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Mineralogic

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I am finding it relatively hard to find a major business vehicle that is based on libertarian type ideals, is in harmony with natural law/rights, is not based on exploitation of human capital, doesn't prey on fear/greed continuously, and doesn't rely on cheap marketing/advertising programming or perpetual planned obselecense. Oh and a big one, not dependent on federal/state tax credits or subsidies such as corporate welfare.

I find ALOT of business that are based on such evils as a daily and practical point of existence. People say to get rich, take advantage of the government, and legal tax breaks, etc. Some people say focus on creating value /execution and that is the right path in the end. Maybe its obviously all of these things needed in the recipe. MJ obviously got everything right in the book and is the type of GOOD entrepreneur many of us strive to be. He has also given back lots of free good information and value.

Its obvious many businesses don't anymore but dam they are great at executing and keeping the money coming in. There are illegal things going on daily in this country that give certain companies BEYOND an unfair advantage of a small entrepreneur. Many businesses or TRENDS are SUPPORTED by the military industrial corporate legal complex. Real fair market huh? Many brands are all owned by the same players in the end. They are focused on the next bill to pass to get them more billions. There is little focus on the customer I'm sorry when you are rearranging brand logos and calling that "EVOLUTION of a business or INNOVATION", I laugh. Also, I find it sad that we have created such a economic system where entrepreneurs are taught to be government but sniffers looking for a handout or actively looking for social/corporate welfare. Maybe I'm wrong. I'd like to believe there are others who get what I'm' saying. I do think job creators should have incentive to keep doing so. SOME industries are created or encouraged by the government overnite and there is no thought to whether the path is GOOD for people in the end. (We now have DRONE stores opening up where I am so people can spy on each other from the sky.)

Even more crazy is many of us people want real change, and evolution of business and society but the way the economic system is , we have been supporting/creating the things we hate many times. We are all invested in our own destruction basically. We have helped created the idiocracy including outsourcing are kids to government mind control. We believe wealth is on digital screens. That is why I think the stock market is so key to what has been pulled off here on the middle class. Basically we are all invested in multi billions companies from the individual IRA to the College Foundation to the Government Pension. Why would anyone take down Monsanto in such a scenario when 50 billion could be wiped out? They much rather make sure their digital numbers keep increasing in their digital rat race?

Moreover, not in a LONG TIME have I heard people say " Maybe we should pass this bill or do this action because it is the right thing"

Instead, its "will it create or hurt jobs?" "Will it take money away from me?" Even broke people who picture themselves as wealthy will ask these question as if they are in the same class as a Wall St Bankster or something. LOL

Some Empowering Questions I want to ponder:

How to we create organizations or businesses to liberate or empower the individual, and thus the society? For brief moments government agencies and private charities and certain technological industries have done that.And it IS great when it happens. But to what end?

Can we measure such things beyond just short term thinking of Money/AKA Fed notes?

Can we build things of true VALUE even when they will destroy old industries and our own pockets in the short/mid term?

Can we continue to use technology in an empowering way to reduce and eliminate suffering when we have blatant forces blocking this at every turn ( IE medical industrial complex)?

Can we all stop for a second and realize that if a system produces nominal wealth but no corresponding spiritual wealth, than that is a major problem? as above , so below.

Is it a sign of being the greatest country in the world when your at the bottom of most statistical lists between nations and all your young kids/adults are walking down the street with eyes on an iPhone monolith, and not their dreams?

Are we really creating more liberty, and individual evolution when this is the outcome? Can we in such a system?
 
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You sound like a hipster.

At the end of the day, nobody is forced to buy anything from you. If they do buy, it's because they value your product or service more than the money that they are trading for it. Both parties win. That's capitalism.

It doesn't sound like business is for you. Maybe start an organic farm or something.
 
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1) Quit the melodrama, no new models are needed.
2) Create new shit.
 

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You sound like a hipster.

At the end of the day, nobody is forced to buy anything from you. If they do buy, it's because they value your product or service more than the money that they are trading for it. Both parties win. That's capitalism.

It doesn't sound like business is for you. Maybe start an organic farm or something.

Hipster? No.

Awake, YES. Also awake to the FAKE version of capitalism or free enterprise people are using or beholden to. We are forced to do many things each day as a matter of law/regulation or culture pressure. to what END if there is NO cultural evolution and moral evolution?

BUSINESS= BUSYNESS? We used to have missions in this country besides MONO-EYE.

In a real free market/capitalism with checks & balances and natural law prevailing, a MONSANTO would not be in business. In a fake rigged market and one with Wall St and Politicians supporting valuations of stocks AND BONDS, a bad company like Monsanto can prosper and attract money and employees infinitely even though they are hurting people. Same as big pharma.


I understand about creating value and lots of people do it. I can make a case big pharma and monsanto of the world actually deliver immense BAD in the end...straight up. Yet, they are worth 100s of billions including recurring revenue/income, and cash flow

As far as tech sector...seeing the same thing. Bunch of frauds who did business with the NSA and continue to roll out apps and tech to limit individual empowerment in the end. Now its the holographic headset stuff being heavily promoted along with robots.

