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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmark848 View Post
    Hi White8,

    I'm really sorry to hear that. You mentioned that your office manager might have snooped on your computer. I don't know if she still has access to your computer but you might be careful that she didn't install a keylogger. People can very vindictive when they get fired and might try to harm you later on even after they have left the building. Hope everything works out in the long run.
    There are keylogger sniffers... you can snif it out

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    It's been several months since my last post and business has been dead slow and I don't see it improving in the next few years as the housing market here is horrible. There was a recent article showing home values for the area have dropped another 10%. I contacted the lender Friday to see if they would accept a short sale either by myself through a private lender or a potential buyer who will buy it basically for nothing. I should hear back in five business days. At this point it's either a short sale or worse.

    I'm tired and don't have much left financially or psychologically. I've also lost much of any hope for the future. This will be the second business to go down the toilet and between businesses I couldn't find a job.

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    White8-

    Do you have family? How is your health?

    There is more to life than business.

    Count your blessings.

    -Russ H.
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    Take a break from worrying about it... It will come to you. Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ H View Post
    White8-

    Do you have family? How is your health?

    There is more to life than business.

    Count your blessings.

    -Russ H.
    No wife, no kids, no girlfriend. My mom lives close by and my dad died seven months before I bought this thing. As far as my health, my blood pressure is now a consistent 160/100. I'm no longer actively flying as my flight surgeon would give me a lot of grief over that blood pressure. It might also provide me with an out...

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    Quote Originally Posted by White8 View Post
    No wife, no kids, no girlfriend. My mom lives close by and my dad died seven months before I bought this thing. As far as my health, my blood pressure is now a consistent 160/100. I'm no longer actively flying as my flight surgeon would give me a lot of grief over that blood pressure. It might also provide me with an out...
    Get on BP meds, dude.

    I fought it for years. Lost weight, worked out, ate great-- and STILL had high BP. I found out that in some families, ALL of the men get higher BP when they hit 40-- ALL of them. Completely independent of their body fat, level of exercise, etc. For some families, it's genetic/cultural.

    BTW, those are the families where the men died of strokes in their 40s/50s/60s, back in the 20th Century.

    My college roomie's dad was 39 when he died. His grandfather, same thing. Both men were skinny (low body fat), and played soccer in leagues, as well as coaching several games each week. They also ate homemade food every night-- yeah, it had fat-- but it had nowhere near the sodium, fat, or transfat that is in fast food or was in fast food.

    When I roomed w/him (he was 18/19), he honestly thought his life was half over-- he didn't plan on living past 40, since none of the men in his family did.

    He turns 50 this year.

    A few years ago, I went on the meds, and felt better.

    Good BP medication is cheap-- even if you don't have insurance, you can afford it. Great BP meds are even better (if you *do* have insurance)-- and cheap, w/insurance.

    Do it.

    I regret not getting it sooner (I was all ego about never taking meds-- stupidity mon, stupidity).

    I still don't take any pain meds at all when I feel pain (no aspirin, no NSAIDs, no nothing)-- that's a personal decision. When I had surgery a few years ago, I took NOTHING after the operation except the antibiotics (ie, no pain meds at all once the anesthesia wore off). My reasoning there is when my body hurts, it's telling me something. So I listen to it.

    But these days, I take meds for things that are changing in my body as I age.

    Had to put the ego away to do that, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White8 View Post
    No wife, no kids, no girlfriend. My mom lives close by and my dad died seven months before I bought this thing. As far as my health, my blood pressure is now a consistent 160/100. I'm no longer actively flying as my flight surgeon would give me a lot of grief over that blood pressure. It might also provide me with an out...
    Is there a possibility of living with mom and rent your house to make the payment?

    Things are tough, no doubt, but things aren't over...

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    Excalibur has a point.

    Perhaps moving back in w/mom is not the best of all worlds (I love my mom, but she's a negative force on my progress, even though she doesn't mean to be).

