VR will probably flop

[Fathazard]

I read today that Google is developing their own VR headset too. I guess the 5 million units sold of their weird Cardboard thing was encouraging (Pic is of the Cardboard version requiring a smartphone, not the new independent version)

EDIT: link to the article http://venturebeat.com/2016/01/27/google-says-5-million-cardboard-vr-headsets-have-shipped-so-far/

 

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[Longinus]

http://www.teslasuit.com.

And this:

http://www.virtuix.com/

Obese gamers will soon be history.

 

[David Young]

my two-penneth worth- VR will undoubtedly have a massive future, not least because the manufacturers will need a new shinny toy to sell when the next gen TV market is saturated and it has obvious value in medicine, engineering an entertainment. However, I believe/hope that we will see a change in how we interactive with technology. At the moment there are some markets where we are slaves to the technology and it dehumanising us- making us less social then more. I believe, maybe hope, that future technology will enable us to enjoy actual reality, the real world, more. id certainly rather sit on a beach than strap a screen to my face and look at a fake beach!!

 

[Mineralogic]

Here's another crazy idea, mind you, I have no idea how VR works or what it is exactly nor do I care. But if it's what I think it is, imagine one day a group of musicians being able to practice with anyone in the world while staying in their own home. And even their instruments could be virtual.

"I'll take the Neil Peart drum kit please."

And if so, they could then also book gigs and perform in more than one place at the same time. A solid group could book multiple places simultaneously for one nights performance all over the world and have one heck of a payday seeing that nobody makes enough off of physically playing just one place. I would think this would have positive effects on stage fright too and I'd also think celebrities would welcome sitting in at times seeing they wouldn't have to actually meet anyone. Heck bringing a celeb in would probably sell out bars.

Bar/venue owners would love this because it would be more of a crowd fund payment that they would contribute to and then perhaps they could even make a copy of the event to play on other nights.

I can go on and on with this stuff. I think it's an interesting idea

it will just be an extension of what is available today via the internet, tele-conferencing/live streaming, etc..except can be done in VR or holographically. Again, just tools when used right at the right time...insanely bad when abused such as losers sitting in their basement in undies with porn headsets wasting their SOUL and asking for universal basic income! LOL

 

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[Mineralogic]

100% disagree.

VR's the future.

There's hundreds of geniuses right now in Silicon Valley and Shenzhen China creating the future of VR.

Is VR good as of now? No. But were video games good in the 80's? Same answer.

To put things into perspective, here's a product that will hit the market soon: http://www.teslasuit.com. That product is just step 1 of the hundreds to come.

I wish you guys could step back a minute from the "it's COOOOL...Whoa, see even TESLA approved, etc" and realize that is all marketing hype, etc.

Why do I need a suit to feel something? I feel right now in the MEAT Suit I live in daily

 

[ilrein]

@topherea

I appreciate the kind words. Entrepreneurship, exposure to MJ's line of thinking, has been one of the principal driving forces behind my decisions.

I suggested that piece of literature for fun, it's a fictional book where VR has become so realistic that regular people no longer want to spend time in "real" reality. The appeal is the digital, our ability to imagine instantly and create before us, VR gives humans a sense of godlike power -- to shape the world as we please. We don't care that it isn't the real world. The human body cannot distinguish between the real and the imagined -- why else would we feel terrified watching horror movies?

Is your desire to engage in creative brainstorming for business applications of VR?

There truly are infinite applications of the technology. You can use VR to simulate shopping experiences (such as trying on clothes from your bedroom). VR can be used to visualize architecture and interior design. It can be used for training and simulation (such as flight). Interior decorators can show clients what their homes might look like before committing to a colour, or piece of furniture. Barbershops could show clients different hair style options. Hypnotists can create guided meditation experiences, transforming your room into a natural retreat, serenading you with sounds and visuals. One fun consumer product could be a smart box that releases scents, or incense. You can transform the VR experience to include the olfactory sense, deepening the hypnotic state.

