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    Default Best way to negotiate a raise at work?

    Long story short -- I've had 4 job offers in the last 2 months for a slightly higher salary... Between $6k-10k more than what I make now at my W-2 job.

    I'm not in a hurry to leave my cushy job though -- Because I get to work from home, and the new jobs would all be a 45 minute commute each way.

    What is the best way to use these job offers to get myself a better deal at work? I've heard a lot of people do this very successfully in the past... In fact in my company, the rumor is that the manager's ONLY have ability to change your pay if you come to them with another job offer.

    Still I'm a little perplexed at how to approach it.... Do you pull a huge poker-style bluff and go "all in" with a "I'm putting in my 2 weeks notice..." email... Or do you take him asside in a friendly manner and say, "Hey man -- I just wanted you to know I'm getting other job offers and the pay is better... What would you like to do?"

    Interested to hear advice from people who have successfully negotiated a pay increase based on other job offers.

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    Default Re: Best way to negotiate a raise at work?

    What I would do: First make sure you would not mind working for the company making the offer because if you do not get the response you want you may just feel the need to move on. Then talk to your manager and be honest, let them know you want to stay but that because of the difference in pay you need to consider the offers. Then see what he says. Most likely if he/she values your work they will offer to increase your pay over hiring and training someone else also they would probably value the fact that you came to them with what the competition is doing.

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    Default Re: Best way to negotiate a raise at work?

    Quote Originally Posted by BurnBright View Post
    What I would do: First make sure you would not mind working for the company making the offer because if you do not get the response you want you may just feel the need to move on. Then talk to your manager and be honest, let them know you want to stay but that because of the difference in pay you need to consider the offers. Then see what he says. Most likely if he/she values your work they will offer to increase your pay over hiring and training someone else also they would probably value the fact that you came to them with what the competition is doing.
    Almost word for word what I would have written. Great advice.

    The only thing I'd add is to make sure that you are really "in" where you work now.
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    Default Re: Best way to negotiate a raise at work?

    I agree with the above advice but also want to mention the fact that I certainly WOULD NOT go in bluffing and "put in your two weeks" without having EVERY intention of leaving. If they want to keep you of course they'll try to talk you out of it and probably give you more money, but management will never forget the stunt.

    I've seen a few friends stay on at companies after getting talked out of leaving and I don't think any of them were around after much more than a year. It seemed like it was always a bit awkward for them and they felt like they limited their upward potential so they moved on.

    I doubt you plan to be a corporate lifer, so this might not even matter! Just my two cents.
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    Default Re: Best way to negotiate a raise at work?

    I agree with the above posts. Don't put in your two weeks. Just go in and tell them you have had higher offers. Maybe toss in a "I don't want to leave but I really need the extra money for my family" so it sounds like you want to say and its only the money making you leave.

    Give them a chance to match or bump up your salary. If they do or don't you can still stay by saying that you thought it over and you like your job so much that you can find ways to make ends meet by staying.

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    Default Re: Best way to negotiate a raise at work?

    there's a few things that come to mind:

    1. noone is indispensible. ever.

    2. everyone is replacable. always.

    3. do you know if management/ownership is in a laying off mode just after the new year? or are they in expansion mode? This is key info. I don't know a thing about your company, and I've never met your boss, but I can tell you this: if the company needs to cut costs, you've handed them a sweet deal.

    4. I've had employees come to me with job offers whether they were bluffs or not, I'll never know and I'll never care. But after discussions face to face I would make my decision based upon how easily or hard this person could be replaced at a cheaper rate.

    As management ponders rates, insurance costs, vacation costs, sick pay costs and other associated costs/perks vs. training new personnel, an "employee bluff" can actually catalyze a situation if the company needs to save money and make changes.

    The worst part for the employee who is "bluffing" is that there is no second chance. You can't take your bet back if mgmt/owner wishes you good luck in your new venture.

    I've stood up to shake hands and wished employees luck only to tell them to clean out their desk immediately and look for their 2 week severance pay in consideration of the 2 week notice I've been given.

