Feeling useless today

[Jojo]

Hi!

I'm a 19 years old college student, or at least was until a few days back. I dropped out for this year, since I thought I haven't chose the right education and will be going to a different one next year. The one I chose would really require 100% dedication. Especially since I'm not the engineering type of guy I would require extra hours of hard work. Our college is free as long as you don't fail 2 times. So no harm done this year.

I come from Slovenia. Our standars are pretty low considered to other parts of EU. Average yearly income is about 12k€, as a working student I probably wouldn't make more than 800€/month (considering I'd have a nice job and would be able to work 8 hours a day).
The next thing is that getting a job is not as easy, especially if you don't have any kind of previous experiences.
I also have my own, bigger plans, but working every day until 1, 3, 5pm would still leave me enough time to work on that. I don't have a girlfriend or anything, lol *cries*.
I don't want to be one of those kids who just sits at home doing nothing, living with their parents until their 30s.

I have a plan about playing poker for a side or maybe full income. Many might think it's gambling and a game of pure luck, but they are wrong. Sure there is luck involved, but it's not like blackjack or any other casino games where the odds are against you from the start. I'm still playing the smaller stakes, and I'm one of those bad players who play very little when they are playing well (and then procrastinate), and a lot when losing, which leads to bad plays, which leads to even bigger losses (which is what happend today). I think I have the skills to beat the small stakes, only need more discipline.
You still have to lose from time to time. Even the best players in poker don't always win. if the bad players would never win, then they wouldn't play. But it still fells bad losing.

I also tried some software, website development and 3D modeling, but coding and art really isn't my strength. Although I am a computer guy, coding is really too much for me. I get lost so fast at the beginning and when I see some of the codes for finished software I just kind of lose interest. And about art..well, my skill level is and always was very low.

I do enjoy sound (music) production, but my computer is not really good enough to run any of that software. I will definetely buy a better one, when finances allow it.



Anyway, sorry for the long post. Today after my poker game went pretty bad, I lost internet connection for a couple of hours (thanks to our shitty provider) and started feeling kind of useless. I thought I would get some sleep for a couple of hours and it would pass, but it hasn't really. It was the first thing that came to my mind when I woke up.

I think I'll start reading The Millionare Fastlane book, since I've read some good reviews about it on the forum.

Thanks for reading

 

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[Ninjakid]

Do you see the problem with your attitude? Everything you've described has something to do with how you can't do this, or you can't do that, or you don't have A so you can't do B.

"he who thinks he can, and he who thinks he can are both usually right" -Can't remember who said this, and don't feel like looking it up.

You're as useless, or as useful as you tell yourself. Pretty much everyone at some point in their life had no means to achieve their goal, but planned on doing it. Many people here had no skills and no resources at some point, but still they made things work to their favour.

Get on your feet, and make something happen.

And when you do, post the results as a progress thread. Be looking forward to seeing it.

 

[smarty]

Do you see the problem with your attitude? Everything you've described has something to do with how you can't do this, or you can't do that, or you don't have A so you can't do B.

you mean this

 

[Mr.B]

"he who thinks he can, and he who thinks he can are both usually right" -Can't remember who said this, and don't feel like looking it up.

It was Henry Ford. The quote is "The man who thinks he can and the man who thinks he can't are both right. Which one are you?"

@Jojo read The Millionare Fastlane a couple of times and please do read the "Astonishing Secrets" thread that @smarty posted above.

 

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[Jojo]

Thanks for the replys and the material.

Do you see the problem with your attitude? Everything you've described has something to do with how you can't do this, or you can't do that, or you don't have A so you can't do B.

"he who thinks he can, and he who thinks he can are both usually right" -Can't remember who said this, and don't feel like looking it up.

You're as useless, or as useful as you tell yourself. Pretty much everyone at some point in their life had no means to achieve their goal, but planned on doing it. Many people here had no skills and no resources at some point, but still they made things work to their favour.

Get on your feet, and make something happen.

And when you do, post the results as a progress thread. Be looking forward to seeing it.

This was really helpful. It helped me notice the problems with my attitude when I read my post again.
I will definetely put more effort into achieving my goals and face any obstacles, rather than giving excuses.



Thanks again

 

[AgainstAllOdds]

You definitely need a change of attitude. Stop being the victim, and start kicking a$$ and taking names.

