Thread: Education System FAIL!!!

Private school being cheaper then public school demonstrates the real problem with the behemoth government. However, I do not believe the problem can be fixed by complete privatization of the school system. For profit schools will eventually lead to higher prices and lower quality. Look at walmart.

I think that every career school politician should be fired. School bureaucracy should be eliminated to cut costs and mandated crap curriculum should be eliminated. Teachers should be free to teach what they think is best and if parents do not like it they should be able to place their kids somewhere else. The best teachers should be given the biggest class rooms so they can impact the most people. If you are a shitty teacher then nobody will take your classes and then you will be out of a job. When I was in high school the only class we got to choose our teacher for was gym. But they capped the classes so somebody inevitable got stuck with a bad teacher. Coincidentally they were always the last to fill. One of the teachers was so bad that a petition was sent out to have her removed and in response they moved her to North Campus instead of firing her. Natural selection. We could take this further and base a teachers salary on how many students he impacts instead of how long he has been teaching. Ten-yeared teachers who cost a lot of money and no longer care because it is almost impossible to fire them would become a thing of the past. Teachers who fail to inspire their students and continue to treat them like crap will not be paid the same as a teacher who pores his hart and sole into his curriculum with the hopes that his students will leave his class better then when they came in. I have experience with the best and worst teachers and have found that no matter what the subject a good teacher can make it a good class.

It's kind of funny, my dad to this day still tells me my problem with school was that I went to school expecting to learn something useful instead of playing the "game".

The school system is just a bunch of bullcrap.

High school has taught me absolutely nothing so far. I either knew it or forgot it.

They give you all the formulas in math but they dont teach you whats actually behind it. How to use it in the future, the history behind it, etc.

It's just remember this, get the grade, and move on.

I suggest reading John Taylor Gatto's "Wepaons of mass instruction". This book opened my eyes on education the way MJ's book opened my eyes on money.

There is no question that public schools are substandard. They're designed to turn out drones for the assembly lines and corporate grunt jobs. Furthermore they're forced to do stupid stuff like teaching to high-stakes tests, and they spend way too much time doing non-educational stuff. And when they ARE teaching, it's often rote memorization.

I have two kids in high school and my brother and sister-in-law are teachers. I have a very good idea of what schools are like. You'll almost never find a teacher who teaches things like critical thinking, problem-solving skills, personal organization, or any of the skills that are GENUINELY needed in life.

But you're stuck in there. Now it's up to you: you can waste your time bitching about how lame school is, and get almost nothing out of it. Or you can MAKE GOOD USE of your time and MAKE school useful. Propose some independent study projects. Take advanced courses that challenge you. Find a mentor who will help guide you into the areas you're interested in.

As always in life, it's up to YOU to grab all you can out of school. There are fastlanes and sidewalks in school just like there are in life. Which do you want to be on?

Actually many privately-run colleges are good examples of govt being more efficient than private. The for-profit college sector (Apollo, CollegeAmerica, etc) is terrible. Their whole business model is based on getting Title IV govt funding for student loans. Then according to a study I saw, only 9% of that govt money actually goes to education. The rest went to corporate officers, stock buybacks, etc. Their students default on loans at nearly 2x the rate of other schools. And I can't find the numbers on it now, but the studies I've seen says the students from the private for-profit colleges are significantly less successful after graduation. These schools seem to be designed to squeeze money from the govt teat, NOT to do a good job educating students.

Private college its fastlane business but still its a slave factory.

There are a number of drawbacks in education sector specially in less developed countries.We may understand that without education we can not do any thing else and the last thing is that in our education we must also add practical life experiences in form of short jobs and internships so student may learn the realities of life too.

Originally Posted by garyfritz

Actually many privately-run colleges are good examples of govt being more efficient than private. The for-profit college sector (Apollo, CollegeAmerica, etc) is terrible. Their whole business model is based on getting Title IV govt funding for student loans. Then according to a study I saw, only 9% of that govt money actually goes to education. The rest went to corporate officers, stock buybacks, etc. Their students default on loans at nearly 2x the rate of other schools. And I can't find the numbers on it now, but the studies I've seen says the students from the private for-profit colleges are significantly less successful after graduation. These schools seem to be designed to squeeze money from the govt teat, NOT to do a good job educating students.

Clearly this is true. Although, to be honest, there is still a problem with colleges across the board.

I think, ultimately, the problem is 99% of schools are not honest about what the degree means for students. They let students in and promise them the world, you know, because education will guarantee you a job, right?

The sad reality is... schools just keep pumping out graduates and none of them can find a job. Yet you don't see any schools, private OR public, really limiting admissions and cutting back. I'll be honest, there is also a problem with society forcing everyone to go to college and because everyone thinks it's necessary and it's so easy to get the loans to go, common sense gets thrown out the window.

Now, at least some schools are affordable and some kids actually want to learn and even get degrees that are applicable to a job they have a likelihood of attaining. But that's a minority of college students.

The system is screwed.

It is probably worse in the UK. Schools drive kids onto "mickey mouse" courses to push up pass rates.

Fortunatley I left school at 16 and have just recieved a job after one year at trade school.

Luckily, not many people can hop onto a lathe, injection moulding, milling or CNC machine so this is a pretty secure job.

Obviously I don't want a job. Hopefully I can start a manufacturing business when I finish my apprenticeship, in the mean time I am brainstorming ideas constantly and also plan to start a small business very soon.

Originally Posted by Runum

Don't be so sure about your job security there. 20+ year machine shop veteran here. I have programmed, set-up, and run CNC lathes, mills, plasma cutters, etc. I have also been a tool maker, fabricator, and welder.

There are many ways to be phased out of manufacturing. Your job is always up for the lowest bidder. Your job can be outsourced worldwide or they can pay a bonus for you to run two machines and put another guy out of work. Your competition is the guy next to you and the guy on the other side of the world that makes a tenth of your salary and no benefits. I have seen some extremely talented guys lose their job overnight. In the end it won't matter how good you are, your costs to the company is what matters. I wish you well, but don't get too comfortable.

If you want to know more about my shop experiences, shoot me a PM.

I agree with you completely.

and thanks for the offer, I will PM you later with both business and maybe general manufacturing/workshop questions.

The sort of thing I need help with understanding is how do manufacturers get their name out there, find clients and recieve long-term production contracts (even if you were an employee surely you could give some advice regarding this).