Thread: The dirtiest scandal of all time!

Originally Posted by bateati

Lately I've been trying to understand how people can procrastinate so much. They know what needs to be done, but they just refuse to do it.

As someone who is prone to procrastinating, I can't really tell you why. I can tell you why people get distracted, why they consciously chose not to do their work, etc. But I can't tell you why people sit down to work, then convince themselves to do everything else but the task at hand.

It might also be that there is no one real answer. I know sometimes it can be from self delusion "I'll get right to it, but first I'm going to do this..." You say that, you believe that. You don't get to it.
Anxiety can cause you to avoid doing a task in a rather procrastinating sort of way. Afraid to make an important phone call? You can find yourself pacing back and forth, double-checking the number, writing a script in your head, having a drink of water because it'll "keep your voice from cracking". All procrastination.
Some tasks just have a feel-bad aura to them, and it's hard to convince yourself to work through it. Some people manage to do it by concentrating on how good they'll feel after the task is done, and keep motivated through it by concentrating on how nice it is to get each piece of it done along the way. (This just doesn't work if anxiety is your block however.)

Then there's always the lack of discipline. I almost didn't mention this because it seems more like a seperate thing to me, but whatever. If you don't have the discipline to prioratize so you do what you should do before what you want to, it'll let you procrastinate. Double bad if you tend to be self-deluding.

P.S. I know the rest of that kind of conflicts with my opening paragraph, but that's how thoughts evolve, and it's what happens when you don't edit.

Wow thanks for the councilling peeps, really needed that.

I am Godly, especially when I take my top off.

Just like the universe is made up of matter and anti matter, so are people. I like nearly all the people working there, however there are two in particular that need a pimp slap. No one gave that little biatch with "crab meat" on her neck the authority to nose around in my rucksack, nore did I give her permission to read my private diary of notes. If anyone here agrees with such behaviour, you are also as sly as she is, and just the type of person I dont associate with.

Whatever anyone says here that I find irrevelant to my circumstances, I will disregard it, I like to learn things for myself, the hard way.

There is no misperception I had to wait for 35 minutes in order to sort my wages out, everyone is getting screwed over, however they are still new and trying to organise everything, I will give them till next month to sort it out, I have debts to pay.

I am much better than this job, its mind numblingly boring and believe I would find more fun in cleaning shit, I only need till next June, then I will not need this jobs income. I will be making money the lazy way. Its this "I am no better than this job attitude, why people dont move up, or make something of themselves", I am not going be a looser my whole life, it was fun while it lasted.

As you can see I thoughtfully posted some stuff, purely on the assumption that I wont be getting replies from the 5% of wealthy, and that the other 95% are the "fake it till you make it" kind.

I find myself getting frustrated and annoyed sometimes when I talk in this forum, I believed this was a place that wanted to help, but it seems as if many people here negatively test and then assume that it is, what it is, pretty much like what they do at the Warrior Forums, just hide behind the pretences of wanting to help the sheeple, at the same time, they sell them shit.

In all honesty, I am rude and obnoxious, I am starting to second doubt the intentions of this forum, not so much the few good people here, but rather the foundation on what it was built.

For example:

You say dont chase the money, yet this forum is covered in Ads - For the purpose of making money
Then we are sold something.

That seems a bit of a contradiction too, dont you think? If one is wealthy, why the need to want money from ads. Isnt the purpose of promoting a valuable book and helping good enough?

This website promotes the idea of a quick route to wealth, yet every person replies with the same "you have to work hard and it will take time" nonsense. The marketing here seems rehashed, selling the idea of a secret, there is no secret.

If I get banned then so be it, I dont care to be honest, I recieve only 5% of valuable comments.

It seems to me that this blog is also run on the "fake it till you make it" belief

Some peoples opinions here are seriously prehistoric, maybe you should escape from the barn you reside in, take a plane to london and have a look at the real world. I talk too people who used to rob people, there are people in this place that have carried guns, have stabbed people, and done things far worst than steal some fruit, whilst their conscious turned a blind eye. Dont try and knock me for something so petty, it only makes you look petty.

