Thread: what you think about SOPA/PIPA ?

what you think about SOPA/PIPA ?

Its this the first real censorship of the internet????

or its just to much alarmism about it?


Everybody in the fastlane should think about this since many of us use the internet as a way to get our product / service to the costumer.


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I think it's fine. Right now the internet is like the wild west. While cool in some ways, I think basic law enforcement measures need to be in place

I think this is a PR stunt for Obama's reelection, he will veto it in the last moment or something like that...

If it gets through... Well, have a quick look at China to see how those things work out...

Censorship of the internet would not be a good thing.

Sure, it'd be nice if a set of rules could be made to help protect people\businesses, but it just simply isn't possible. There would be way too many edge cases. Outright blocking of sites is silly.

I think this is a PR stunt for Obama's reelection, he will veto it in the last moment or something like that..

He's already come out against it...

I think SOPA is meant as the "DITF" (Door In The Face) to "re-frame" the situation in order to pass slightly less draconian Internet censorship such as PIPA.

Contrast effect/Door-in-the-face technique.

Wikipedia and Reddit are both blacking out tomorrow in protest of SOPA, and Google is reportedly planning a protest of some other kind.

Originally Posted by GlobalWealth

I equate this to the boiling frog analogy.

How do you cook a frog? You certainly don't throw him in a pot of boiling water. He would just jump out.

You put him in a pot of cool water and warm it up. It gets warmer and feels nice, but eventually he gets cooked.

This is all about government control and power.

Poor frog....didn't even see it coming. I don't like that.

All I have to say is when does more government ever sound like a good idea.....they need to leave well enough alone and stop protecting people from themselves.

I think SOPA is meant as the "DITF" (Door In The Face) to "re-frame" the situation in order to pass slightly less draconian Internet censorship such as PIPA.

I think Atom nailed, and that maybe this black out its just a excuse to upgrade software/ servers Whatever... to increase the censorship...

The only thing we have right now its the internet and that will be taken for us slowly.

Censorship its not about protecting anyone, right now google can know in real time what people are thinking, read our emails, know who are our friends and all information they want (FB)... and now they just want to shutdown without any excuse any site they want, China style

I do hope people dont let this bill pass, or any of that nature that can take freedom from people.


Internet its all about freedom of information and I love freedom.

edit: I just heard that the bill will not pass at least as it was written...

Originally Posted by Iqen

I think it's fine. Right now the internet is like the wild west. While cool in some ways, I think basic law enforcement measures need to be in place

Maybe you should try reading what SOPA would actually mean for the internet. It's all about big corporations trying to control our life more and more, from what we read, to what we see on tv, and now they're after the only place they haven't been able to control enough yet, the internet. It's not a coincidence that all SOPA-supporters in congress and elsewhere are sponsored by big corporations..

As a techie and a follower of these types of legislation plans since 2009, I am completely and utterly against it.

It destroys the entrepreneurial spirit of the internet business because it would require any site with a search function to implement censorship features of face immediate takedown.

Not only this, but it takes away the great freedom of the Internet. The Internet is a place where we can talk about whatever we want with whomever we want, and if this bill passes, we will give the government power to take our 1st amendment rights.

As for piracy, it won't die due to this. Obviously, some senators have no idea how piracy works. Piracy starts with 'the scene', a group of people who obtain copyrighted works direct from the source or extremely close to the source (such as from a DVD manufacturing plant or from a private screening of a movie) and upload these works to highly clandestine servers, usually located a residence. They share them among each other until someone takes a copy and shares it to the world, usually via a private BitTorrent tracker. Then they take it and upload it to a popular P2P site like thepiratebay. What this bill does is essentially grant the government power to remove sites that host foreign and domestic HTTP links. It doesn't stop piracy at all!

This bill is a total flip-flop of what it's 'supposed' to do in the first place, just like most other bills passed since the Patriot Act.

Maybe you should try reading what SOPA would actually mean for the internet. It's all about big corporations trying to control our life more and more, from what we read, to what we see on tv, and now they're after the only place they haven't been able to control enough yet, the internet. It's not a coincidence that all SOPA-supporters in congress and elsewhere are sponsored by big corporations..

With respect, your post reads like propaganda. It has a common enemy, goes on a tirade about government control, suggests that all the opponents are evil & crooked in some way.

Do you really believe this is a giant conspiracy against the 'little people'?

Why do only big corporations benefit? (What about small ones, proprietors etc)

How does this idea of corporate media-control even apply here? Are you suggesting that Walmart, Nike etc are going to bring down Google and jump into the market?

Originally Posted by Iqen

With respect, your post reads like propaganda. It has a common enemy, goes on a tirade about government control, suggests that all the opponents are evil & crooked in some way.

Do you really believe this is a giant conspiracy against the 'little people'?

Why do only big corporations benefit? (What about small ones, proprietors etc)

How does this idea of corporate media-control even apply here? Are you suggesting that Walmart, Nike etc are going to bring down Google and jump into the market?

Who said anything of a giant conspiracy? This is a bi-partisan issue; conservatives hate it and liberals hate it. It's the minority that likes this issue, and that minority is the politicians who get paid and the corporations that profit (even though it won't actually help them) from it.

How it decreases freedom: The corporations and the courts are given the power to delete Web sites with links to either domestic or foreign Web sites with copyrighted material on it, whether or not the material complies with fair use. There is no appeals process.

An independent artist who uploads their covers to Youtube could be in danger of having their entire Youtube account deleted since their Youtube will have links to the covers. It actually puts Youtube, the entire website, in danger of being deleted since it has that single cover of that single copyrighted work. That independent artist won't be discovered because of it.

A person who wants to talk about a piece of music and posts the link to it on Youtube on Facebook is in danger of being prosecuted for copyright violation because they have a link to their profile, which has identifying information. It puts Facebook at risk of being deleted because that site contains that link to that Youtube video.

Do you understand it now? This isn't propaganda: they don't cover this on Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, or ABC News. Both CNN and News Corp. are in favor of this bill. Viacom is in favor of it. It's about keeping old business models intact while the world is evolving rapidly. They are trying to get around the problem of competing with piracy instead of actually developing an effective business model to give users like myself a more favorable solution. I don't feel bad for downloading music and neither do hundreds of millions of people worldwide. Lots of people MAKE MONEY off of freely distributing their music, why can't the big corporations? The answer: THEY CAN. They just don't want to change.

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Sounds like you see the world as a battle between elites & everyone else. Your last paragraph dictating 'how big corporations should change' is especially hairy (I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate someone doing the same against your business)

Anyways these arguments never go anywhere so I'll stop here

Originally Posted by Iqen

Sounds like you see the world as a battle between elites & everyone else. Your last paragraph dictating 'how big corporations should change' is especially hairy (I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate someone doing the same against your business)

Anyways these arguments never go anywhere so I'll stop here

Great counterargument! Surely there is no way our awesome corporate friends would ever abuse this bill, we should just remove our damn tinfoil hats.

No one should ever want this kind of power in the hands of big corporations. It's not about a battle between "elites" & everyone else, it's about giving greedy people without a moral compass too much power, and we've got plenty of those in powerful positions.

SOPA is BS. It will kill a great fastlane vehicle - the internet.