Ask yourself: why are you quitting all these things you start? School - you dropped out because it was hard. Computer programming - too hard. "Art" - too hard. Getting a job - too hard.

From what I've read, it seems like you're avoiding things that are hard, and trying to head toward things that are easy. Well here's a wake-up call: everything worth achieving in life is hard to get to. Stop avoiding hard work!

You creating an income from poker sounds ridiculous. In my opinion, you're playing poker because you think it's easy to make money with. In your post, you purposefully ignored the fact that you're losing money, and justified that poker is a good way to spend your time, because it's "not just a game of luck". However, you then go on to say that you're losing money. Well here's another wake-up call: getting good at poker is hard too!

Stop justifying your avoidance of hard things, and start doing them. You won't get anywhere in life, and won't live the way you want until you make some sacrifices.

 

[Journey2Million$]

Your attitude is terrible, but poker may actually be a good option for you. You may become good at it someday.

You are going to be a big loser for the rest of your life if you avoid doing hard things. That is extremely lame and you cannot do that unless you want to be a total failure. Doing hard things is what makes people successful or even just be able to deal with life.

You have a dumb excuse for quitting everything. Stop making excuses and start taking responsibility.

I think you are still acting like a baby because you're only 19 and have always depended on your mommy for everything. You have to grow up and be a man. Be a warrior not a wussy.

 

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[Jojo]

You definitely need a change of attitude. Stop being the victim, and start kicking a$$ and taking names.

Ask yourself: why are you quitting all these things you start? School - you dropped out because it was hard. Computer programming - too hard. "Art" - too hard. Getting a job - too hard.

From what I've read, it seems like you're avoiding things that are hard, and trying to head toward things that are easy. Well here's a wake-up call: everything worth achieving in life is hard to get to. Stop avoiding hard work!

You creating an income from poker sounds ridiculous. In my opinion, you're playing poker because you think it's easy to make money with. In your post, you purposefully ignored the fact that you're losing money, and justified that poker is a good way to spend your time, because it's "not just a game of luck". However, you then go on to say that you're losing money. Well here's another wake-up call: getting good at poker is hard too!

Stop justifying your avoidance of hard things, and start doing them. You won't get anywhere in life, and won't live the way you want until you make some sacrifices.

I kind of said that I dropped out of school, because I haven't choose the right education or "path". That the subjects do not interest me. And yes it is a hard school, So even if I made it I would most likely end up with a job that does not interest me.

About getting a job I did not mean that it's hard to work, but it's hard to find a job. I don't know where you're from, but as I hear some people say that you can always work at Target or somewhere and get that 200$ a week. Well, we don't really have it like that.

I never said I'm losing money at poker. At least I hope it didn't sound like that. I said that I had a bad run today, when I lost money. That does not mean I'm losing in the long run. If I said poker is not a game of luck and that I'm losing money, that would clearly mean that I am a losing player. I said I play a lot when losing, because I try to chase my losses and little when winning, to secure my winnings and that I lack discipline.

 

[Jojo]

Your attitude is terrible, but poker may actually be a good option for you. You may become good at it someday.

You are going to be a big loser for the rest of your life if you avoid doing hard things. That is extremely lame and you cannot do that unless you want to be a total failure. Doing hard things is what makes people successful or even just be able to deal with life.

You have a dumb excuse for quitting everything. Stop making excuses and start taking responsibility.

I think you are still acting like a baby because you're only 19 and have always depended on your mommy for everything. You have to grow up and be a man. Be a warrior not a wussy.

I don't really see how you can give solid advice on how my attitude is terrible, when you're using such hateful language?

I think I should've left my age out of this, since I'm probably being taken for something less, considering I'm probably younger than many here.

 

[theag]

I don't really see how you can give solid advice on how my attitude is terrible, when you're using such hateful language?

We are all about tough love here. You better grow a thicker skin if his post offended you. The real world doesnt care about your feelings.

As you said yourself, read MJs book. It will explain a lot. Until you finished it, please stop playing poker. You will need the capital to get started on your first real business.

 

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[WorldImperator]

Jojo,

While i briefly read your post, so I will just make a one note.
Yes, you can indeed make a money playing poker, but going to the level or really big money will take you two-three years, upon which you will have to become a no-life guy.
5 years ago it was hard to get into NL50 not talking about higher stakes, not know how is today's, as I stopped being active since 2011. Most probably is far harder to beat NL2 than few years ago.

