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    Thumbs down Stop and move on or take on the competition?

    The situation im in right now is one of those things that really eats at my motivation sometimes. I had this great idea, it is fastlane for sure and I thought I was the first one to come up with it.

    I did a quick search, didn't find a competitor and went on to put a lot of time into planning how to set everything up. Then this feeling creeps up on me.. did I do enough research? Did I search for competitors hard enough? Well no, I didn't..

    Guess what? I found a small business that was doing what I wanted to do.. Not just a similar thing, no, exactly the business I wanted develop. They even had the same way of charging money for it, they showcased the same problems it solved and they have been doing it for the past 5 years!

    On the bright side... I had never heard of them and I found them by accident (Weird not very related keyword). This got me thinking, I have never seen any ads by this company and I had never heard of them. maybe if I come up with some tweaks (which will be hard thanks to their 5 year advantage) AND market it very good THEN i might have a change on competing with them. Problem: I don't have the money or knowledge to do all that.

    Why is it fastlane? It solves a need, entry is rather high, I would have a lot of control over it, it can be scaled big time AND it's a system that can be automated!

    And oh yeah... I estimate that this 6 employee business has allready made about €8 million,- according to their prices and the number of customers they have...

    I need to motivate myself again, maybe figure out if there is some sort of spin-off to this in another market or something...

    What do you guys think? Develop anyway, and take them on or forget about it and move on?
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    finding competition is good. i would be scared if there was no competition because it means there is no market ( advice from gurus I've heard) . Your goal is to see what they do and do it better in some way, whether its price, service, quality, efficiency, etc. good luck

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    Did Facebook back away and fold when MySpace existed? Did Apple from Microsoft? Google from Yahoo?

    Competition is a sign of a healthy market, I truly believe if you focus on what you can bring to the table and your gameplan the big player(s) have no choice and will have to make room for you

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    Thank you both, fierce86 and Vhwin. I needed a litle peptalk! =) I'll talk to my webdesigner friend and see if he can come up with something to inprove.. I'm also going to test the service of the competitor.. The biggest advantage they do have on me is established connections with the companys that I need aswell.

    I will let you guys know when I have decided and what my plan from there on out will be. Thanks for your feedback!
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    The fact that you didn't know the company existed poses an opportunity to be FOUND by more customers who are looking for their product/service via better marketing. If their profit is 8M Euro with poor internet marketing, why can't you come in a do a better job?

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    That's great news (even if it might not seem that way). Like the others have said having competition is a good thing you just have to figure out how to make your service seem "better". Better could be as simple as your website looking better, or as complicated as figuring out a way to offer more value for the same price.

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    Dude you're in a good place right now. Capitalize on it.

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    If you can bring something to the table that they can't, then you will dominate the market while they either:

    1. scramble to copy your methods or
    2. be stubborn and continue to focus on what they "think" the customers want.

    here's some examples, IMO, why newcomers tookover in their respected market.

    myspace: easy to spam/hack/diffcult to manage/gave people too many choices. Messy set-up.

    facebook: easy to use interface, less spam, simple, tracked people's habits and took information which they used in effective advertising.

    Yahoo: Always gave you one sided searches first, e.g. Search "Herpes" at target.com today! Did little to actually search a topic. More focused on delivering customers to businesses than actually being a search engine. Yahoo is, to this day, still the same. The yahoo homepage looks like a hot mess.

    Google: Simple as fuck. Better search engine as well as developed tools to help analyze the web. Google is more than a search engine, they are a vision. Google is always improving and getting better at improving. Also, Youtube.

    Apple: first home computer, expensive as hell (when I was a kid), bulky, had to conform to apple's programming and usage. Pretty restrictive.

    Mircosoft: Improved and maybe stole the blueprint but made the interface more user friendly. More open ended than apple, allowing for more change and tweeking to the customer's needs.

    Apple (ipod generation): Simplicity and competition gave apple the hunger to beat the living snot out of the Zune.

    Anyways, In short, listen to your customer's needs and excel in an area that your competition is lacking. Being number one is something isn't always a good thing cause alot of times people at the top become complacent and lose sight of what got them there. Tom from myspace is probably kicking himself now that mark Zuckerburg is the 9th most powerful person in the world and he had little money to start as well. An idea is something that is worth more than money. An Idea can't be outsourced although it can be copied, but if you're on a roll and everyone is trying to copy you then you'll always be a step ahead. Focus on the Idea first, the money to fund the idea comes later.