But all this is dependent on VR headsets being a commonplace consumer product. That might not happen for another 4-5 years. The automobile was invented in Germany in the 1800s, but it wasn't until Henry Ford was able to mass produce the car that personal transportation became a new standard of the consumer lifestyle. We have the tech now, the question is when will mass adoption happen?

 

[AgainstAllOdds]

Why do I need a suit to feel something? I feel right now in the MEAT Suit I live in daily

Why do you need Madden NFL 16 to simulate playing the Super Bowl?
Why do you need Call of Duty to simulate war?
Why do you need porn to simulate sex with a pornstar?
Why do you need documentaries to simulate meeting people in person?

It's not that's it's cool. It is. But what it is more so is the most cost effective and efficient way of simulating experiences.

 

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[Mineralogic]

Why do you need Madden NFL 16 to simulate playing the Super Bowl?
Why do you need Call of Duty to simulate war?
Why do you need porn to simulate sex with a pornstar?
Why do you need documentaries to simulate meeting people in person?

It's not that's it's cool. It is. But what it is more so is the most cost effective and efficient way of simulating experiences.

dude, your questions fall flat on me. Played video games from 30 mins in last 15 years. My point is why don't you PLAY football, why don't you get a gun and learn to SHOOT, why don't you have REAL SEX with a loved one? Why don't you make your own documentary or live a real life? See the difference?
You are falling for the hype a bit and not realizing every single soul alive today and actually DO the THING vs Doing the Synthetic thing.

Of course it will have its applications....it's really not something we should encourage, millions of people with google cardboard boxes strapped to their faces. Its pathethically UNCOOL like Google Glass was

 

[splok]

dude, your questions fall flat on me. Played video games from 30 mins in last 15 years. My point is why don't you PLAY football, why don't you get a gun and learn to SHOOT, why don't you have REAL SEX with a loved one? Why don't you make your own documentary or live a real life? See the difference?

Erm, I guess you don't consume media at all? No video, music, or text right? I mean, why bother when you can just make your own?

 

[Mineralogic]

@topherea

I appreciate the kind words. Entrepreneurship, exposure to MJ's line of thinking, has been one of the principal driving forces behind my decisions.

I suggested that piece of literature for fun, it's a fictional book where VR has become so realistic that regular people no longer want to spend time in "real" reality. The appeal is the digital, our ability to imagine instantly and create before us, VR gives humans a sense of godlike power -- to shape the world as we please. We don't care that it isn't the real world. The human body cannot distinguish between the real and the imagined -- why else would we feel terrified watching horror movies?

Is your desire to engage in creative brainstorming for business applications of VR?

There truly are infinite applications of the technology. You can use VR to simulate shopping experiences (such as trying on clothes from your bedroom). VR can be used to visualize architecture and interior design. It can be used for training and simulation (such as flight). Interior decorators can show clients what their homes might look like before committing to a colour, or piece of furniture. Barbershops could show clients different hair style options. Hypnotists can create guided meditation experiences, transforming your room into a natural retreat, serenading you with sounds and visuals. One fun consumer product could be a smart box that releases scents, or incense. You can transform the VR experience to include the olfactory sense, deepening the hypnotic state.

But all this is dependent on VR headsets being a commonplace consumer product. That might not happen for another 4-5 years. The automobile was invented in Germany in the 1800s, but it wasn't until Henry Ford was able to mass produce the car that personal transportation became a new standard of the consumer lifestyle. We have the tech now, the question is when will mass adoption happen?

all of this is being done right now in Online Videos, Thru the Web VR videos( like in real estate), even Light and Sound Machines give you meditative states or as people mentioned the floating tanks. I see it as a tool to stimulate people to be more brainwashed sheep in the end. It will have business and medical applications for sure. The people getting excited over this need to breathe and step back though...every single thing being hyped can be done online right now (without full 3D) or in real life ( you are living your own personal VR right now as a soul looking thru 2 eyes). Seems really lame to me to continue to hype more layers of synthetic reality on top of others

Erm, I guess you don't consume media at all? No video, music, or text right? I mean, why bother when you can just make your own?

