Thread: MLM Debate

Originally Posted by MJDeMarco

It was 4.

Yea, I don't work for $3.09 an hour and Ill never participate in another one again. (I think they call experience wisdom, ey?)

I couldn't afford *real* food, as opposed to starving, I'll take the Ramen. I still eat tuna, and would consider that in the healthy category.

Whatever. Keep selling Amway champ; sounds like you gotta real winner there. Now there's a LOL.

I was about to write, Yea, MJ decided it was a waste of time.

Eagles fiance is on unemployment for 99 weeks.. and from his post below, he is waiting to get fired so he can get his 99 weeks, seems like a great time when you can build a real MLM business.

Seems to me he is a real winner all the way around.

Originally Posted by ^eagle^

Now we get 99 weeks of income while she builds her business full time. And I do not feel one bit guilty about it nor do I fear any karma. As My current employer is doing the same thing right now. I cant wait til she frees me. And in the meantime In addition to helping her business I am selling one and building another in forex, So don't give me any crap about being Greedy and lazy.

Once again Fractal thinking. Experience may have taught you that you only eanred $3.08 per hour but what networking did you get? And As I have said this is my FIANCE's business. Not mine. I'm closing a deal on a B&M business and working on what I truly want to do and figuring out how to add value to others in the process and then teach them what I did as opposed to what they OUGHT to do. and make Millions off of the OUGHT. Plus I work 50 Hours a week at HARD manual labor that most of you couldn't even walk and keep pace with me let alone actually do the work.

I' Like Amway Products. They have a 50+year track history and are getting better everyday. Are they a perfect business Model? No absoultely not. Melaleuca is a better model but Amways products are better.

As for me and my Work ethic. I would work circles around you. I just don't have the education. MLM is helping me to "deprogram" My employment mentality. My indoctrination from 14 years of bullshit college. Once again The map is not the territory.\

http://www.thefastlaneforum.com/mind...ification.html

I like this post. It clearly states the importance of the "commandment of entry" Which I am in agreement with. MLM is easy to enter but HARD to work out. IMO MLM only violates the commandment of control. But In reality you are at the mercy of your government so control becomes and illusion.

I'm Willing to take the heat here Only because I see hypocracy. None different than Suze Orman. Which I know MJ hates. But I reallly think this is important and needs to be discussed.

Is Another's "experience" really beneficial? MJ says MLM's are bad but fractal thinking tells me he used them to get where he is whether consciously or unconsciously. MLMs and all the seminars and experience have certainly taught him something. You mean to say I am to follow MJ unquestioningly in a 300+ page book and get all the answers? the taxcode alone is over 80K pages! Plus I have a few dependents in the mix that foil the $300 a month apartment and ramen noodle plan.

Not saying what MJ has is bad. But is it right for everyone? We all have different experiences. We all have different reference that coallece into our thought patterns. IF I am one millimeter off my target that is 500 yards away I could miss the mark completely.

Thats the point i'm trying to get across. And BTW if you want my fiance to have a nice dress to wear for the next function I'd appreciate a click and registration below.
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So I get Hammered for questioning the great and omicient MJ? As much respect I have for you MJ Because I have learned a lot It's not a one size fits all. That's what I'm saying. I'm asking, "what did you do?" as opposed to "What should I ought to do?"

Is this a bad thing? Honestly I don't know because I haven't made my first million.

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Originally Posted by ^eagle^

As for me and my Work ethic. I would work circles around you. I just don't have the education.

Huh? LOL

MJ - Let him learn for himself about MLM. Anyone who gets into it for the first time says the same exact thing. They argue with anyone who tells them it's bogus and they think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. After you try it out once or twice or even the third time (hoping that this one is different), you realize what a mistake it was and what a waste of time.

For me, the couple that I got into were a learning experience, although not the best. Looking back on it, I feel that it was more negative than it was positive. I felt like I burnt some bridges by annoying people to "get in on this great new product". Then felt bad for the people that into it.

IMO mlm is just a way for the people who created it to make money. Everyone else is just a sucker along for the ride.

I did have a friend that was making over 3k a week with Mona-vie. His whole life was Mona-vie. He wore t-shirts, had stickers all over his car and it was the only thing he ever talked about. Needless to say, he lost many friends and after the everyone in his down line started bailing out, he was back down to making nothing. I'm sure if you ask him now, he'll tell you he regrets ever getting involved even after making all that money.

My suggestion is to try it out and see for yourself then come back here in a few months and tell us how you feel. And be Honest.