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    I agree. Whats good about being late is you learn from the mistakes from the people before you.

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    Crazy thread... Do it.. If you are worried about one other guy that was hard to find.. You have a tough road ahead of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giles View Post
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    Cool You guys are great!

    Quote Originally Posted by MJDeMarco View Post
    The fact that you didn't know the company existed poses an opportunity to be FOUND by more customers who are looking for their product/service via better marketing. If their profit is 8M Euro with poor internet marketing, why can't you come in a do a better job?
    That was indeed the first thing that hit me. Better SEO and better marketing would probably help a lot. Also there is some room for improvement in functionality and appearance.
    Thanks for the advice M.J.


    Quote Originally Posted by 77startup View Post
    That's great news (even if it might not seem that way). Like the others have said having competition is a good thing you just have to figure out how to make your service seem "better". Better could be as simple as your website looking better, or as complicated as figuring out a way to offer more value for the same price.
    It didn’t seem like good news to me at first but you are right, it might actually be a great thing. I can see what they do and how they do it, all I have to do is improve on that.
    Thank you 77!


    Sky, Gilles and MJ thank you for your very motivational posts! I wasn’t planning on giving up just yet, but all these reply’s really kick me in the right direction. I'm no programmer or webdesigner but i'm going to work on "the" plan some more and I WILL kick some but!

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    I have been struggling with this over on this thread...

    David vs. Goliath?

    I wanted to know what if your exactly the same. Their is nothing different about you at all.

    Allot of MJ's examples were things that got better. Google was better then Altavista. RIO MP3 players sucked and weren't hard to beat. I mean tangibly better, the product, the thing you could touch, use, etc.

    In my thread I looked at the cell phone industry. 5-6 years ago every carrier had their own branded phone, and the lines were blurry who had the better phone. Today, their is only one phone... iPhone. Now what? Everyone is exactly the same. Some of the feel good things are hard to market, if you genuinely offer great service customers will tell their friends which is awesome. But marketing "Great Service" that's tough, most don't believe it anymore because we have been lied to so many times about "Great Service" what is great service anymore.

    So does it come down to price? A constant cold war to the bottom. Free iPhone's for everyone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TadMoore View Post
    I wanted to know what if your exactly the same. Their is nothing different about you at all.

    So does it come down to price? A constant cold war to the bottom. Free iPhone's for everyone!
    There are at least 150,000 plumbing companies in the U.S. Mostly they are exactly the same, and do the same thing. Do you really think that by becoming the 150,001 company that you will lose money?

    Isn't yours 1-1 so 2? humm.

    And no it does not come down to price. If it was then you would be seeing free iphones for everyone now.

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    And no it does not come down to price. If it was then you would be seeing free iphones for everyone now.
    Well Jack to some degree, businesses can be price based. A plumber bidding on a commercial job for a building owner or developer (whose sole goal is to profit) always want the lowest price. Don't get me wrong they want it done right and do not want headaches, but if you do the same quality as the other guy, and your price is cheaper.... we know who's getting the job.

    I think less competitive industries and new products/technologies normally ride the high price wave until others enter... service businesses vs product based businesses i think are very different regarding price.


    Jack i think you said at one point you did pest control, im sure there were many more contractors in your area than companies doing pest control, so you can set the price and/or not have the competition underbid you so much as you would see in a saturated market...do you agree?
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    DO IT!

    Better, faster, and easily accessible - MUCH more than the competition!!

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    I'm assuming you've made the next step by now, since your question was asked at 6am yesterday? I totally agree with doing the "same thing" as the competition, but market the business. Sounds like they have a business with no marketing. Who knows if they're even still in business then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theBiz View Post
    Jack i think you said at one point you did pest control, im sure there were many more contractors in your area than companies doing pest control, so you can set the price and/or not have the competition underbid you so much as you would see in a saturated market...do you agree?
    I owned a pest control company for less than a year, grew it to 3 trucks doing 10-15 houses a day, no matter what I did though I lost $100 bucks a day.

    Personally, I never talked to one customer, and never went to a job. I just thought it would be something interesting to do.

    Had I taken the time to see how the biz really worked, I could of turned it into a million dollar business.. and there were at that time at least 150 pest control companies in town as my competitors.

    The market never gets too saturated.

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    not to go in depth with this, but couldn't the 150 competitors be a big reason leading to you losing $100 per day?
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