If you want to treat it as a hobby and fun, it's ok, if for money, it's a full time job, which will take tons of learning, maths, skype chatting and spending many dollars on private coachings on the higher levels.

I was active in this society in three yers, but realized than if you are not doing it as half of your life, than you will not get to the point where you will be earning some real high cash.

 

[Ninjakid]

About getting a job I did not mean that it's hard to work, but it's hard to find a job. I don't know where you're from, but as I hear some people say that you can always work at Target or somewhere and get that 200$ a week. Well, we don't really have it like that.

I actually understand that. A lot of people might just say "get a job", but I think it's a different story in a place like Slovenia than in a developed nation.

I'm curious, why you choose playing poker? Are you actually good at it? Many smart people wouldn't recommend making a living off gambling, but there are people who do it.

I'm just saying, because basically what you're saying here is you're going to drop out of an engineering major to play poker. I hope you know what you're doing. I personally wouldn't recommend it, but that said, you know you a lot better than I do.

 

[Journey2Million$]

I don't really see how you can give solid advice on how my attitude is terrible, when you're using such hateful language?

You probably won't follow any advice from anyone and just want attention.
Now you're making an excuse for not following my advice,
just like you made all those other excuses. I shouldn't even answer any threads like this one ever.Total waste of time.

 

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[Ninjakid]

You probably won't follow any advice from anyone and just want attention.
Now you're making an excuse for not following my advice,
just like you made all those other excuses.

And you're so sure of that because..?

 

[Journey2Million$]

And you're so sure of that because..?

Because I've seen a lot of other people like this guy. They just whine to get attention, exactly the same as a baby crying for his mommy. They NEVER follow anyone's advice. And only a rare few of them ever do anything about their "problems." 99% of them never do anything but whine.

 

[Ninjakid]

Because I've seen a lot of other people like this guy. They just whine to get attention, exactly the same as a baby crying for his mommy. They NEVER follow anyone's advice. And only a rare few of them ever do anything about their "problems." 99% of them never do anything but whine.

Time will tell. He might put his mind towards something and be really good at it. I hope he does. But like anything, we'll see.

 

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[Jojo]

I actually understand that. A lot of people might just say "get a job", but I think it's a different story in a place like Slovenia than in a developed nation.

I'm curious, why you choose playing poker? Are you actually good at it? Many smart people wouldn't recommend making a living off gambling, but there are people who do it.

I'm just saying, because basically what you're saying here is you're going to drop out of an engineering major to play poker. I hope you know what you're doing. I personally wouldn't recommend it, but that said, you know you a lot better than I do.

I guess it's a bit harder to understand if you don't really live like that. But it wasn't always like that here.

Since I turned 18 I always had poker as kind of a side income for cofee, some clothes and now gas when I have my driver's license and a car. That is also pretty much all the money I spend, since I've never really had the urge to spend huge amounts of money. I tried moving up in stakes once, but since it hasn't worked out I jut stickd to the current ones.

I didn't quit college for poker. I quit because I'm gonna transfer to another one. I started this one, because I also finished High school in engineering. I knew engineering didn't really interest me, but I decided to give it one more try.

But now, since that didn't work out and I didn't find a job I decided to try and progress in poker.
My goal was always to open up my own coffeshop / bar and if it suceeded and showed some profit I can always open more on different locations.
I don't know how much an idea like that is welcome here, since everyone is talking about making millions and retiring before turning 30. Mine was kind of more modest.

 

[Ninjakid]

I guess it's a bit harder to understand if you don't really live like that. But it wasn't always like that here.

Since I turned 18 I always had poker as kind of a side income for cofee, some clothes and now gas when I have my driver's license and a car. That is also pretty much all the money I spend, since I've never really had the urge to spend huge amounts of money. I tried moving up in stakes once, but since it hasn't worked out I jut stickd to the current ones.

I didn't quit college for poker. I quit because I'm gonna transfer to another one. I started this one, because I also finished High school in engineering. I knew engineering didn't really interest me, but I decided to give it one more try.

But now, since that didn't work out and I didn't find a job I decided to try and progress in poker.
My goal was always to open up my own coffeshop / bar and if it suceeded and showed some profit I can always open more on different locations.
I don't know how much an idea like that is welcome here, since everyone is talking about making millions and retiring before turning 30. Mine was kind of more modest.