What I see for much of my life is loads of hacked/government supported market/sector where an agenda is placed before entrepreneurs. The entrepreneurs are more than happy to feed like hogs and play the network or bankster game to enrich themselves knowing they are protected by government INSIDERS as well. I know I am generalizing here.

However, Rarely are these new intitiaves/programs, or laissez fair pursuits promoted about liberating men/women/children, getting them more INDEPENDENT of the multiple collectivist systems. Often they are about disempowering in the end. Often they use mind control. Often they involve fear based rules and systems. All the time, using propaganda.

I remember learning in college education business classes how it was no big deal to use planned obsolecense and psychology to sell products to people. I remember the one ethics class forced on us. LOL

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I like what Uber did , it does bring some freedom to people. But when I look at that VALUATION and INSIDERS enriching themselves and abusing the 1099/employee irs tax rules, that also pisses me off a lot. I can see how they are just outsourcing their costs to people under the guise of freedom. Contractors have to cover ALL EXPENSES, ALL. If I look at all these ridiculous valuation companies out there, they usually have a bankster cabal buddy involved and are exploiting labor somewhere, somehow. Just look at all the recent charges of AMAZON. I know you guys have seen the games they play there..setting bars high so you can then pull the stock options and set up a firing path. OLD tricks. Same result. Disempowering people.

I will say, Bitcoin was one of the only things I've seen that "could" potentially do some of the things I mention in a positive way, but even that has CIA background and fully trackable or traceable. LOL!
 
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Why are you so angry?

You also still sound like a hipster. Or just crazy.

Who cares what other people do. That's their lives and their problems. Lead by example.

It's been too long sine I've had to click ignore, so thank you for that :)
 
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In a real free market/capitalism with checks & balances and natural law prevailing, a MONSANTO would not be in business.

A deep look into the agriculture business (not to mention pharma) and I totally understand what you are saying. Problem is this conversation has political overtones since one can argue the government/politicians are our enemy, friends, or somewhere in between.
 

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1) Quit the melodrama, no new models are needed.
2) Create new shit.
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Why are you so angry?

You also still sound like a hipster. Or just crazy.

Who cares what other people do. That's their lives and their problems. Lead by example.

It's been too long sine I've had to click ignore, so thank you for that :)


Not angry at all. I'm calling out the truth. Crazy is that you don't get this stuff. That is what is crazy.

If you are going to be part of a system at least be aware of what it encourages and generates. You said "who cares what other people do". I thought there were inventors and business entrepreneurs here? Its our job to care about PEOPLE, PRODUCT, PROMOTION, MONEY.. THE GAME...AND..the REALITY. If you don't like the post you could have just moved on. Instead you attacked because obviously I stung you somewhere.

I'm sure there are loads of people here who DID NOT pursue a business because of some government regulation or FALSE barrier put up by big business/politicians/corporate elite lobbying


You want to see something really scary and crazy? The fact that your patents can be hijacked or stalled. You think the NSA is backdoored in here and sharing trade secrets as well LOL
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/the-u-s-government-has-a-secret-system-for-104249688314.html
 

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A deep look into the agriculture business (not to mention pharma) and I totally understand what you are saying. Problem is this conversation has political overtones since one can argue the government/politicians are our enemy, friends, or somewhere in between.

They are on all sides of the "trade" it seems so its perception at times. The beauty or evil of money and our monetary based system is someone including those with authority to actually change things...can completely change their opinion on something depending on whether they are getting paid for it or invested in said system/business. Ala at one point greenspan pimped gold. but not as fed chair.
 
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Your talking to someone who knows all about logical fallacies and also how you are using several right now. You are also way way way behind the times to use such memes

I shouldnt have to posts this on a board of educated people

Besides snowden there is tice and binney, THE GUY WHO CREATED THE NSA SPY PROGRAM THIN THREAD. So first hand witnesses to tech and nsa fraud,there is much much more. How about the patent link above and all the federal lawsuits right now on spying.

Verified lists like this that prove truth deniers are the real conspiracy theorists

Imagine what else will be proven in time

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...theories-that-actually-turned-out-to-be-true/
 

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Dude...you're way overthinking. You need to chill out and stop watching Documentaries, or whatever information sources you have been consuming. It's unproductive. They are controlling your mind!!! :0
 
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Aristotle said the mark of true intellect is to be able to entertain a thought and then dismiss it without taking it as reality.

So lets entertain for a moment what you say is true, lets say that the NSA and major corps did really do all the things you say. The real question is what does it matter? IS there anything that you can do about it right now? can you demand that the NSA reveal everything they've ever done? my guess would be no, even if you did you think people would listen, most likely not.

I'm calling out the truth. Crazy is that you don't get this stuff. That is what is crazy.
This right here... this makes you sound crazy. A insane person would never admit their crazy because in their mind they are not the crazy ones they are the ONLY sane ones.

Peace and happiness man,
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Aristotle said the mark of true intellect is to be able to entertain a thought and then dismiss it without taking it as reality.