I avoid people that are involved in MLM.

People that think they started a "business" by shilling other people's shit, and recruiting other people to shill other people's shit... want to waste my time.

I'm not throwing a book party for you, I'm not interested in the shit you're hocking, and a month from now when you still have no money I am not interested in being your career counselor.

Over the years I have had a dozen+ friends involved in one MLM or another. None of them have ever made any real money.

MLM preys on people that know there's a better way than the 9 to 5 and are hoping someone hands them a magic potion to sell to get there.

Listen... if there WAS a magic potion, I WOULD BE SELLING IT. There's no easy way to the fast lane by hawking someone else's dream. You're just a pawn on someone else's chess board.

(not that I have strong feelings on MLM or anything...)

@vigilante. I'm sure you do. and I wouldnt even think of approaching you now as that would be a waste of my time. But if we were close friends I'm sure you wouldn't mind being a customer of mine. And if not that's Ok too. see how hard was that. Now I just network some more. Which is the REALLY hard part of MLM. But I'm learning. I'm not here to sell everyone on MLM. But if you have a solid network then why not? And even if you don't you can learn how. That is the key element I'm walking way with. As I have stated numerous times on this tread. It's a means to me. Not an end. But the momonet anyone hears MLM their mind snaps shut because of some douche bag that hounds them day and night to join. Real MLM doesn't work that way. It's about networking and making new friends. I don't bug my family about what I do. I ask them onceand either get a customer, a go-getter or a no thank you. The hard part is the no thank yous becaue of the employee mentality instilled in us. Particularily Anglo saxon Americans.

Gotta hit he sack as my forex account is up another couple of points. Live long and prosper my friends.

See... here is where we disagree. If we were close friends, I would resent you using that to try and sell me something. I get two approaches all the time...

1. wanna be entrepreneur MLM rookies who see a guy like me as their meal ticket. They're taught to look for people like me, and try and recruit me. Theory goes if they get ME, then they will be on easy street as I can sell ice to eskimos.

2. wanna sell me their products.

MLM imposes on friendships. I have a solid network... and I am not going to jeopardize that by trying to have a casual conversation with them that transitions into a scripted sales pitch.

In my opinion, it is worse than a cold call out of the blue from someone that you don't know. People feel obligated to buy things, host things, and promote things they are not interested in because a friend or family member wants to use the relationship for financial gain.

It's unseemly. It's awkward. The recipients of the pitch for the most part are put into a difficult situation.

People who used to like you will avoid you, because you want to sell them something. Doesn't that make you uneasy?

Originally Posted by Vigilante

MLM imposes on friendships.

This is very true. I'm telling you, he's only going to learn by doing it himself. He'll argue till the death but when all is said and done he'll realize that it was a mistake and hopefully never do it again. You live you learn. I'm sure you learned at one point as did MJ and myself. Anyone I've ever know that has tried it will never try it again. I've known many many people who have done it, some of them semi successfully and even with that, that will still never do it again.

Originally Posted by ^eagle^

But the momonet anyone hears MLM their mind snaps shut because of some douche bag that hounds them day and night to join. Real MLM doesn't work that way. It's about networking and making new friends.

One day you'll be that guy

So....yea long story short...MLM is not a real business model...much like Affiliate Marketing...

Originally Posted by ^eagle^

http://www.thefastlaneforum.com/mind...ification.html

I like this post. It clearly states the importance of the "commandment of entry" Which I am in agreement with. MLM is easy to enter but HARD to work out. IMO MLM only violates the commandment of control. But In reality you are at the mercy of your government so control becomes and illusion.

I'm Willing to take the heat here Only because I see hypocracy. None different than Suze Orman. Which I know MJ hates. But I reallly think this is important and needs to be discussed.

Is Another's "experience" really beneficial? MJ says MLM's are bad but fractal thinking tells me he used them to get where he is whether consciously or unconsciously. MLMs and all the seminars and experience have certainly taught him something. You mean to say I am to follow MJ unquestioningly in a 300+ page book and get all the answers? the taxcode alone is over 80K pages! Plus I have a few dependents in the mix that foil the $300 a month apartment and ramen noodle plan.

Not saying what MJ has is bad. But is it right for everyone? We all have different experiences. We all have different reference that coallece into our thought patterns. IF I am one millimeter off my target that is 500 yards away I could miss the mark completely.