I do consume in selected areas, I don't need Virtual Reality immersion to enjoy music or tv "programming". They at the top will continue to pump VR because of the social engineering/programming aspects... Let's be honest. Yes, i write my own music as well.

 

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[splok]

I do consume in selected areas, I don't need Virtual Reality immersion to enjoy music or tv "programming".

So it's ok to consume content from speakers and televisions but not from a VR device? Sorry, but I totally don't follow your logic here. Are you still using a giant CRT television/monitor and a rotary telephone too, just because they're "good enough"? I mean, we don't really need the immersion of a 60" HD screen with surround sound do we?

VR isn't magic. It's just an evolution of media delivery... (A smartphone would probably seem more magic to someone from 1900 than current-gen VR would.) And barring some sort of apocalyptic crisis, it's inevitable. The only thing we're really arguing is the timeline.

 

[AgainstAllOdds]

dude, your questions fall flat on me. Played video games from 30 mins in last 15 years. My point is why don't you PLAY football, why don't you get a gun and learn to SHOOT, why don't you have REAL SEX with a loved one? Why don't you make your own documentary or live a real life? See the difference?
You are falling for the hype a bit and not realizing every single soul alive today and actually DO the THING vs Doing the Synthetic thing.

Of course it will have its applications....it's really not something we should encourage, millions of people with google cardboard boxes strapped to their faces. Its pathethically UNCOOL like Google Glass was

We're not talking about what's cool and uncool.

We're also not talking about what we should and should not be doing.

We're talking about Virtual Reality, and if it will be a F*cking thing. And the answer is that it will be. The fact that you're on a wealth creation forum, and can't disconnect your own biases from the market is F*cking concerning.

But go back to living in your world where you have REAL interactions. While you're at it, stop writing on thefastlaneforum. Find a group of entrepreneurs offline. Talk to them in person. Talking to them online is really UNCOOL. See the difference?

 

[Mineralogic]

So it's ok to consume content from speakers and televisions but not from a VR device? Sorry, but I totally don't follow your logic here. Are you still using a giant CRT television/monitor and a rotary telephone too, just because they're "good enough"? I mean, we don't really need the immersion of a 60" HD screen with surround sound do we?

VR isn't magic. It's just an evolution of media delivery... (A smartphone would probably seem more magic to someone from 1900 than current-gen VR would.) And barring some sort of apocalyptic crisis, it's inevitable. The only thing we're really arguing is the timeline.

because I don't want to be suited up and my head trapped inside a VR box that makes me illogical?

As I said 10 times, we are already in a VR/Holographic Program. Putting us deeper and deeper in "just because" is not something I support completely

if you think people staring at their iphones are bad...imagine doing it in a box. F that.

 

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[Mineralogic]

We're not talking about what's cool and uncool.

We're also not talking about what we should and should not be doing.

We're talking about Virtual Reality, and if it will be a F*cking thing. And the answer is that it will be. The fact that you're on a wealth creation forum, and can't disconnect your own biases from the market is F*cking concerning.

But go back to living in your world where you have REAL interactions. While you're at it, stop writing on thefastlaneforum. Find a group of entrepreneurs offline. Talk to them in person. Talking to them online is really UNCOOL. See the difference?

HELLO: my head is not LOCKED INTO A VR BOX, being programmed by a computer and deprived of Most to ALL Sensory input from the real world. Big difference. I see people here pumping a whole new escape world on a new level of immersion. I can see how its a tool but I think many will try and recreate a level of immersion deeply negative for the human race. That is all.

I wonder how many people here posting have investment in this realm so cannot see that the trends are actually to the other direction ?

Trends: more organic life and health conscious life, organic food of course, unplugging, shutting down devices due to LED/melatonin issues, disconnection issues from too much electronic immersion, young kids even adults having big ADHD/focus issues etc.