The modesty is fine. Actually not everyone here plans the whole millions and retire by 30 thing; and fewer will actually accomplish it.

With both these ventures (poker and coffeeshop) you're going to need a lot of capital.
My beef with your poker idea is that it may work well for making small amounts of money, but do you really wanna risk losing thousands of dollars in it?
That said, you seem like you're at least a reasonably good poker player, but it's still a risk, nonetheless. A bad hand could cause you to lose most of your capital, and you could regret the decision instantly.

 

[WorldImperator]

Poker is a game of mathematics, statistics, chances, knowledge and strategy. This is all what matters in the long run.

You can become a millionaire in poker without investing a single dollar from your savings.

Sorry it's to late for me to read all other topic covered by the OP.
BUT, wise poker player never brings on the table more than 3% of his bankroll.

However, if you are playing one-two hours daily, so, just save this money and put it in your education if you don't have any idea what business to open.

 

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[Jojo]

The modesty is fine. Actually not everyone here plans the whole millions and retire by 30 thing; and fewer will actually accomplish it.

With both these ventures (poker and coffeeshop) you're going to need a lot of capital.
My beef with your poker idea is that it may work well for making small amounts of money, but do you really wanna risk losing thousands of dollars in it?
That said, you seem like you're at least a reasonably good poker player, but it's still a risk, nonetheless. A bad hand could cause you to lose most of your capital, and you could regret the decision instantly.

It's not really played that way. You need to have bankroll managment. I'm playing where the blinds 0.05/0.1 and you come in with 10$. So that is the most you can lose in a hand. To play games where you enter with 10$ you need to have 20 buy ins for that game, so 200$. I have about 1.1k, so I'm very well stacked for my games. I also have a stop loss of 30$ so if I lose that I stop for that day

 

[Ninjakid]

Poker is a game of mathematics, statistics, chances, knowledge and strategy. This is all what matters in the long run.

You can become a millionaire in poker without investing a single dollar from your savings.

Sorry it's to late for me to read all other topic covered by the OP.
BUT, wise poker player never brings on the table more than 3% of his bankroll.

However, if you are playing one-two hours daily, so, just save this money and put it in your education if you don't have any idea what business to open.

Excuse my ignorance. I don't know a lot about poker, but that's actually good to know.

 

[WorldImperator]

Excuse my ignorance. I don't know a lot about poker, but that's actually good to know.

No problem, I was playing and educating myself in the biggest worldwide poker-education platform for three years.

If someone is not involved, than, poker seems like a roulette, while, in fact, it is not.
Of course, there are miraculous winners and losers, but that's rather minority, as everywhere.

 

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[AgainstAllOdds]

About getting a job I did not mean that it's hard to work, but it's hard to find a job. I don't know where you're from, but as I hear some people say that you can always work at Target or somewhere and get that 200$ a week. Well, we don't really have it like that.

I have family in Poland. Your English is good. If I was you, I'd figure out a way to get to London and find a job as a waiter, dishwasher, whatever... It's not a glorious profession - but working there for 8 months (until the next school year starts), will get you more than enough cash to grow your poker income.

Trust me: I have a huge family. The cousins that were super educated and stayed in Poland - they live in tiny apartments in depressing Polish cities. The ones that were more open to risk and flew out to London - they're now back in Poland living in five bedroom houses that would sell for $600k+ in the U.S. It'll be hard, but the question is: are you willing to make the sacrifices necessary to change your life?

If so, follow these steps:
1. Go to https://www.couchsurfing.com/, find someone that will house you for free (two places, 1 for week 1, 1 for week 2)
2. Buy a cheap ticket on RyanAir, fly out to London
3. Go around handing out your resume to every restaurant in a nice part of town
4. Get a job.
5. Get your own place (with roommates to keep costs low)
6. Work that job for 8 months.
7. Come home with capital to invest.

 

[Ninjakid]

No problem, I was playing and educating myself in the biggest worldwide poker-education platform for three years.

If someone is not involved, than, poker seems like a roulette, while, in fact, it is not.
Of course, there are miraculous winners and losers, but that's rather minority, as everywhere.

My curiosity is peaked now. How do dudes become millionaires in poker without a single dollar from their savings?

 

[WorldImperator]

My curiosity is peaked now. How do dudes become millionaires in poker without a single dollar from their savings?