The workforce is simply not like this, and if any of you had been working for the corperate world you would know, snitches get promoted, good hard working people get more hard work. Its a war zone like it is on the streets, its all about survival, doing the least work for the best pay, just look at the managers.

I aint braking my back for no shitty corperate business, who seems to have only done one thing right, "legalise slave labour"

They do everything, all the success and wealth books I have read, say not to. Already 15 staff have quit, its a bad place to be, and is metaphorically speaking, a vortex that sucks good energy from people, just like those creatures in the matrix looking for life to extract.

Yes I must be crazy right.

I talk shit too, everyone talks shit, at least Im not talking shit, when I say am talking shit

I am not believing anything I dont see with my own eyes, too many people hide behind avatars and pretend to be something they are not, sometimes it shows.

This is just a test reply, I like to see if someone would like to throw in some constructive replies, or If I simply get shut up, at least the truth will be known.

Originally Posted by unicon

Don't know about the 1000 words, but there are 959 references in 48 posts by the author to himself. The "I" philosophy looks at the repitition of words as an indicator of narcissim, we all must grow out of our narcissism. The best recommendation one could recommend here is to never you use the word "I" or "can't" in any future posts.

We have a Personnel Evaluation that evaluates growth within the framework of conceptual, human, and technical skills. This is further divided into grading the specifics from the bottom up of transactions, mechanics, organization, management, communication, and conceptual.

The second part of the Evaluation grades Production and Attitude, attitude must always lead production, if production leads the attitude one may take 3 steps forward but always 4 steps back. Attitude is always the proper means to the end of worthwhile production.

Production and attitude are primary indicators of character which can be observed daily in a work enviornment. The character is measured not just in days, months, but years which leads to mastery and real experience.

The author Anthony Robbins uses the modeling to change human behavior over night but real permanent character building is solving problems with the 4 tools of discipline, balancing, delaying gratification, acceptance of the truth, and dedication to reality. With 100 percent discipline all problems can be solved. One already accepts the fact that life is difficult without rehashing it over and over, once one accepts that life is difficult it is no longer difficult, the ultimate paradox.

The whinning in the above posts are almost purposeful confusion, a predictable profile of attention getting posts that in effect go nowhere. The posts are full of contradictions for example cllaiming to "never steal" in one post and to admit to "stealing" in a secondary post. The world hangs on decisions of good and evil, evil and power are mentioned in the posts. Character is tested in the celestial boot camp of life.

It is as if there is a god like arrogance and that the allseeingeye is the higher power here as there is no submission, the paradox is that the seeing eye does more telling than listening.

Healthy narcissism is a structural truthfulness of the self, achievement of self and object constancy, synchronization between the self and the superego and a balance between libidinal and aggressive drives (the ability to receive gratification from others and the drive for impulse expression). Healthy narcissism forms a constant, realistic self-interest and mature goals and principles and an ability to form deep object relations.[4] A feature related to healthy narcissism is the feeling of greatness. This is often used to compensate for insecurity or inadequacy.

Like someone said earlier, in order to change the world, you must first change yourself, I is important.

I mentioned many times I suffered with bad depression, depression causes confusion in the mind, you dont just feel depressed, or you cant just snap out of it. I never chose to be a TMJ sufferer.

http://www.richardwebster.net/freudwrong.html

Maybe its about time to move on from your Freud theories, your social communication would drive a person insane, do you always talk phschoanalysis.

The only thing your right about, is the God like part, we are all mini Gods in a sense, a vessell of expression to project the Godliness, have you never wondered why Egypt had so many Gods? Yet we never here of modern day prophets.

Originally Posted by Allseeingeye

I talk shit too, everyone talks shit, at least Im not talking shit, when I say am talking shit

ASE, talk is cheap.

Your entire post is about everything BUT how to change your life.

You're TALKING.

But not DOING.

This is a community of DOERS.

Yes, many of us are also DREAMERS-- but we also DO.

If you read my posts, you'll see numerous suggestions to DO-- to CHANGE WHO YOU ARE, and HOW YOU LOOK AT YOUR WORLD.

There are a lot of people here trying to help you. But you don't feel that.

Just like your bosses. They're trying to get you to work. Not to undermine their authority.