    But we're making some incredibly tough decisions right now-- things that I *never* would have considered doing, ever, in my life-- all to stay afloat, and see if we can turn things around.

    We've done some major re-org w/our business, and let staff go (shoulda done this sooner). My wife and I are working at a time we thought would be impossible-- when we have our little one (she winds up being w/one of us during this time).

    It's hard, and we're wiped all the time-- but we've looked at the options, and this is our best chance to turn things around.

    Time will tell.

    PM me if you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ H View Post
    Excalibur has a point.

    Perhaps moving back in w/mom is not the best of all worlds (I love my mom, but she's a negative force on my progress, even though she doesn't mean to be).

    But we're making some incredibly tough decisions right now-- things that I *never* would have considered doing, ever, in my life-- all to stay afloat, and see if we can turn things around.

    We've done some major re-org w/our business, and let staff go (shoulda done this sooner). My wife and I are working at a time we thought would be impossible-- when we have our little one (she winds up being w/one of us during this time).

    It's hard, and we're wiped all the time-- but we've looked at the options, and this is our best chance to turn things around.

    Time will tell.

    PM me if you want.

    -Russ H.
    Sorry to hear that you're having a bad time too. Housing isn't a problem as my Dad was a developer and Mom has the last set of apartments he built so I have a free apartment in exchange for helping her with the property.

    I've also really cut staff to the bone but expenses are still fairly high as I'm in rented space and need to have an estimator since I'm an investor (as it turns out a really dumb one) and not an electrician. Fuel alone for the vans the electricians use run around $2500/mo even though things are extremely slow. I'm also in the process of trying to get the business out of the union which would improve the profitability of the work that does exist provided all of the electricians don't bail on me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andviv View Post
    Please tell me you already started looking for a new CPA (I am assuming it was your CPA who failed to perform the right analysis you asked and paid for).
    Sorry to say this but, it does not sound like the CPA's fault. The only thing that may have been his fault is not informing you that a Review Engagement may not serve the needs you are looking for.

    If you read a review report the conclusion states:

    Based on the work performed nothing has come to our attention that would lead us to believe that these financial statements are not in all material respects in accordance with GAAP.

    Now the work performed for a Review per the accounting guidelines are:

    - Inquiry of management (Doesn't really help if management is fraudulent)
    - Analytical procedures - doesn't really help if the fraud has been occurring year after year as nothing would really stand out)

    Now the reason I am saying this is not to pour salt on a wound but as an advisory. If you plan on purchasing an existing business ... GET AN AUDIT DONE! Even if you negotiate in the fees and split the cost it is well worth it.

    An audit consists of more substantive procedures and the opinion states:

    Based on work performed the financial statements present fairly in all material respects.

    Do you notice the difference? Review = negative assurance Audit = positive assurance
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    Rubbish.
    The business worked fine under the previous owner who built it and knew what to do - used his own brain.
    The bookkeeper is the least of your worries - she made the same mistakes under past ownership
    but they still managed to come out ok.

    Unfortunately the previous owner didn't train you or give you a manual to follow with a system
    and maybe didn't mention the 63 hours per week on average he worked IN the business or
    more importantly HOW HE SPENT THAT TIME - WHAT HE WAS DOING/DEALING WITH.

    That's the real problem - you just don't know how to "manage" this business
    and you were foolish enough to buy it.

    - What you really need to do is:

    Offer him some money to come and coach you for a few weeks.
    If he refuses, THEN seek criminal charges for fraud due the fact that the owner himself
    would have had to sign off on the tax forms and is responsible. You THEN get a lawyer
    involved for civil issue on contingency. Do first what makes sense - talk - see if you
    can get the past owner to help - if not - haha - he'll learn.

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    The business my mother works for had a similar thing happen. Her advice: Do not let the same person who handles the checks do the books.

    Sorry this happened to you.

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