Thread: Go niche or very very narrow niche?

Originally Posted by Pete799p

I could not disagree more except for the porn part. I have always been very outgoing and never had a hard time finding friends. I am the kind of person that can walk into a bar alone and leave with a new group of friends.

However, on the inside I am a huge nerd. I love talking about business, economics, politics, science, and doing financial analysis. This in addition to several other dorky hobbies fly tying or male crafting as my girlfriend calls it. I bet my girlfriend would be more then happy to tell you this long list of things I left out or not out of embarrassment. I bet she would put what I am doing right now on that list.

I love business, economics, and politics - and am also on this forum. That doesn't make you or I a nerd. It makes you intelligent and interested in intellectual stimulation.

The fact that you can walk into a bar alone and leave with a new group of friends means that you are not a prime candidate for any PUA material I've ever seen (not much other than reading Neil Strauss' The Game). PUA material is marketed directly to guys who have a tough time making friends and talking to girls. Granted, not all of the guys this applies to are losers, but if you have to generalize it - they certainly wouldn't be outgoing, good looking, or socially interesting.

Originally Posted by Cparsons

I love business, economics, and politics - and am also on this forum. That doesn't make you or I a nerd. It makes you intelligent and interested in intellectual stimulation.

I agree but I think part of what makes someone like you or me interesting vs. nerdy is our presentation of these things. The closest example I can think of would be "The big bang theory vs. Good Will Hunting".

I am not too familiar with PUA outside of VH1's Pickup Artist, which I found hilarious, but if he can make a living doing it then I don't see why anybody else can't. And if people are willing to pay him $700 or whatever crazy sum he wants for educational materials then I don't see why you can't take your own slice of the pie. I think some might be underestimating this market in part because it can be an embarrassing topic for many. At the end of the day you might not become a millionaire but the only way to find out is to do it.

I think to do this right and overcome the shear number of scams is going to be through social proof. You are going to have to find a way to prove you can help or review others and prove that they are good. Either way if people can see results and know you aren't a scammer who rewrote somebody else's book they will pay you over mystery.

When I read 'The Game', it depicted the RSD guys as losers who pay models to go with them to their seminars so they can sell. I don't know (or care) if it's true.

There are two reasons a guy would get into the PUA circuit. (1) because they are frustrated with their sex life or (2) because they are frustrated with their love life (e.g. not being able to get a girlfriend, always getting friend zoned, etc.) Truth is, it's not that hard to get a girlfriend (I've had two of em, both of which came to me, and I'm not a good looking guy by any means!) but girls do not gravitate toward creepy, awkward or annoying guys. The point of the whole PUA salesmanship is to make sure that guys get over their own insecurities and become more confident men who get what they want. Does it work? It might; it worked for Neil Strauss (the author of The Game). (If It isn't obvious all I know of the PUA community comes from 'The Game' lol)

The best PUA entrepreneurs make international names for themselves and travel around the world charging exorbitant prices for their services. Mystery (the guy in the $3 fuzzy hat) started off on an old Internet forum. He was a magician by occupation who lost his virginity at 21 to his assistant. He became one of the best PUAs on the forum and decided that he was going to be like Ross Jeffries (he used to sell 'getting girls by hypnotism' seminars back in the 80s and 90s) and sell his services, but only to his friends on the forum. So his friends on the forum paid him so that they could meet him and learn his techniques. Mystery started marketing his packages over the Web and became ridiculously popular in the PUA community. Eventually he was getting gigs all over the US and Canada. He marketed his packages internationally and soon he became an actual star. He ended up having sex with models (he moved to LA, and shit's weird over there) and after he was written about in 'The Game', his popularity just grew and grew. Despite his mental issues and frequent breakdowns, he ended up landing a show on VH1. He's rich and swimming in babes, even though he is just a nerdy Canadian magician with daddy issues.

It's a cool story and we can all learn from it, no matter what problems the individual may have or what he looks like to the rest of us. So what do you do? If you decide to get into the PUA game, you best be marketing yourself on PUA forums

Originally Posted by Cparsons

Men's Health, along with many other, much better funded competitors are already out there to cater to the general men's interest. And they are cheap/free.