BTW, if you're doing your little notes AT WORK, even if it's on break, they may be subject to subpoena (or the British equivalent).

How much easier your life would be if you honestly, truly, deep-in-your-heart could feel love for those whom you don't understand, and were willing to do any kind of work, without feeling it was below you.

As long as you have these issues, you're going to have a problem on these forums.

As I've mentioned before-- posters here, in the past, have actually been banned for their "I'm a victim" mentalities. You may see this as some kind of beat-the-workers-down conspiracy. It's not, really.

It's just keeping this place focused, and positive.

-Russ H.

PS You can talk shit all you want. But you're sure wasting your time doing it here.

The best recommendation one could recommend here is to never you use the word "I" or "can't" in any future posts.

I had a phase where I tried to do that for a while. With all the rambling and ranting that comes out of me, avoiding the 'I' word made it look less self-centered, but far more pretentious. Eventually I realized that one can be self-referrential without being narcissistic. It just means you speak through the perspective of the self without it necessarily being a tie to vanity.
... That said, not saying "I" forces you to get pretty creative with the way you talk. It doesn't, however, force you to be non-egocentric. Though I suppose it would be a start!



Just like the universe is made up of matter and anti matter, so are people. I like nearly all the people working there, however there are two in particular that need a pimp slap. No one gave that little biatch with "crab meat" on her neck the authority to nose around in my rucksack, nore did I give her permission to read my private diary of notes. If anyone here agrees with such behaviour, you are also as sly as she is, and just the type of person I dont associate with.
Ok, that's between you and her... You should do what I did in school. I got a lock and looped it between the two zipper tags of my backpack. Why do you even mention her?

I am much better than this job, its mind numblingly boring and believe I would find more fun in cleaning shit, I only need till next June, then I will not need this jobs income. I will be making money the lazy way. Its this "I am no better than this job attitude, why people dont move up, or make something of themselves", I am not going be a looser my whole life, it was fun while it lasted.
June is a long way away. You can keep looking for other jobs while working there. Many places these days are more keen to hire those already in a job.

As you can see I thoughtfully posted some stuff, purely on the assumption that I wont be getting replies from the 5% of wealthy, and that the other 95% are the "fake it till you make it" kind.
Russ responds to you plenty. Kung Fu Steve.. I'm not sure how wealthy he is, but I wouldn't dare insult him by saying he's faking it. Success is more than the bank. ... On that note, just about every active person has responded, which means you probably got a reply, or an indirect reply from that 5%.

I find myself getting frustrated and annoyed sometimes when I talk in this forum, I believed this was a place that wanted to help, but it seems as if many people here negatively test and then assume that it is, what it is, pretty much like what they do at the Warrior Forums, just hide behind the pretences of wanting to help the sheeple, at the same time, they sell them shit.
There's a simple reason for that. People that are trying to help do so in one of two ways: By speaking in a way that would help them, or in a way they think will help you.

...You say dont chase the money, yet this forum is covered in Ads - For the purpose of making money
Then we are sold something.

That seems a bit of a contradiction too, dont you think? If one is wealthy, why the need to want money from ads. Isnt the purpose of promoting a valuable book and helping good enough?
Ads may provide some income. Income pays for hosting, time spent maintaining, then whatever MJ likes to use the excess- if any- for.
"Don't chase the money" doesn't mean not to monetize where possible. I means not to gold-rush towards where other people are having success thinking your presence will just let you snipe some of the success away for yourself. It means not treating your customers poorly so you don't have to spend money to put the service in customer service. It means paying attention; NO ONE is going to pay 50 dollars for a goddamn box of tea, no matter how 'revolutionary' it supposedly is, except the people in your downline because they too hope to sell 50 dollar tea in order to scrape up enough money to buy a car.

This website promotes the idea of a quick route to wealth, yet every person replies with the same "you have to work hard and it will take time" nonsense. The marketing here seems rehashed, selling the idea of a secret, there is no secret.
Is there a secret? There are trade secrets. There are unintentional secrets. (Things you know and assume others do too, when they don't.) But is there a secret that stops you from becoming wealthy? Nah. There are however methods, directions, and outlooks you have to discover or be shown. Fast money doesn't mean effortless money, though it can become effortless once your business is self-sufficient.
Everything does take time, but the amount really can't be calculated. For a new skill, the time taken will be huge. For an old skill you never tweak, the time taken will be very consistent... For you.


