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    Default Advice Needed: $100k+ of student loans...

    My girlfriend has just finished school for her PHD in Neuropsychology, and has accumulated over $100k in student loans over the past 7 years reaching this goal. She has practicum & internship still to complete (Probably about another 2 years worth), along with her dissertation to write -- and then she can unlock her true earning potential of $120-150k+... But in the meantime she's working as a social worker, making $40k a year for a local retirement community.

    She likes to pay extra on her student loans, because I think it gives her some comfort that maybe some day they will get paid off, as opposed to just being overwhelmed by them. I'm currently taking issue with this strategy, and thinking that the minimum payments may be a better way to go here....

    Since the $100k is financed at a low interest rate, and that interest is tax deductable -- should she really be in any hurry to pay off these loans? Especially before she's started working as a Neuropsychologist? She has $60k of equity in a house (Currently rented with break even cashflow) that could be sold to erase over half of them, if she wanted to -- And that is something we are currently considering. Holding it for a few more years until there is $100k in there is another great option I think may work...

    Let's hear your advice / strategies on how you would address these student loans... I know Kiyosaki and others preach that student debt is not "bad debt", but actually "good debt" since it's in investment in your future earning potential. She will obviously be in the "S" quadrant when she's done, and our long term strategy for her to get into the "B" quadrant may be for her to open her own nursing homes at some point down the road (Specializing in Alzheimers and Dimentia type patients, etc).

    Should she even worry much about these loans? I know the # is huge, but everything is relative, right?

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    Default Re: Advice Needed: $100k+ of student loans...

    You have 2 issues here. You have the numbers side with logic and then you have the emotional, need for security side. It sounds like whatever plan you make up will have to appeal to her safe side. So, my opinion is that you need to work with her to define risk and what is risky.

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    Default Re: Advice Needed: $100k+ of student loans...

    I look at student loans from strictly an interest rate standpoint.... that is the cheapest money you will every borrow!!!

    I make minimum payments. Anything extra can be invested at a higher return.

    However - - - this is also a "relationship" issue. Her money - her debt - her comfort level - her choice?

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    Default Re: Advice Needed: $100k+ of student loans...

    I would set up a debt repayment plan, pay the minimum payments and focus on acquiring assets and/or her starting a "B".

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    Default Re: Advice Needed: $100k+ of student loans...

    The number truly is relative to the profession she is shooting for. I had over 20k and my wife had over 40k in student loans to go into teaching which only pays 40k after 10 years. I pay the absolute minimum I can. 145.00/mth on mine and 250/mth for hers. Basically a small car payment. I would pay the extra towards the equity in her house before I would pay off student loans. If anything ever happened to her the equity is still there to use as she needed.

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    Default Re: Advice Needed: $100k+ of student loans...

    Quote Originally Posted by AroundTheWorld View Post
    I look at student loans from strictly an interest rate standpoint.... that is the cheapest money you will every borrow!!!

    I make minimum payments. Anything extra can be invested at a higher return.

    However - - - this is also a "relationship" issue. Her money - her debt - her comfort level - her choice?
    We are looking to get married next year, and we live together currently -- so she approached me for help on a plan that would provide the best possible outcome for "us" in the long run -- knowing I'm one of these personal finance guys ... And thus I brought it here for my colleagues to help discuss.

    Cheers,

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    Default Re: Advice Needed: $100k+ of student loans...

    I had a much smaller student loan
    (not tax deductable)
    and I hated debt when I had it
    but I didn't pay it back until I was rock solid in my job
    (in her case, making her $120k plus).

    Why?

    Because I couldn't guarantee I'd always get such a favorable loan.
    Until I knew all my big expenses were behind me
    (at that time, professional dues almost crippled me,
    not to mention first and last rent),
    I left my little nest egg for those emergencies.

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    Default Re: Advice Needed: $100k+ of student loans...

    Referring back to RK's basics, I like to compare assets to liabilities for much of my financial decision-making.

    The loan is obviously a liability, so you would ultimately like to be rid of it. But, it is a substantial liability based on her income and asset level. If she threw everything she had at the loan, it would still carry a balance. At that point, she would have to 100% use her paychecks to 'guarantee' the re-payment of the debt.

    That would not give me a safe feeling at all...knowing I had nothing to fall back on, but still had a big hunk of debt latched on.

    Of course, her home is a liability as well, since it takes money from her, but if she did have something major come up it's there to sell with some gain...making it an asset (minus taxes).

    To me, it looks like this:

    If she sells the house and puts the gain 100% toward the loan, she:

    A) has 2 more years of potential debt accumulation while earning 'low' pay
    B) has no potential asset in the house in the event of an emergency
    C) still has roughly $40k + in the original loan.
    D) Will not feel any 'safer'...perhaps the opposite

    If she pays the minimum pmt, she:

    A) will maintain good credit
    B) will still have the house that may make a larger profit in the long run
    C) Can deduct the interest paid
    D)Will feel safer knowing that she is building assets more rapidly than she is taking down her debt, ultimately getting her 'ratio' more in line with where she wants to be in the future. This is assuming she is investing the amount she would otherwise add as extra payment money.

    This is my 2 cents...I'm sure others have more experience, but I see it this way.

    Good luck helping her. It's nice that she trusts you...good place to build a relationship.

    - John

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    Default Re: Advice Needed: $100k+ of student loans...

    Thanks for the in depth response -- Speed +++

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    Default Re: Advice Needed: $100k+ of student loans...

    No problem...Just started thinking about it and decided to type as I thought. Good luck!

    Thx for the speed.

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    Default Re: Advice Needed: $100k+ of student loans...

    What is the interest rate on the student loans?

    Figure 4%...

    100K 4% payment at about - - - 500?

    Sell house. Take 60K. Invest with hard money lender at 12%. Earn $600/mo.

    Pay student loan with income. Still have 60K when done, plus an additional 100/mo for whatever.... paydown principal more, extra investments, doodads.

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    Default Re: Advice Needed: $100k+ of student loans...

    Yep, I was thinking about something similar --

    Buy a piece of discounted land or property for $25k, and sell it for $50k with 12.9% owner financing. Payment coming in each month would be $549 -- and if they ever miss a payment, you can take the property right back and sell it again, so there is a good chance you'll make much more over the long haul.

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    Default Re: Advice Needed: $100k+ of student loans...

    Mentioned thread to hubby - said, "what are some ideas." He said...

    Call off the engagement!

    I told him to get his own name so he could post his reply w/out tainting me! (he refused)

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    LOL



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    Default Re: Advice Needed: $100k+ of student loans...

    Did you guys ever come to a conclusion on this?

    Also - I seem to remember a thread on RD about the 2 houses. Where are you on that?

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    Default Re: Advice Needed: $100k+ of student loans...

    Quote Originally Posted by AroundTheWorld View Post
    Did you guys ever come to a conclusion on this?

    Also - I seem to remember a thread on RD about the 2 houses. Where are you on that?
    Yep -- She's not going to pay extra on the loans right now... Going to wait until she's at max earning potential to start trying to pay these off.

    Re: The 2 houses -- Hers is currently rented and cashflowing about $50 a month. Nothing spectacular, but atleast it got her into my house without any additional costs. Market is too soft to try and sell right now, but when it perks up a bit -- She's thinking that she'll probably dump it and combine funds with me so we can move into a bigger house. We really need something 4,000+ sq ft with a 3-4 car garage to meet our needs... What can I say? We're a couple of pack rats and we're busting at the seams in a 3300 sq ft'er with 2 car garage.

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