So lets entertain for a moment what you say is true, lets say that the NSA and major corps did really do all the things you say. The real question is what does it matter? IS there anything that you can do about it right now? can you demand that the NSA reveal everything they've ever done? my guess would be no, even if you did you think people would listen, most likely not.


This right here... this makes you sound crazy. A insane person would never admit their crazy because in their mind they are not the crazy ones they are the ONLY sane ones.

Peace and happiness man,
Shannon

Shannon, the NSA and the CLOUD are one. Guess what entrepreneurs and business owners have been doing for all these years in a row? They've been giving all their data and sensitive info/deals, etc on the cloud. It doesn't matter if its the NSA or the corporations holding the data its known what is being done with it in the end if needed. Look at that patent post I made. Put 2 and 2 together. No one cares?

2nd point you had. No, the person responded with so many logical fallacies to my points and arguments rather than DEAL with and formulate a real response. That is immature. And its crazy! Most of us are having OK lives...that are getting harder and harder for a reason. What we have out there with destruction of the middle class and 10s of millions not coming back into the job force is Crazy, but even more Crazy is many people still don't bat an eyelash and have accepted the conditioning. Also many of these people are dropping out because the system has crashed their DREAM and wiped out their savings! HELLO.

I'm here to stick a fork in the eye for a few minutes. If all you do is WORSHIP MONEY, or MONO-EYE, and do not think of what is being built by not just your business, but the also SYSTEM you are supporting, then you are unconcious or guilty. Either one is not good :)

thanks for the discussion all
 

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Why not start a company based on your ideology that takes Monsanto (or whomever) down? Channel the passion man.

Lamborghini's only mission in business was to "beat Ferrari" (the monsanto of the car biz at that time).
 

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I am finding it relatively hard to find a major business vehicle that is based on libertarian type ideals, is in harmony with natural law/rights, is not based on exploitation of human capital, doesn't prey on fear/greed continuously, and doesn't rely on cheap marketing/advertising programming or perpetual planned obselecense. Oh and a big one, not dependent on federal/state tax credits or subsidies such as corporate welfare.


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Between an extreme capitalism à la Reagan and extreme socialism à la Trotsky there is a third way . Our way . The people's and business owner's way of doing business, of giving back ...etc. It's possible. And maybe it's the ONLY sustainable way.

I think the answers to your theorical questions are individual, not collective ( therefore political ) .....What do YOU do on an individual level to make sure that you are not turning into a heartless moneychasing machine is the answer imo.
 
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Between an extreme capitalism à la Reagan and extreme socialism à la Trotsky there is a third way . Our way . The people's and business owner's way of doing business, of giving back ...etc. It's possible. And maybe it's the ONLY sustainable way.

I think the answers to your theorical questions are individual, not collective ( therefore political ) .....What do YOU do on an individual level to make sure that you are not turning into a heartless moneychasing machine is the answer imo.

correct. But that's the point, our SOCIETY has turned collectivist for years now. It's not political to say this. It's not political to say people and entrepreneurs need to wake up especially in NYC and Silicon Valley. Also, tons of entreprenuers have a business model based on what the government is encouraging via some tax break vs breaking new ground. How is this a free market or real capitalism? White collar criminals run the biggest corporations around and yet I hear crickets out there by the 10000's of businesses in this country for justice and rule of law.

And as we know big money and big business run the show/game. They aren't going to let go of their BILLIONS in market cap. Monsanto is not going away when they should be worth 0. Pushing vaccines on people, Renewable Energy/Carbon Tax trading Schemes, TPP, the fear based propaganda continues, etc. Even the fact that the System is producing POOOR BROKE people in this country will eventually effect YOU if not already. The big businesses will mainly be fine as they are so big now in 2015 especially with 0% rates propping them up. All of these things will continue to crimp innovation and smaller businesses from making it organically or thru "passion".

With POS companies that don't earn ANY net money being worth 10s of billions....to think the little entrepreneur even has a shot/say in the "Game" is naive. That is why I'm talking about this. We are on the verge of governments and MAJOR BIG BUSINESSES having complete but subtle control via total cloud tracking connectivity of not just you, but you're business, ability to deploy robots to replace many jobs or "order breaker personalities out there, controlling all public and financials markets, etc. Less and less human emotions or care will be involved in the future. The technology now has a subtle death grip over humanity as the technocracy is built up around us.

Every little bit each one of us matters, I just don't see it as making a dent for society. Just look at all the crying merchants regarding recent AMAZON.com changes. yes folks, one business on the public market..ONE, has the ability to cause great pain today.
 
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Some Empowering Questions I want to ponder:

You love to talk and think but it hasn't crossed your mind to DO.

Which tells me you're lazy.
You're hoping someone else not as lazy as you will fix what you perceive as a problem. I'm sure there are other people out there that agree with your thoughts but if all these people want change and nothing has changed it's not a conspiracy it's a lack of action.

So stop typing and start doing for a change.
 

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I've read enough. Although I think @Mineralogic 's suppositions merit discussion, this forum simply isn't the place for it. And saying its not politics is like saying swimming with a wetsuit isn't wet.

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