If I get banned then so be it, I dont care to be honest, I recieve only 5% of valuable comments.
And yet you only really need to apply one or two of those valuable comments to turn life into awesome. Like it or not, there's a whole shit load of good advice scattered throughout this thread. Enough that I think it should be sticky.


...I talk too people who used to rob people, there are people in this place that have carried guns, have stabbed people, and done things far worst than steal some fruit, whilst their conscious turned a blind eye. Dont try and knock me for something so petty, it only makes you look petty.
I bet most of these people think what they were doing was petty, too. It's a rare person who robs without need, or shoots 'n stabs just for the fun of it. Stealing to eat is the same desperation that fuels the other.. Activities. Purely as a tangent, stealing out of those crimes is the one that most often has no survival need to it.

The workforce is simply not like this, and if any of you had been working for the corperate world you would know, snitches get promoted, good hard working people get more hard work. Its a war zone like it is on the streets, its all about survival, doing the least work for the best pay, just look at the managers.

I aint braking my back for no shitty corperate business, who seems to have only done one thing right, "legalise slave labour"

They do everything, all the success and wealth books I have read, say not to. Already 15 staff have quit, its a bad place to be, and is metaphorically speaking, a vortex that sucks good energy from people, just like those creatures in the matrix looking for life to extract.
The reason it's said to work hard and honest is less about promotion and more about building your own work ethic for when you move on to things you care about. Regardless of where you're working, your habits form all the same. If you do the bare minimum work, you will be of the habit to do the bare minimum work.

I am not believing anything I dont see with my own eyes, too many people hide behind avatars and pretend to be something they are not, sometimes it shows.
Hi, I'm Justin. I'm a lazy dreamer with a long history of anxiety and depression. I have $231 available to me right now and a large list of abandoned projects and uncapitalized million dollar ideas. Right now I have two active projects under way. One is a game I keep running in circles over (it's even more emberassing that I've been doing things for it without getting anything done, than procrastinating!) and the other is a small book that teaches you how to lie I wrote entirely based off tonnes of internet research, reverse-engineering a structure, and a light dusting of bullshit.
Although I'm terrified to admit that it's my work, I will be posting a progress thread on it at some point. Despite not wanting the stigma I expect to come with it, I do believe lying has it's merits and my progress might help someone.
Oh, I also openly swear and don't hide my personality. Image and reputation are incredibly important, but they aren't as important to me as letting people know what to actually expect.

This is just a test reply, I like to see if someone would like to throw in some constructive replies, or If I simply get shut up, at least the truth will be known.
No, it's not just a test reply. It's a long winded rant that spits in the face of everyone who's tried to help you, insults the non-wealthy by suggesting what we say has no merit, like we're some kind of dancing puppets or something instead of reasonably intelligent people capable of formed experience, opinion, and knowledge that might be relevant despite pulling it from non-wealth building sources... What you've said has been disrespectful all around. A test? You seriously mean to insult us by calling it a test?

No need to ban me, I will come back it June when I have made success for myselfs.

Clearly success and failure dont understand each other, it is obvious that poor and rich minds dont mingle well.

The only thing I am abundant in, is my spiritual 33rd nature.

Money, money, f'in money. People kill themselves for money, they kill others for money.

I wish everyone well, and it was good to meet some people here.

Peace

Originally Posted by dispin

Go get one thats as good as you.

Oh wait, you NEED this job because you have debts to pay. I follow up on this in the third to last quote.



The warrior forum is a joke, its not a secret. I dont see how you can compare the two forums. I dont see anyone selling anything on here. There is a section to do so, how many ebooks are there?
Have you seen the section where you have to pay? Wheres that section here? because...

If the forum was chasing money there would be a section for members to pay or you would have to pay to read the forum.

I dont think Ive ever seen someone say work hard for 30-40 years. Did you think you would work one day and it would happen over night?