It goes on and on. The social engineers and people personally in a vr business are going to attack my viewpoint all day because they don't care. You are welcome to as well. Google Glass was rejected by people and one reason is they agree with what I'm saying here. Just because we can do something doesn't mean we should. Increases in technological progress without the CORRESPONDING Morality/Spirituality are just that.

 

[Fathazard]

HELLO: my head is not LOCKED INTO A VR BOX, being programmed by a computer and deprived of Most to ALL Sensory input from the real world. Big difference. I see people here pumping a whole new escape world on a new level of immersion. I can see how its a tool but I think many will try and recreate a level of immersion deeply negative for the human race. That is all.

I wonder how many people here posting have investment in this realm so cannot see that the trends are actually to the other direction ?

Trends: more organic life and health conscious life, organic food of course, unplugging, shutting down devices due to LED/melatonin issues, disconnection issues from too much electronic immersion, young kids even adults having big ADHD/focus issues etc.

It goes on and on. The social engineers and people personally in a vr business are going to attack my viewpoint all day because they don't care. You are welcome to as well. Google Glass was rejected by people and one reason is they agree with what I'm saying here. Just because we can do something doesn't mean we should. Increases in technological progress without the CORRESPONDING Morality/Spirituality are just that.

I think you're confused.

There is a trend for a more organic, and healthy life - especially here in Sweden.

• Ecological products sell more than ever
• people cook more food from raw ingredients,
• buy only local produce, etc.
• There's even a certain hostility growing towards computers and the all the time we spend on them (that you certainly display despite having very little experience in the field, if I understand correctly).
• My sister won't allow her young sons to use computers at all.

...BUT there's another big trend towards the digitalization of all things.

• eSports are growing quickly (I know because I'm a fan)
• Communication keeps improving (Video calls are indispensable for me when away from my family for a long time. VR calls should be just around the corner, and even more immersive.)
• Products have been digitally tracked for years. (When do they sell, inventory levels etc) but now Customers are tracked too to some degree (Using their cell phones. In large shopping malls for example, you can triangulate their position and get data on which stores they visited in what order, what shelf they stopped at and for how long, and so on).

It's not like human culture is only moving in one direction, and that two mainstream movements seemingly contradict each other is not uncommon. I'm not sure which is bigger, and neither shows signs of stopping any time soon.

Where did your fear of technology come from? You speak of escapism, things we 'ought' not to do.

You also speak of 'recreating' something 'deeply negative'. What are you referring to?

 

[Leo Hendrix]

http://venturebeat.com/2016/02/29/htc-sold-15000-800-vive-virtual-reality-headsets-in-10-minutes/

$12,000,000 in 10 minutes.

 

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[mrarcher]

I think it will either be a massive hit or an absolute miss but no inbetween. This really seems like an everything or nothing deal. If anyone is interested I have started a forum for developers to make it easier for people to learn and discuss cross platforms. I wont post link here as I don't want to spam but PM me if you would like.

 

[safff]

can't help but think that VR will be simply huge for gaming, films and general escapism. not necesarily for the average consumer but for the 'enthusiast' (of which there are many) I can see it exploding.

The aim for gaming and films to be more immersive is nothing new, but until now technology hasn't quite allowed it to be seemless enough.

Just like the selfie. The concept has existed for decades, it's just a matter of timing, branding and execution for it to catch on.

 

[Andy Black]

Years ago I did my first "laser quest" (running around indoors in the dark bumping into things and trying to shoot people with crappy lasers).

I always wondered when they'd bring out goggles that would superimpose phantom baddies into the actual physical environment we were running around in. Maybe even have the walls, floors, and obstacles made to appear different in the goggles, but physically there for us to bump into.

Kinda VR HUD or something...

 

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[hughjasle]

Kinda VR HUD or something...

That would be the AG (augmented reality) - that is what I'm waiting for. Tech is already there, just needs built out.

 

[splok]

not exactly "virtual", but amazing nonetheless (competition drone + headset)