On the most poker rooms, if you are registering yourself for the first time, you get 50$ for free. Of course, for these money become yours, you have to play certain amount of games. If you do not have any education, you will lose it, hence they are giving it constantly for the newcomers.

However, if you are the person who want to be a millionaire, you are rather very systematic and not doing stupid things (well, or you do it on purpose for very little money and effort to check why they are telling you not to do it).
So, if you are actively learning, you can easily start earning from this a lot.

We had a several people like these.

Of course, sometimes people are going stupid and playing after two beers and losing everything, but I was talking about the reasonable mind who wants to earn.

It is quite possible, and, what it demands most, are your hard working hours. For the first year, the good proportion is split your poker time half for playing and half for learning. For the first 3 months, even like 80/20 for learning/playing, but having it more or less equal is good.

 

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[Jojo]

I have family in Poland. Your English is good. If I was you, I'd figure out a way to get to London and find a job as a waiter, dishwasher, whatever... It's not a glorious profession - but working there for 8 months (until the next school year starts), will get you more than enough cash to grow your poker income.

Trust me: I have a huge family. The cousins that were super educated and stayed in Poland - they live in tiny apartments in depressing Polish cities. The ones that were more open to risk and flew out to London - they're now back in Poland living in five bedroom houses that would sell for $600k+ in the U.S. It'll be hard, but the question is: are you willing to make the sacrifices necessary to change your life?

If so, follow these steps:
1. Go to https://www.couchsurfing.com/, find someone that will house you for free (two places, 1 for week 1, 1 for week 2)
2. Buy a cheap ticket on RyanAir, fly out to London
3. Go around handing out your resume to every restaurant in a nice part of town
4. Get a job.
5. Get your own place (with roommates to keep costs low)
6. Work that job for 8 months.
7. Come home with capital to invest.

Wow, thank you soo much. Yes, I've been thinking about that and will definetely look into it. I've also started learning German, because I'm less than 2 hours from Austria, but going to London to find a job is would defintely be a great success.

I knew people did it and worked there, but hearing it at first hand is very nice.

Thanks again

 

[jon.a]

My curiosity is peaked now. How do dudes become millionaires in poker without a single dollar from their savings?

James Bond was backed by the CIA.

 

[WorldImperator]

What would be your goal in going to London?
What you will do in a one or 5 years time?

I am living in Poland, earning good, living happy, there is no point to go abroad to being a manual dishwasher. That thing was mostly done by a people who just are claiming that everything here is wrong and that government is not giving you the job, hence being frustrated and thinking that everywhere is better. In fact it's not the environment, it's just them, who do not have any plans for themselves and broader view on self career and future life.
Money is not everything, it's just an added value of your choices.

Before you do it, ask yourself, and tell us, who and where do you want to be in a five years time from now? How do you want to live, what are the values most important for you? Going abroad is not a solution, because when you will be back, you will be at the exact same position as today, but just having a bit more money than you have today.

 

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[Jojo]

What would be your goal in going to London?
What you will do in a one or 5 years time?

I am living in Poland, earning good, living happy, there is no point to go abroad to being a manual dishwasher. That thing was mostly done by a people who just are claiming that everything here is wrong and that government is not giving you the job, hence being frustrated and thinking that everywhere is better. In fact it's not the environment, it's just them, who do not have any plans for themselves and broader view on self career and future life.
Money is not everything, it's just an added value of your choices.

Before you do it, ask yourself, and tell us, who and where do you want to be in a five years time from now? How do you want to live, what are the values most important for you? Going abroad is not a solution, because when you will be back, you will be at the exact same position as today, but just having a bit more money than you have today.

I will finish college. That is for sure, but if I fail any of the subjects next year I will have to finance my college education myself, which is about 3k€ a year. So going abroad to make some money would definetely be a good idea. I am learning German, because getting a job in our neighbour country is easier and better payed.

I don't know much about Poland, but in Slovenia it's pretty much a priority for all the students to consider going abroad. And if any Slovenian tells you any different..well, trust me, he wont.
There is just no upside to staying here. Prices of everyday products are going up, wages are decreasing with taxes increasing. Many don't know if they will keep their job.

Where I want be in 5 years? Well I wish I could live an independent life on my own. It doesn't have to be high class, although I wouldn't refuse a life like that.

Well besides money when going to London, I will also return with some experience. I doubt something like this will do me more harm than good in the future