Thread: Occupy Wallstreet Thoughts

i agree with you guys. but where I diverge with your lines of thinking is that to me if your doing well you should want to help others. and countries do have some responsibility towards their citizens. the ones who are well off and the ones who needs help.

if you are making 50billion/million dollars a year, giving 1% or evn 10% to a good cause or to help someone/society in some way then you should do it and I dont think its unreasonable to expect it.

there needs to be programs like welfare and social security and disability and things like that(not run the way they are run now tho lol) not becauase its expected of us to provide it for them but because its the right thing to do.

as someone who has had uncontrollable things happen in my life I am very greatful that not everyone thinks the same selfish ways some people here do. cause id be up shits creek without a boat or a paddle. if you can say nothing has ever happened to you that you didnt have 100% control over you are a lucky few...

I am someone who has had the shitty end of the stick handed to them more times then I can count and I get up and brush myself off and keep going. not to blame other people for my situation. not to expect a handout from anyone, but to succeed and then help other people to realize that they can do it too!

"The measure of a civilization is how it treats its weakest members." Who said this? And is this an acc

"...the moral test of government is how that government treats those who are in the dawn of life, the children; those who are in the twilight of life, the elderly; those who are in the shadows of life; the sick, the needy and the handicapped. " ~ Last Speech of Hubert H. Humphrey


"A nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members." ~ Mahatma Ghandi

ok... prewarning this will come off as a victim mentality post to some.... really I dont see myself as a victim but as greatful for the things that have happened because they made me who I am today.

that being said i will give you a few examples of the kinds of things I am talking about.

I chose to have sex when I was 22. yes this was my choice. I got pregnant. accident oops. I decided to continue the pregnancy rather then terminate.

simple choice from here all I thought was ok do I keep the baby or give it up for adoption. I chose to keep the baby.

found out I was pregnant 9/3/99 got pulled out of work put on bedrest 9/23/99. that was it... now still the choices seemed simple. the consequesnces seemed up front and open. have a baby life changes life goes on and I will go back to work after I had the baby.

fast forward 9 months. 10 days after, i went to my work and they showered me with baby gifts and passed my baby around I got a cobra letter in the mail saying my services were no longer required. the entire time I was pregnant I had constant contact with them and noone ever said anything.

so here I am baby no job health insurance ending and terminated 10 days after giving birth. (while still on a paid disability medicial maternity leave)

shortly after the birth and getting fired I started having back issues. and found out not too much after that I have a degeneritive disk condition and will be in pain for the rest of my life. 12 yrs later still unable to return to work, since 1999, had no clue what deciding to keep my baby would do to my life.

most people would think they understand the consequences of having sex... betcha none of them ever had a inkling anything like what happened to me could happen.

ya theres pleanty of decisions in there I could have made differently but you make decisions based the knowledge you have at the time.

it may have changed some things it may have happened later but the point is no matter what my choice was eventually It was likely I would end up right where I am now.

I worked all my life from the time I was 12 yrs old. I quit school and started working full time at 16. I became disabled at 23. because my back is screwed up do to a decision I made does that mean I dont deserve my ssd? I paid into it by busting my ass for almost 11 yrs. in my opinion I didnt do anything wrong. and yeah things may have ended up differently had I made different decisions probably. does that make my decision to keep my daughter wrong?

sometimes there is no right or wrong. theres just people. living life. and shit happens. I believe its only right to make accomidations for things that could happen to anyone of us...

accidental pregnancies can happen to just about everyone. the only sure 100% way to not get pregnant is to not have sex and I am guessing your not a celebate person so your lucky.

and arent you a guy?

so you can never be pregnant.

the being prenant part is my fault and your right I did admit that. the consequesnces that have lasted 12 yrs were the surprise. lol well except for the children part they would be here obviously.

but the bedrest at 4 wks getting fired from a place that had fought to keep me previously due to my value to the company. the fact that they bought me baby gifts and then mailed me a form informing me I was fired was definatley an unforseen consequence and the fact that I had a good job I loved with great health benefits was one of the main reasons I decided to keep her in the first place.

the fact that I became permantly disabled as a result of the pregnancy was not something that even occured to me on any level.