Thats the point i'm trying to get across. And BTW if you want my fiance to have a nice dress to wear for the next function I'd appreciate a click and registration below.
vvvvvvvvvv

So I get Hammered for questioning the great and omicient MJ? As much respect I have for you MJ Because I have learned a lot It's not a one size fits all. That's what I'm saying. I'm asking, "what did you do?" as opposed to "What should I ought to do?"

Is this a bad thing? Honestly I don't know because I haven't made my first million.

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No...everyone's simply telling you that by being involved in MLM as an employee (technically what you are), you playing Russian Roulette with your financial future...which in turn has HUGE consequences for your life in general....

I'm quite aware of the 1099 employee my Fiance is. But it's deprogramming her. And I'm enjoying it as well. Great people. And the rent a wheel comment was uncalled for. Everything I own except my mortgage is paid for cash. This is digging into my time so I'll not bother to post here again.

Edit: Sorry, Rent a wheel comment was on another thread but Im done posting in both. too much to do in my few precious seconds left on the planet.


Sounds like we are agreeing to disagree. No worries.

Originally Posted by ^eagle^

IMO MLM only violates the commandment of control. But In reality you are at the mercy of your government so control becomes and illusion.

This guy is hilarious....

Originally Posted by MJDeMarco

There are no absolutes -- there are exceptions to everything. There are rich MLMers. There are rich people with jobs. There are rich lottery players. I like to think in terms of probabilities ... if a passionate Fastlaner might get rich at an odds rate of 1 in 50, a passionate MLMer might get rich in 1 in 1,000. Both events occur.

What do you think are the odds of getting into Internet Marketing and turning it into a multi-million $ business like you did? Not asking as a hypothetical, but reality. How many folks do you think get excited about it, buy an eBook, go to a seminar, and try to build a few sites, then quit? What do you think that % is? Just curious.

You can not calculate the odds at all. It depends on so many things. It is definately historically accurate that the richest people all own their own or started their own businesses. I know lots of multi-millionaire entrepreneurs, know a handful of salespeople (job) worth over a million but barely over. Same with ladder climbers just a handful who invested well. And mlm, not a single one....

How do ya like those odds?

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Anyone who would argue with "MJ" himself on his own forum just deserves to be branded with the word "Dolt" on his forehead...

I firmly believe that it is easier to make millions in a job than in mlm. Unless of course you start the mlm. You people arguing are so fricking stupid. Good luck selling $70 environmently friendly soap from amway lmao. Ill continue buying mine from HEB for $3....

Entrepreneur > sales > corporate ladder > dead end job > mlm

Originally Posted by Kak

I firmly believe that it is easier to make millions in a job than in mlm. Unless of course you start the mlm.

I agree with you. It took me 8 years to hit the million dollar mark in MLM, but only 6 in a job, due largely to the skills I learned in the MLM.

You people arguing are so fricking stupid. Good luck selling $70 environmently friendly soap from amway lmao. Ill continue buying mine from HEB for $3....

Wow. There's that vitriol again. How many were there at which you failed before developing this level of anger? Stupid? Really? $70? Again, the hyperbole doesn't bolster your argument. It just makes you sound hysterical.

For the record, I am not interested in, nor do ever intend to participate in another MLM business. At the same time, I must say to all the critics here, that a man with an experience is seldom at the mercy of a man with a theory.

And to the poster who stated so emphatically that it was stupid to argue with MJ clearly doesn't know MJ. While I don't know him well, and I don't purport to speak for him, I think it's safe to say that he's not like that. From my 4 years of experience on this great forum, he has always welcomed healthy, respectful debate.

Originally Posted by Jill

I agree with you. It took me 8 years to hit the million dollar mark in MLM, but only 6 in a job, due largely to the skills I learned in the MLM.

Wow. There's that vitriol again. How many were there at which you failed before developing this level of anger? Stupid? Really? $70? Again, the hyperbole doesn't bolster your argument. It just makes you sound hysterical.

For the record, I am not interested in, nor do ever intend to participate in another MLM business. At the same time, I must say to all the critics here, that a man with an experience is seldom at the mercy of a man with a theory.

And to the poster who stated so emphatically that it was stupid to argue with MJ clearly doesn't know MJ. While I don't know him well, and I don't purport to speak for him, I think it's safe to say that he's not like that. From my 4 years of experience on this great forum, he has always welcomed healthy, respectful debate.

Jill do you think you would have had better expirence if you would have socked 8 years in an actual business that yoy had to actually run?

You may not be working right now if you had chosen an actual business.

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