I loved that mag, but then figured it's all information of mild quality, repacked over and over. I had this sort of mag in mind, but with content that is strong, useful and the real deal - and definitely not free, but paid subscription based.

Originally Posted by Pete799p

Most girls can get past your nerdyness or whatever it is as long as you treat them right and you have some kind of chemistry.

Exactly. And they're not perfect too, so it's mutual.

Originally Posted by Sky

why not start a PUA review website that interviews various existing and up and coming PUAs. Have video of them in action and your take on it, while performing their techniques with them. Kind of like your their student of the day and your viewers will follow along. You give them free publicity and any conversions from your site, you get paid?

Two reasons:

1. Most of them are absolute losers whose "knowledge" I wouldn't recommend to anyone.

2. Anytime I am tempted to go this easy way of affiliate marketing, MJ's advice comes to mind and keeps me on the right track. His book I can recommend to everyone reading this - worth way more than the price is.

Originally Posted by yveskleinsky

Is there any PUA for women? Perhaps that would be a good spin on the idea. IMO, seems like a lot of women could use help in that area.

Looked into it once, offer is very scarce, if there's any real offer at all.

Originally Posted by yveskleinsky

However, the problem is that I (and most women) don't want quantity, we want quality.

I know. Many of my female friends, who are really quality girls in every sense including looks, have this problem. And since the problem is more WHO to seduce rather than HOW, I'm not sure advice would be that helpful.

Originally Posted by yveskleinsky

I'd like to hear some real tips by some real men as to how to meet some decent guys.

Here goes:

>> LOOKS: Look pretty and sexy. This is what gets our attention, and it's trigger, it's a bait. That's how nature works.
By sexy I don't mean Playboy style, it may even be a turn-off for some guys who will automatically connect
that with low moral qualities.

Sexy can also be much more subtle. You don't have to show even a little bit of skin, if you can show just a little bit
of shape, that's cool. In fact, with my current girlfriend, when we met I saw her in so wide clothes I even had no
idea how she's shaped, but her beautiful eyes and smile seduced me. She turned out to be a total hottie, but even
if she wasn't, I'd be happy.

And just to break a few general girly myths:

Breast size does not matter.

If you think you're fat, you're probably hot as fire. If you think you're obese, then you're maybe fat.

We can't tell if your didn't wash your hair, nor do we care (e.g.if we're in female company and
checking you out, we may get the information "her hair is a mess", but to us you're still hot)

>> FLIRT: A smile is a signal to us.
So by smiling you made your first step and it's up to him now.

To more experienced guys your look will be enough of a signal
(and yes we catch your look). Or when your friend turns to check
us out and report you "is he looking" Or when you start smiling
louder, dancing harder etc

To determined man, your presence will be enough of a signal to
make a first step.

We also want QUALITY. Beautiful women are all around. So talk,
show us your person, your character and your qualities. This is
attractive, and can separate you from infinite number of available
women - so that seeing you again is important.

Originally Posted by yveskleinsky

I could probably walk into a bar and scream out that I want to have sex right now and have a couple of guys line up.

Definitely. This would be a sure way to filter out anyone with any quality. I actually refrain from girls that physically move things too fast - my reasoning is - if this is her style, I'm probably not the first one, nor the 101st one, so why risk?

>> WHERE: Your mention of growing from friendship to relationship is cool. I have experienced this on myself many times and think it's a typical female "pickup tactic". They are just present in my life as friends, we share good and bad, and then slowly they start to get physical. I've been through this scenario over and over and over. I'm cool with it although it ruined some friendships too.

Gym, sports - you have an excuse to say hello to a guy there, and to meet him a bit before considering a date.
Met many nice women this way

Dance classes - recommending salsa if you don't mind passion.

Any classes or courses of whatever interests you - an opportunity to meet and socialize without obligation, and if you like some guy, you know he'll be there the next class too, so you can step up your game

Any social situations where you can interact with someone, and discover more than his physique.
(job - colleagues or clients, probably a bad idea either way, but can be nice and romantic)

Originally Posted by yveskleinsky

I almost got kicked off Match.com

Why?!