What do you want. Someone to sit and hold your hand and say. "Do this, to that." Thats not going to happen.
There are multiple ways to create wealth. Find one you like. There is only so much someone can tell you.

How do you plan to do this? I will not need this jobs income. I will be making money the lazy way.
If things apparently dont take time, do it now so you can quit tomorrow.

Do you have an example?

Maybe you hang around with the wrong type of people.

Is it ok for me to go and hit someones leg with a baseball bat because they pissed me off? Should I turn a blind eye because my friend shot someone?

Again, you think its ok to steal fruit but working a basic job is beneath you. Your excuse is that other people do worse things?



Sounds it! I would go bad to your stabbing and gun carrying friends. Thats where you want to be. Not near someone that reads your diary or makes you wait 35 minutes.


I think every member is a human, maybe a couple of monkeys? I dont get what you want to see? You are going to believe something when you see someones face?



I think this is the problem. Youve been unemployed for a long time. Its normal to spend a day do very little. You still get money from the goverment. Now you got a job and wow! You actually have to do something. Its crazy huh? Working for money.

The economy is bad and companies have made budget cuts. They are only hiring the minimum amount of staff and increasing there work load.

Now you have debts to pay so you need the job. This amount of work you have to do is new to you and you dont like it! So you complain over basic things.

You are not the only one. Ive talked to two people that said pretty much the same thing you have. They lost their job because the company they worked for made cuts. Now, months later they have a job. When I asked them how it was going I get a standard reply.

"Its great! The money sucks. Oh and the manager is a complete douche. He made me work the night shift last week! Can you believe that!"

They complain about little things, things that shouldnt bother them. You complain about waiting 35 minutes. Someone read your journal.

If you were cleaning up shit. You would still find something to complain about. "the sponge they gave me is to small. This is an outrage!"





If Im trying to ride a bicycle for the first time. Can I do it straight away? I might have a good run but I will eventually fall because its all new to me. I can put training wheels on my bicycle to help me. My friend can describe what I need to do so I dont fall. When it comes down to it, its up to me. My friend cant do it for me.

I fall, I have to pick myself back up, maybe my friend will help and tell me what I did wrong. I failed at riding a bike. Now, if I look at what I did, lets say I leaned to much. Ive just learned I dont need to lean so much. So next time I wont and I'll do better.

This time I fall because I didnt put my feet on the ground when I stopped. Again I pick my self up and another fail. Should I give up? Im 0-2.
Why would I! I now know I have to put my feet on the ground when I stop. So there. Now Im riding my bike. Still a bit shaky but Im doing ok.

Failure and success might not understand each other, but you can use failure to succeed.



I couldnt have said it better than myself. Maybe this is your problem. You have a poor mind. It doesnt matter want your bank account says, you can have either. Its only up to you to change your mind.

Wow, the perfect brainwashed manequin, your opinions on certain subjects are not that of your own or from your own experience, maybe its about time you sold the TV.

I am not going to justify and waste my energy on such immature views on these matters, and no I dont hang around with anyone but myself, I was reffering to the people at work.

Anyone low enough to read ones private notes is scum.

Why do people pay tax then? You need a politics and economics class! Go and read about the new deal flexible scam before you breathe your cold aired opinions.

An example is yourself, making prejudgments before you know the facts, your the warrior type.

I still cant believe people like yourself exist in this world, Paying tax is one thing, but then complaining about people who use tax is a joke. Thats like moaning that someone is using the NHS!

Yes I agree there are a small percentage of people who cant, dont and will never find a job, but I have been there, and I can assure you that the majority want a job, but dont have the skills or experience to find one, wake up you gov sheep.

I just had to express my own thoughts on your narrow mindedness, it makes me sick.

Hm, I'm almost starting to feel a little insulted. I and everyone else have put a lot of time and effort (time and effort that we take from other areas of our lives) to contribute to you brother. I think if I were in front of you right now I'd shake you and say "Get over it!" If life isn't what you want, MAKE IT what you want. You want to live in a la la land - go right ahead. I have almost unlimited patience for people, but you do have to help the willing. The reason I came from broke in every sense of the word to "success" is because I was willing. I sought out the information, I did whatever it took, no matter how miserable, how hard, how emotionally tough it was for me. I sucked it up.