    Your best strategy?

    I would seriously consider negotiating for higher pay rates from the companies who are looking to hire you before going to the boss.

    An extra 10k for an added 1.5 hour daily commute doesn't seem worth it unless you will work less hours.

    shit, a rental property can bring in 10k per year for you at a passive tax rate instead of the obscene income tax rates.... after tax, your w2 10k income will become 7k+/-

    Good luck.

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    Default Re: Best way to negotiate a raise at work?

    First, I would determine if the other job offers even make logical sense, before considering asking for a raise. I always look at time as a value derived from dollars.

    How much will I earn by sacrificing my free time?
    How much will this thing cost me in relative hours of work?
    Will paying someone else to do something for me cost less than the amount of money I could earn in that time?

    In your case, figure out how much you actually get paid per hour of your time, even if you get paid salary. Now, take the increase in salary from the other jobs, but factor in the additional commute times. I don’t know the figures, but I would have to imagine that when you factor in the commute times, you’re actually getting paid less per hour. Of course, if you’re simply loooking at the bottom line and don’t mind driving that much, then go for it.

    That said, I personally wouldn’t even consider a job that cost me that much of my time driving. I can find almost no better way to devalue my life than commuting to a job. Sure, you can listen to motivational CDs or whatever rich people do to maximize the use of their time, but that’s just BS to me.

    As for asking for a raise, I would first determine if it makes logical sense for the business to grant you one.

    Have you gotten a raise recently?
    Have you done anything special for the company recently?
    What have you done to earn the raise?
    How often does the company give raises usually?
    Can the company afford to give you a raise, even if you truly deserve it?

    As a very simple example, I worked at a grocery store 10 years ago, and successfully negotiated several raises over my career there. It was a small store, and I didn’t have a union on my side.

    I constantly sought new opportunities to expand my value to the company. For example, the dairy manager was injured one time, and I asked the boss if I could fill in for him. By the time he recovered, the frozen manager quit. Having shown my competence in managing the dairy department, I asked if I could take over the frozen department and got a substantial raise.

    I would find it rather difficult to negotiate a raise without any leverage. I don’t know your situation, so I don’t know how much leverage you have. I would think that asking for a raise without providing more value to the company is asking for trouble.

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    Default Re: Best way to negotiate a raise at work?

    Thanks for all the responses! Wow -- Good info in these posts... REP+++ to everyone who replied with good ideas.

    To provide a little more background:

    My salary has been decreasing with this company for 5+ years. Each year they seem to take another 5%-10%. I've recently taken on a lot of new duties, and become the subject matter expert for a number of areas that are business critical to the account that I'm on. Our company just reported record profits this Quarter for the company as a whole, but the client that I'm assigned to has been in some financially trouble over the last year... So while the company can certainly afford to pay me what I'm worth -- I'm wondering if they won't use the client's money problems as an excuse. Only one way to find out I guess

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    Default Re: Best way to negotiate a raise at work?

    At my last job, I had the exact same situation, much better offers elsewhere.

    But I really liked my existing job. So I really had a dilemma.

    First step was to get clear about what I really wanted.

    For me this was to stay in my present job, but get paid the amount of the offer.

    I told the company making the offer, that I needed 2 weeks to make a decision and made sure the job would be available in 2 weeks time. They agreed.

    Then I went to my boss and told him honestly about the offer, and I causally mentioned where the offer was from (a competitor).

    I was told there wasn't a hope in hell they would be able to match the offer (it was very sweet, in fact way above what I deserved, but who was I to complain). But he said he would pass it up the ladder.

    A few days later, to the amazement of even my boss, they matched the offer.

    Honestly I think it was more a source of pride that they just didn't want too lose a battle for an employee to the competition.

    This worked for me, not saying the same forces are in play in your situation, but maybe this helps.

    (I should mention that it was also IT related work, but at the time the market was very tight, and companies were having trouble finding good workers. Also I had experience at the new company making the offer as I had done an internship there).
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