Btw. it's good, hope you don't want such a date. If things can be matched
like that, why don't we just exchange our credentials and see if we're soul mates?

Live is live, chemistry is chemistry, and charming guy is the one who charms you,
not the one who wrote it on profile.

Originally Posted by yveskleinsky

but I think there are a lot of people who are wanting something that lasts longer than 24 hours

If you both want to go for a long term, and you click together, this should be a non-issue.


So that concludes dating advice for women that I have Anyway, thanks for brainstorming. Maybe this even turns out to be useful to someone.

Originally Posted by FastNAwesome

I loved that mag, but then figured it's all information of mild quality, repacked over and over. I had this sort of mag in mind, but with content that is strong, useful and the real deal - and definitely not free, but paid subscription based.

Unfortunately, in order to come up with new material every month, you HAVE to resort to the filler that Men's Magazines put out there. Losing weight, adding muscle, gaining confidence, and managing money are pretty simple - and the facts don't change from month to month.

When I realized what a sham these types of magazines were, I immediately cancelled all of my subscriptions.

Originally Posted by Cparsons

Losing weight, adding muscle, gaining confidence, and managing money are pretty simple - and the facts don't change from month to month.

Very true. I just recently switched back to old-school workout (after testing all sorts of fancy ideas) - and it works so much better.

Still I do have idea how to come up with strong, no BS content month by month, but your post helped me greatly in brainstorming it. I'm getting hot for this magazine idea

Originally Posted by yveskleinsky

Now normally I'd get winks and flirts and weird things like that that I never knew what to do with, so I just never responded. On a side note, the winking thing really throws women off. It's like if a guy winked at you at the bar and then just kept walking, and you think to yourself, "umm...okay." ...I just wasn't sure what I was supposed to do with that.

A typical wuss, unable to go all in, but waiting for you to take initiative. Whether in real life or online.

Originally Posted by yveskleinsky

The guy emails me back a one page rant basically saying how people like me suck and how misinformed I am and how I should be more open and blah, blah, blah.

So he's insecure, impolite and pretty much desperate. Yet he managed to give you an impression of a "good catch".
This is why online dating is lame. In real life the guy may be faking it, but online he's definitely faking it.
And girls do too I met 2 girls over facebook, both times photos were heavily retouched, as well as personality.

Originally Posted by yveskleinsky

I call Match.com and speak to some lady in India

I had no doubt where the call center is

Do you think you can do it better then RSD nation or LoveSystems?

By the way, lots have very weird ideas about Pick up in this thread. It's like the book Fastlane, until you read it, your world view is totally different.
Especially RSDnation does focus on making a better you, which means, take of the layers and show who you are.

RSDnation is a sick company and Owen Cook, the CEO, is making a real name for himself. I just don't think anybody can top him.

How are you going to position yourself in the PUA niche?

Are you the guru for divorced men?

Are you the guru for 20 something men?

Are you the guru for 50+ men?

Why not start a Blog in the PUA niche. Build a list and sell affiliate products to them.
Once you've got things going then substitute the affiliate products for your
own products.

warmly

Mark

Originally Posted by Beepers

How are you going to position yourself in the PUA niche?

Are you the guru for divorced men?

Are you the guru for 20 something men?

Are you the guru for 50+ men?

Why not start a Blog in the PUA niche. Build a list and sell affiliate products to them.
Once you've got things going then substitute the affiliate products for your
own products.

warmly

Mark

This is what this thread should be about, I don't know how that trash talk about match dot com got in here.

Just a few points.

First. I don't think the niche is divided by age, in fact, I think it is divided by belief system, people that look for tactics vs people that look for identity change, people that look for a girlfriend vs people that want to be a player... and so on.

Second. It does not matter if he can or can't beat RSD or XXX love company, ideas evolve, who gave a penny for RSD 6 years ago against the magician guy? Probably few.

Third. Like the guy who wrote the book says "stop talking & start taking action" a mental fart is not going to make you a millionaire.