And I have no secrets, if you want to know where I am at financially and personally just send me a message. I don't mind being called out - I wouldn't be much a personal development coach and motivational trainer if I didn't practice what I preach!

First off I would like to state as a FACT you are the whiniest self loathing mother fucker I have ever seen on this forum and possibly in my life.

You speak of all OUR contradictions but fail to mention any of your own REAL contradictions. If you were so high and mighty you would not be 25 years old stealing fruit to survive .Doing slave labor IS NOT BENEATH YOU, You are NOT to good to do such work.

I have WAY more than you because I worked for everything I have. Anytime I was at a disadvantage which wasn't my fault, I looked at it as it WAS my fault and kept moving my fucking feet towards my goals. You can't change what has already happened so fuck it, drive on.

Your current attitude is exactly why I stopped trying to reason with you and listen to your problems as Steve so graciously took time out of his busy day to do.
I knew you were a shit bag deep inside and your "ban me if you don't like the truth about the forum" opinion is evidence of this as it also is insulting.

Reply with some more of your ill fated logic, I love seeing you complain. It reminds me exactly how I don't want to be.

Originally Posted by bateati

First off I would like to state you are the whiniest self loathing MF I have ever seen on this forum and possibly in my life.

I love seeing you complain. It reminds me exactly how I don't want to be.

Which is actually why this thread has gone on so long.

It's a perfect example of how different the people are on these forums-- how positive, proactive, and progressive they are.

And how much they try to help folks in trouble, when they ask for it.

But as the OP so eloquently points out by example-- all the talk and good intentions in the world are not going to change someone-- if they don't want to change.

-Russ H.

Originally Posted by Russ H

Which is actually why this thread has gone on so long.

This is why the thread is still open and the original poster has not been banned. (Despite violating the rules of "no victims") This is a perfect teaching tool on how to attract poverty in your life.

Want to be poor?
Read this thread and hold this attitude.

If I was to lay odds on your success, or lack of it, yea, my bet will be on you to be ending up in an alley and stealing fruit. We tried to help and instead, you shoved it back in our face. Obviously, your crappy life isn't crappy enough.

ASE I worked in factories for over 22 years as a laborer. It was back breaking work for "the man." I was a bittter, unhappy, jealous person for much of that time. Most of my coworkers were unhappy people too. After seeing that I wasted a lot of my life being that way and getting nowhere, I decided to look for a better way. I changed. I recently went back to the factories for some observation. The same type of people are there. There was a mile between their attitudes and mine even though we were standing 10 feet apart. I could see the disdain and anger on their faces.

I worked and became a school teacher. Now I hear the factory worker's kids spout off the same negative stuff their parents do. I'll tell you what I teach my 10 year old students:

Your reality is not everyone else's reality. That does not diminish anyone's life or circumstance, but do not try to project your reality on others. When you come to realize that is true, then you can accept that there may be a better life out there and you may be able to live it.

It must be a cold, dark place where you are now. Good luck ASE.

Originally Posted by unicon

The reason why I posted to this thread was specifically after Kung Fu had seemingly got ASE to change with a well thought out slant on NLP positive reinforcement (modeling) after the long drawn out thread that went nowhere.

I think the real point is that the thread and the complaints have fulfilled the human needs that we all require. The real mistake (on my part) was not trying to develop NEW ways to fulfill these needs.

Why does someone who quits smoking go back to smoking? Why does someone who lost all of the weight go back to over eating? I believe it is because there is nothing to replace the behavior. While not all of our favorite thing - the complaining and argument-starting was a way for our buddy AllSeeingEye to fulfill some needs.

What should have been taught is how to fulfill those needs without bitching or complaining.

For anyone still reading this thread, hopefully it helps to learn that if you want to change a habit, you cannot just eliminate a habit because it fulfills you in some way. You need to install something to replace it that helps meet the same needs.

Through some private conversations, I know for a fact he DID change. I could tell from our conversations that everything had changed, his outlook on life, his joy, he was happy about everything in life. The new opportunity, everything was going well. I won't betray his trust by spilling everything he said but you can tell that something has shifted (even though he has partially reverted back), because he got off his butt and started his website, he got the job, and he is working! I believe the AllSeeingEye that started this thread wouldn't (and couldn't) have held the job.

