most of the things I learn are useless. Some things are useless, but with a lot of tasks in college I just feel like it's filling in hours that are commanded by the goverment. "Lets make them do this, that will take them another 8 hours!".

I am frustrated. I am frustrated that I fall into this trap. But, please give us college people that are willing to change (being on this forum proofs it!) some real pointers to get on a different 'lane'.
If you do not want to do something that has to do with the internet and you don't want to flip houses, what else really is there?
It's not even that I want to become an entrepreneur, but I would like to make GOOD money, be happy with what I do and enjoy life to the fullest.

Like I said, with a degree I am heading for mediocrity!

re how to get out -

I would say figure out exactly what you want. It doesn't sound like your goal is a Fastlane one like most here, but if it suits your lifestyle best then that's fine. Toss the limiting beliefs out for a few minutes and think, if I were absolutely certain that I could a achieve something that few ever do, what would it be? What is it that you WANT most? Desire is key here. Imo great accomplishment is impossible without great desire. The costs of accomplishment are steep and frequently painful, and no sane person will endure all that unless the personal costs of NOT doing so is even more painful. Once you want something badly enough that you have that constant gnawing "monkey on your back" feeling, you're golden. You are officially crazy enough to not only do what most people never will, but to do it over and over again. You can take the pain. Failure is no longer as failure is for most people: most people see failure as some searing personal indictment, as some cosmic sign that they are doomed to be fat/poor/dumb/forever alone, whatever. Failure for the person that WANTS something is just one more sign that they need to get better, nothing more. I spent the last five or so years or so doing this, and you've got to really love the process because the "pay offs" are huge and spikey but infrequent. One of my favorite authors describes it as "plateaux-hopping," as in you spend forever grinding away at one specific plateau-point of progress failing and failing and failing with seemingly no hope in sight before making very rapid exponential leaps of progress - jumping the plateau. He was describing it in terms of developing one's athletic potential, but I think it's the same for any work process. For the first little long while of prolonged awkward flailing people just kind of look at you funny, but then you develop rapid proficiency and people start to want in on what you're doing, and then you start hitting those last few plateaux and progress further in a few years that most people will in a lifetime and people start bum-rushing you for help and advice. (How did you do it? They don't want to hear about all the pain involved.) IMO this is the key to rapid progress - turning that "wanting it so badly it hurts" feeling into an accelerated rate of (failed) attempts to succeed and the inevitable growth that accompanies failure. If you can fail faster and harder you can grow faster and harder!

So the important part becomes fostering that feeling, because that WANT is your fuel. I'm in the process of restarting this whole process from scratch right now and I find a big part of it is ALLOWING yourself to daydream. You may already know what you want, but many people get good at suppressing thoughts of want you want. Torture yourself a bit by indulging in what it would be like to achieve this thing - what your life would be like, how happy you'd be, the awards you'd win, the great sex from your wife, the approval of dad, whatever. Make it taste so REAL that you feel utterly jobbed by the fact that it isn't, just utterly crush yourself like that. You will be naturally driven to action and all those scary impediments that keep most people from achieving what you want? You'll find yourself hardly noticing them at times, because you're driven by something that absolutely dwarfs whatever pain-factor those activities might carry.

I mean just two years ago the very thought of starting my own business made me want to gag. So much work, none of it very fun or interesting, lots of dealing with crappy people in ugly suits, blah blah, whatever. But now that I've amped up and retuned my desire, that stuff is just so much small potatoes, and it's eagerly back to the grind!

Someone once told me that the body can only sense pain from one distinct location at a time, and so he had the habit of whenever he hurt himself of stubbing his toe into the wall or slapping himself in the face, etc. I don't really know if that's true of the body, and frankly he looked pretty stupid. But for all those 999999999 people that look at Everest and think "holy hell would that ever suck to climb - so much pointless pain and risk, and for what? why?" there is that one person for whom the idea of kicking it without having climbed Everest is just too painful to bear, and whatever rational concerns he may have about actually doing it are drowned out by just how LOUD that want is, that screaming gnawing monkey on his back.