I grew up in a low income house too. there was no car for me when I turned 16. I wasnt even allowed to get my drivers license untill after I was 18 and moved out. there was no college fund no sweet 16 party. when I got my first job I started at 12 yrs old (because we were on food stamps and free lunch) I worked the entire summer and bought all my own school clothes pretty much from then on. I had to start providing for my own needs myself as soon as I started working regularly when I turned 14.

I came from a home of divorce where there were 2 other kids there and my mom worked as a cashier midnights to provide us with a place to live and electricity.

as I said in the begining of my post some may consider it victim mentality post but its my reality. I dont wallow in it I dont apoligise for it and I dont want people to feel sorry for me thats not the point. the point is. as I said and I will say it one more time and then I am done.

Originally Posted by CarrieW

sometimes there is no right or wrong. theres just people. living life. and shit happens.

Could it be as simple as Victim Mentality? I belive so.

also

We are a generation that is thought by young age to thrust in the system. The system will take care of you. Which is obviously not necessarily true.

I don't live in america, but its good for you guys who do. While people are whining hippie style, this give you an edge in business, simply by less competition, and when the victim generation grow up and get some kids to take care of, you might get some cheap labor.

My 2 cents.

Originally Posted by RyanDrake

Nobody deserves anything for the simple reason that they exist.

actually I disagree with you on this one.

everyone that exists deserves something. they were brought into this world and should recieve certian things in order to grow and thrive. I dont believe that this responsibility rests soley on the people who brings life but by everyone who enjoys it. at least in civilized society. they have said for a long time it takes a village to raise a child. no man is an island entire of himself.

what you want to give/allow people to recieve is the basic human needs provided for because if god forbid it was for you or someone you loved you would expect nothing less.

I cant believe how cold some of you guys are.

Originally Posted by MediaMonty

Complaining and blaming it on the world, government, or corporations will not improve a single thing, and that's why I feel strongly against the protesters.

idk if they are blaming them so much as making the point they shouldnt allow it to be happening in the first place.

WTH - feels like this thread has become a bunch of trolls...

After three pages are arguing, agree to disagree and focus on your fastlane strat.

Originally Posted by 77startup

So you're suggesting population control? Regulation of life itself

where did I say that lol?

Somebody who doesn't make a significant amount of money through their own efforts, has no right to tell (or even suggest) to other people who do make significant amounts how they should be spending THEIR money.

Originally Posted by 77startup

"I dont believe that this responsibility rests soley on the people who brings life but by everyone who enjoys it."

If the above statement is true then that means it's up to society to regulate life it self and insure all life istaken care of. Which also means that society will have to have a means of eliminated unwanted aka life that does not fit into the system as well like they do in China.

It's impossible to provide for all life without destroying society unless you also control the amount of life at any given time.

one thing doesnt equal the other. and I totally disagree. we will see how well that process of elimination goes in china in the near future now that their population is decreasing and theres far less girls around then boys and someone suggests offing the elders to ease the suffering of the working.

just because I believe that society is expected to take care of those who are unable to care for themselves doesnt mean what you said is correct in any way shape or form.

beati I was not referring to individual people. I am refering to the government, big corperations ect... you know the kinds of entities who create the money and the laws we have to abide by and the ones who get bail outs cause they are too big to fail...

Originally Posted by CarrieW

beati I was not referring to individual people. I am refering to the government, big corperations ect...

But corporations are people

they were people/businesses who when they needed help got it.

what goes around comes around.

if some of these companies/government actually agreed to do something to appease these people they would likely earn far more in the long run then they what they spent in appeasments just in increased revenue from publicity about it, or from increased spending as people could begin to breathe again and that would in turn boost the economy.

this has become tiring to me. I have tried and tried again to explain myself but it seems that no matter what I say someone is going to intrepret it wrong or quote it and turn it into something else. obviously I am not going to change anyones opinions on anything so I am done wasting my time.

Originally Posted by CarrieW

they were people/businesses who when they needed help got it.

what goes around comes around.

if some of these companies/government actually agreed to do something to appease these people they would likely earn far more in the long run then they what they spent in appeasments just in increased revenue from publicity about it, or from increased spending as people could begin to breathe again and that would in turn boost the economy.

Only a handful of corporations were bailed out.

How many millions of people are receiving food stamps and special benefits?

Originally Posted by DirectInc_Becky

Thanks for that healthy dose of objectification! Always great to join a new forum and know that it's not inclusive to women.

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