My post accelerated and surfaced the extent of the dysfunction which was specifically to show Kung Fu that the behavior here is way beyond impotent self-destructive narcissism. You cannot grow anything on arid ground.

I have unlimited patience for people. I'm not upset because I have been in that position too. I have been down, I have lived in the shadows, I have been far deeper then he will ever be. So I understand the behavior. But I am who I am because I care when no one else will. I have gotten kids off of drugs, I have got drop outs back into school and helping them to achieve academic excellence, I have gotten adults to turn their lives around from bankruptcy, from depression, and from just about everything else. Now I will be the first to admit my buddy here is a little coo-kee but aren't we all? I've dealt with far worse. When I get to the dojo later today I know there is going to be some of the adults where I will undoubtedly say "greeat.... now what do they need..." But I don't believe anyone is beyond helping if they want it. We could argue about if he actually wants help or not. But I'm getting a little off topic here...

This was expected, in fact Kung Fu felt a "little insulted" - I believe this is an understatement.

I'll take that as a compliment

Hopefully Kung Fu can learn from this although I expect he learned from his very civil response to an uncivil and ungrateful person.

I'll also take that as a compliment

This behavior problem is not rocket science! It is obvious! ASE does not need NLP he needs an exorcism!

While hilarious and made me laugh quite a bit, I don't think any of the insults or back-handed comments help this thread (whether ASE, or anyone else reading it). I'm a tough love kind of guy but you won't ever see me insulting someone.

A study of work and courage and only HE can do this!

A fantastic comment, Rep+


I think, like some of the moderators have said, this thread has so much insight into a few things; the mentality of wealth, but also how unhappiness starts.

Success leaves clues, but also you can learn just as much from failure. When I was down and out and working for people I absolutely hated I told myself "I'm learning how NOT to act", "I'm learning how NOT to do things", "I'm learning how NOT to treat people"

Wow...ridiculous.

1) Unfortunately, I hear this so much with people my age (25ish). I went to a private college with many people who had very wealthy families and their parents paid their way/gave them unlimited credit cards to "play their way" through school. Now that we are out of school, none of them have jobs and blame the economy/no jobs out there, etc...

I had a job before I even graduated. I started searching in October of my senior year though. By March, I had an offer. It was work. It was hard work. I knew the city I wanted to be in and I had to skip out on Friday night parties because of an interview that I had that afternoon or coffee meeting early Saturday/Sunday. It sucked, but it was worth it 100%. I have a job and those who expect it to fall in their laps do not.

And you are NEVER above shit labor. It is a person's duty to themselves, their family and their lives to survive and never for once compromise your morals. I started working on our dairy farm when I could walk but my first real job was at a local Taco Bell, started off cleaning toilets, worked there for 4 years and moved up to shift manager...and I loved it. It gave me independence, more than anything.

2) This forum is one of the best I have ever come to. I am not wealthy by any means but I am a doer. A bit slow going because of my failures, but a doer nonetheless. I had a very rough time, just like you are having right now about 2 1/2 years ago. I came here like you did (you could probably find the thread if you looked). And they had the best advice I have ever gotten. Tough love. It's life...deal with it. Pick yourself up by your bootstraps because there are millions of other people in the world who will not breathe another breath today and other millions who won't eat for weeks.

I took that advice. Now I couldn't be happier. I have a great woman who I intend to marry. A personal residence and a rental property. Two of my own companies that I am slowly growing and a secure job to finance my expenses until my companies can take over with the income they bring.

And a large part of that is thanks to the people on this forum. The success stories and their constant optimism is truly an inspiration for me. If I EVER feel just one bit bad about myself, I come here and start reading. You really can't find better quality people than here. Above all, they have integrity and that in itself is the definition of success and riches.

I hope that you can see their advice for what it is and not what you are perceiving it to be. These guys are some of the most supportive people business world but they won't baby you. I truly hope that you can understand what they are trying to say.

Best of luck to you,
Josh